r_rolo1
King of myself
More like "5...4...3...2...1...1...." 
Happy new year for those on the east side of the world
Happy new year for those on the east side of the world
Fox-50: Hercules Against Deities
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
For those who visited the uncompleted version of this report, my sincere apology --pressed the "Submit" button by mistake instead of "Preview". The report is now completed. Enjoy 
Some Fox Rants (TM) First ...
Our workers are so wrongly deployed. First off, road system to the battle front is of paramount importance. They should be the highest priority. As it is now, there is no roads connecting our units-producing cities to Cala-whatever, while workers are doing useless thing like going to jungle hills, presumably to build mines, and planting sugar which won't be worked on anyway.
Secondly, the workers are all so lonely. For instance, up in Magyar, two workers are building cottages side by side, each costing 4 turns. Isn't it far better to have them build cottages on one single tile to get it up first in 2 turns?
We are in short of workers, so do deploy them more efficiently.
On with the Story ... from the side of the Olympians
Gates of Tartarus is opening once again ...
Whispers of the wind carried the dreaded messages as they stroke fear into the very hearts of the Minions of Olympians.
Gates of Tartarus is opening once again ...
For this meant the Greeks under the banner of that monster half-breed Hercules are going to be imbued with the evil powers of the Titans again.
The minions trembled, confused. They have lost the city of gems, and they must get it back. They must now choose how best to fight back.
Across the river banks, two groups of Greeks were waiting. It seems easier to go for the enemies on the southern hills.
They guessed wrongly. One by one, the minions catapults and horses were slaughtered. Even those Greeks elephants that were not possessed by the Titans emerged triumphant. How could they fight such an enemy?
They fled to the city of Oxhuitza, as new waves of Olympic axes and catapults arrived. The Gods on Mount Olympia had wanted them to either get the gems back, or denied them to the Titans. Unfortunately, they were too late. Hercules had reinforced the stack, and the city of Oxhuitza are now under siege. All seems to be lost against such intractable foes ...
Fortunately, the Gods do not call themselves Gods for nothing. They had halted the attack of the Greeks by their divine power, when the Oxhuitza seems destined to fall with only one badly injured axe left. The Minions rejoiced, as they pull their routing troops into the city, and Oxbuitzians lived to the see yet another sunrise.
Unfortunately, that will be their last.
The entire Mayan region were shocked with the successive lost of two cities to Hercules. They tried to take it back:
But their efforts were in vain, as even more bad news shattered the morale of the Minions:
... Hercules had yet trained another human with great military might that are clean (not evilly imbued with superhuman strength by the Titans):
... But he had also built the Great Library
... and to make matter worst, they were granted the library quest just when they had finished the Great Library and acquired exactly seven cities.
How do you fight an enemy which had Titanic abilities, Herculean strength, and incredible luck?
Which was why the Minions sent down south were slaughtered ... Not only is there no hope of recovering the lost cities, it would seems yet anther invasion of Maya region of the Olympic is eminent
And rumors had it that the next invasion would even feature men with spears that were transformed to pikes by the Titans spirits, rendering their horse archers effectless, and also tales of legendary machines of wars called Trebuchets, devised by Hercules himself.
Yes. The Minions of Maya Olympic were all trembling with fear, dreading the inevitable arrival of the day when the horns of the Greeks troops sounded and the Herculean banner sighted.
And as if to reaffirm their fears, the winds whispered softly yet again the chimes of death ...
Some Interesting Notes
As you must have surely gathered, we got engineering, thanks to the power of Representative Great Library. That's when I stopped, after upgrading all the spears to pikes (I have been trying to build more spears awaiting for this, and that is also why I used up the GG so fast). We had to decide how our tech path should go.
One way is to go alphabet (blue) for spies to start our espionage activities.
Another way (purple) is to get Taoism from the bulbing of the scientist that has a 80% chance of arriving next turn. I forgot what is needed for the scientist to bulb Philosophy, but I think that can be done (unless the opening of Paper path makes that impossible). We would need to get Mediation first though.
A third way is to go for guilds (red). We need the grocers, and it is nice to have the horse archers upgraded to knights.
The forth way (yellow) is ofcourse to go paper and get Education, praying for a Liberalism slingshot in a Deity game
Personally, I would prefer to get Taosim if it is still possible.
