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Formula 1 2009

Discussion in 'Sports Talk' started by Formaldehyde, Feb 16, 2009.

  1. Abaddon

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    I like how new teams have immerged this year as race leaders. F1 was stale IMO.
     
  2. Sofista

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    Ferrari just sound like cry babies...
     
  4. Rossiya

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    Red Bull and Renault have also expressed their distaste about the prospect of budget caps. Although, Aston Martin, Lola and Dallara, among others, have expressed the desire to get in to F1 next year.
     
  5. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    It doesn't appear to be the act of "cry babies" or "moaning" about budget caps at all:

    Ferrari seems to favor reducing costs even further. Their gripe appears to be creating two tiers based on expenditures instead of everybody being governed by exactly the same rules, and the way they went about it. Isn't the FIA supposed to operate by consensus after direct involvement from the teams themselves these days?

    It will be interesting to see how this story develops. F1 certainly won't be the same without them and possibly even more teams.
     
  6. Dell19

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    I believe Ferrari want costs to fall gradually like tey have been for the last season. So they are against the current budget cap and their plan would initially see team expenditure remain high. A gradual reduction is more logical as it gives teams more time to restructure however the recession is here already so maybe the teams would be better off accepting an increased budget cap of perhaps £80 million with the cap potentially rising again in the future.

    Apparently the idea of two sets of regulations has been abandoned so it does seem as if there is going to be a budget cap and it just depends on where it is set and how strictly it can be enforced. Sub contracting out work for unreasonably low prices etc.
     
  7. Abaddon

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    I'd enjoy seeing Aston Martin sliding into F1!
     
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    Come on, Mosley has gone insane.
    2 sets of rules. It's like if some of the teams had 1 lap of advantage.
     
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    Regardless of the merits and demerits of such a system, a two tier system isn't that far from what there currently is with KERS; in the last race Massa screwed up Vettel for, what, 50+ laps with a significantly slower ferrari? Just because he could use the KERS to defend on the only long straight part of the course.

    Now imagine that over the entire race with multiple cars...that would be interesting to watch.
     
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    I'm happy jenson button is actually doing well cause if u look at the last year or so he has had some real lows but the thing is Brawn read the rules of what they could have and what they could not have while alot of others just put the KERS in which is much heavier than the diffuser.althoaugh the KERS helps over take but in the long run its ok.
    :):D:cool:
     
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    Awesome to see Ferrari and Räikkönen be competitive again.
     
  12. Krill

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    They still sucked off the line though, even with Kers.
     
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    Weren't they on the harder tyre though?
     
  14. Dell19

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    Yes and its a short straight before the first corner so there may have been little benefit from deploying it. Was funny seeing Button run down the length of the pit straight.
     
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    Yeah, basically Ferrari screwed up on the tire choices, they even spent, what, 20 laps on them at the end of the race? Amazingly they weren't horrendously bad at that part of the race.

    Vettel OTOH...Barrichello must love him for holding up Massa.
     
  16. Abaddon

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    Can someone explain Kers to me, and why only some cars have it?
    Also, explain why Lewis is doing so bad!
     
  17. Dell19

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    Kers is meant to reclaim energy when breaking and then this energy is allowed to be used each lap to give an extra boost to speed but it seems it can only be used effectively once up to a certain speed. There are multiple reasons why most teams are not using it but the two main ones seems to be that its heavy so the balance of the car has to be built around it and its an extra complexity that some teams cannot afford to spend time and money on.
     
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    Monaco: lapse of concentration. Other races, the McLaren isn't performing. Also they didn't explot the loophole with regard to the diffuser.
     
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    It seems that we will have two Formula1 championships next year.
    Good news or bad news?
     
  20. Rossiya

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    At least Force India stand the chance of getting some points if they are one of two teams.
     

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