Another interesting thing is the Diplomacy screen.
It seems that the purple faction is at an advantage, with HRE being hammered from a Deity to Settler
, and Pacal on the way to join him by our hands. Hatty is the only one that seems to be able to fight off the Purple deities successfully. But that might change when HRE is history (not having even seen the face of Hercules), and assuming Maya is being swallowed by us, leaving Egypt to fight the other three deities alone. We may not want that to happen, since it would mean we lost the counter to the growth of the Gods when Egypt finally succumb to the combined mights of Joao, Lizzy and Toku.
It is really interesting to weigh whether we want to kill off Mayans as soon as possible, or leave him there just to help the green faction put up a fight.
Two other interesting observations regarding Pacal:
- Pacal had yet met his allies
- he had somehow adopted the religion of his adversaries.
Roster
-- GreyFox
>> r_rolo1 == UP!
-- Ralph Jackson
-- berserks01
-- Ozbenno
-- Imhotep
Oh, one thing for rolo to do: I noticed I forgot to remove that "Mayan Archer" sign which had been obsoleted by like 4000 years -- please remove it
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Some Fox Rants (TM) First ...
Our workers are so wrongly deployed. First off, road system to the battle front is of paramount importance. They should be the highest priority. As it is now, there is no roads connecting our units-producing cities to Cala-whatever, while workers are doing useless thing like going to jungle hills, presumably to build mines, and planting sugar which won't be worked on anyway.
Secondly, the workers are all so lonely. For instance, up in Magyar, two workers are building cottages side by side, each costing 4 turns. Isn't it far better to have them build cottages on one single tile to get it up first in 2 turns?
We are in short of workers, so do deploy them more efficiently.
On with the Story ... from the side of the Olympians
Gates of Tartarus is opening once again ...
Whispers of the wind carried the dreaded messages as they stroke fear into the very hearts of the Minions of Olympians.
Gates of Tartarus is opening once again ...
For this meant the Greeks under the banner of that monster half-breed Hercules are going to be imbued with the evil powers of the Titans again.
The minions trembled, confused. They have lost the city of gems, and they must get it back. They must now choose how best to fight back.
Across the river banks, two groups of Greeks were waiting. It seems easier to go for the enemies on the southern hills.
They guessed wrongly. One by one, the minions catapults and horses were slaughtered. Even those Greeks elephants that were not possessed by the Titans emerged triumphant. How could they fight such an enemy?
They fled to the city of Oxhuitza, as new waves of Olympic axes and catapults arrived. The Gods on Mount Olympia had wanted them to either get the gems back, or denied them to the Titans. Unfortunately, they were too late. Hercules had reinforced the stack, and the city of Oxhuitza are now under siege. All seems to be lost against such intractable foes ...
Fortunately, the Gods do not call themselves Gods for nothing. They had halted the attack of the Greeks by their divine power, when the Oxhuitza seems destined to fall with only one badly injured axe left. The Minions rejoiced, as they pull their routing troops into the city, and Oxbuitzians lived to the see yet another sunrise.
Unfortunately, that will be their last.
The entire Mayan region were shocked with the successive lost of two cities to Hercules. They tried to take it back:
But their efforts were in vain, as even more bad news shattered the morale of the Minions:
... Hercules had yet trained another human with great military might that are clean (not evilly imbued with superhuman strength by the Titans):
... But he had also built the Great Library
... and to make matter worst, they were granted the library quest just when they had finished the Great Library and acquired exactly seven cities.
How do you fight an enemy which had Titanic abilities, Herculean strength, and incredible luck?
Which was why the Minions sent down south were slaughtered ... Not only is there no hope of recovering the lost cities, it would seems yet anther invasion of Maya region of the Olympic is eminent
And rumors had it that the next invasion would even feature men with spears that were transformed to pikes by the Titans spirits, rendering their horse archers effectless, and also tales of legendary machines of wars called Trebuchets, devised by Hercules himself.
Yes. The Minions of Maya Olympic were all trembling with fear, dreading the inevitable arrival of the day when the horns of the Greeks troops sounded and the Herculean banner sighted.
And as if to reaffirm their fears, the winds whispered softly yet again the chimes of death ...
Gates of Tartarus is opening once again ...
Some Interesting Notes
As you must have surely gathered, we got engineering, thanks to the power of Representative Great Library. That's when I stopped, after upgrading all the spears to pikes (I have been trying to build more spears awaiting for this, and that is also why I used up the GG so fast). We had to decide how our tech path should go.
One way is to go alphabet (blue) for spies to start our espionage activities.
Another way (purple) is to get Taoism from the bulbing of the scientist that has a 80% chance of arriving next turn. I forgot what is needed for the scientist to bulb Philosophy, but I think that can be done (unless the opening of Paper path makes that impossible). We would need to get Mediation first though.
A third way is to go for guilds (red). We need the grocers, and it is nice to have the horse archers upgraded to knights.
The forth way (yellow) is ofcourse to go paper and get Education, praying for a Liberalism slingshot in a Deity game
Personally, I would prefer to get Taosim if it is still possible.
Another interesting thing is the Diplomacy screen.
It seems that the purple faction is at an advantage, with HRE being hammered from a Deity to Settler
, and Pacal on the way to join him by our hands. Hatty is the only one that seems to be able to fight off the Purple deities successfully. But that might change when HRE is history (not having even seen the face of Hercules), and assuming Maya is being swallowed by us, leaving Egypt to fight the other three deities alone. We may not want that to happen, since it would mean we lost the counter to the growth of the Gods when Egypt finally succumb to the combined mights of Joao, Lizzy and Toku.It is really interesting to weigh whether we want to kill off Mayans as soon as possible, or leave him there just to help the green faction put up a fight.
Two other interesting observations regarding Pacal:
- Pacal had yet met his allies
- he had somehow adopted the religion of his adversaries.
Roster
-- GreyFox
>> r_rolo1 == UP!
-- Ralph Jackson
-- berserks01
-- Ozbenno
-- Imhotep
Oh, one thing for rolo to do: I noticed I forgot to remove that "Mayan Archer" sign which had been obsoleted by like 4000 years -- please remove it
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ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
I'm really enjoying this game. And your other one. BTW, could someone help me - I'm looking for a map editor to help me start a PBEM game. Any takers? The PBEM game in question is this one ...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=303350
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=303350
GreyFox
Make it so ...
This must be the most outrageously blatant thread-jacking I have ever seen ....you could at least have begin with "Nice game. By the way, I am looking <blah> <blah> <blah> ..."
r_rolo1
King of myself
I agree But if you need a map editor, I think I can do it..... Your mod does not introduce new resources, right? 
BTW, got it. The GS will bulb philo if we have med and alpha ( otherwise it will bulb alpha )...... so are we going to bulb philo anyway? How much time will take to get those 2 techs?
But if you need a map editor, I think I can do it..... Your mod does not introduce new resources, right? BTW, got it. The GS will bulb philo if we have med and alpha ( otherwise it will bulb alpha )...... so are we going to bulb philo anyway? How much time will take to get those 2 techs?
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
didn't I say that - I thought I did. Better check that post of mine again.This must be the most outrageously blatant thread-jacking I have ever seen ....you could at least have begin with "Nice game. By the way, I am looking <blah> <blah> <blah> ..."
GreyFox
Make it so ...
As shown in one of my screenie, alphabet is two turns away. And if alpha is only 2, mediation can't be too much
That will be my proposal if Taoism is still not founded by then, as it would be good to be able to have a religion going. The Titans would love to be worshiped again ....
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That will be my proposal if Taoism is still not founded by then, as it would be good to be able to have a religion going. The Titans would love to be worshiped again ....
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ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
Thx rolo - I'll draw up a 'letter to the map maker' and post it in the PBEM thread. We are currently running a dummy round just to iron out the PBEM kinks.I agree
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I anticipated that, ruff, which is why I quoted your post (I usually don't). Too late. Damage is done. 
·Imhotep·
Legendary Builder
And nobody even mentioned my divine egyptian inspiration that got us the Great Library. All I get from Fox is 
, and no love at all. Cruel world.
, and no love at all. Cruel world.
You don't play a GF game for love 
r_rolo1
King of myself
*This is a very small update*
I checked the MM ( Mr Fox, you're getting old....
a spy spec in Magyar? 40% slider? 
), pushed the slider to 100% ( I made the maths and having 100% this turn and 0% in the next allows us to have Alpha + med in 2 turns, as we were planning for philo bulb ), pressed enter and....Spoiler :
With the luck I'm having in this game, it had to be a GSpy
. OFC that bulbing Philo is out of reach now, so I think the best thing to do is to go heavy on espionage while trailing to Natio. A SY in Athens with that spy, combined with a castle and possibly nationhood would crank out a very decent ammount of EP. BTW, why were our weights in espionage still untouched?Other thing is that the AI does not look too advanced , at least for a deity game
( we should had putted Agressive AI as well )....To end, the eternal builds issues. HE is still undone ( why? ) and probably Sparta should have it ( how fitting .... 10 turns to finish it there ( no marble ) ). Notre Dame is within reach too ( 8 turns in Athens ), but if we want a castle there it will have to wait 3 turns ( wall + castle ). And OFC we would not be making units there
Save is below. I would really apreciate some input before playing the rest of the set.
Bash some heads that aren't Greek. Steal some stuff. Win the game.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
HE is not critical at the moment, I needed more siege and spears. Agree with Sparta ... we probably don't want to tie up our capitol with HE. I think Notre Dame to add happy is a good enough investment. If you don't want to hold up Athens, maybe the SW city can build it? We could also get one more settler out to put the 2 sugars to use. It could be a simple specialist city.
Hmmm ... we got a GSpy? Tough luck. But it does gives the Scotland Yard. So let's build it, and send 3 spies out. One spy to explore Maya, one spy to explore the west (make sure we really are isolated there beyond the barbs), and one more to explore beyong Maya. I think we have been ignoring exploration for far too long ... let's find out where the other Deities are.
Regarding the esp, yeah, we should probably put the weight of Charle to 0. He is not gonna survive til a contact with us But other than that, I don't see how else to distribute the points without having know where the other AIs are. Plus it is good to keep the esp evenly distributed now so that we don't incur too much spending advantage over our eventual target civ (resulting in a much higher cost for espionage operation). Well, that's my thinking. I am not that well-versed in the esp aspect of the game.
As to research, yeah, we can probably forget abt Philo for now. I would suggest Paper -> Education route (yellow). I am also fine with the more warlike Monarchy -> Feudalism -> Guilds (red) route.
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Hmmm ... we got a GSpy? Tough luck. But it does gives the Scotland Yard. So let's build it, and send 3 spies out. One spy to explore Maya, one spy to explore the west (make sure we really are isolated there beyond the barbs), and one more to explore beyong Maya. I think we have been ignoring exploration for far too long ... let's find out where the other Deities are.
Regarding the esp, yeah, we should probably put the weight of Charle to 0. He is not gonna survive til a contact with us
But other than that, I don't see how else to distribute the points without having know where the other AIs are. Plus it is good to keep the esp evenly distributed now so that we don't incur too much spending advantage over our eventual target civ (resulting in a much higher cost for espionage operation). Well, that's my thinking. I am not that well-versed in the esp aspect of the game. As to research, yeah, we can probably forget abt Philo for now. I would suggest Paper -> Education route (yellow). I am also fine with the more warlike Monarchy -> Feudalism -> Guilds (red) route.
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r_rolo1
King of myself
How about self researching to Edu and steal via Guilds?
The southern city will take 16 turns to make Notre Dame, compared with 8 in cap. Even wall + castle+ ND will be faster ( 11 turns... maybe less with careful management of overflows ) in athens than making it there. I'm still for making it in Athens.
The southern city will take 16 turns to make Notre Dame, compared with 8 in cap. Even wall + castle+ ND will be faster ( 11 turns... maybe less with careful management of overflows ) in athens than making it there. I'm still for making it in Athens.
Not sure we can steal to Guilds but surely could get Monarchy while we research Paper/Education. What about Gunpowder/Chemistry/Mil Sci/Steel route instead?
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I am fine with stealing the earlier techs while we researched advance tech ourselves. I think Paper -> Education is the best for now. After Education, depending on what we can scout out and steal thus far, we can then decide whether to go the Mil Sci and Steel route, or try a shot at Liberalism.
Oh, feel free to build Notre Dame any damn where you like.
BTW, also have the Maoi enabled for some time. I am not sure whether to build it in the capitol, or save it for a later captured city.
Oh, feel free to build Notre Dame any damn where you like
.BTW, also have the Maoi enabled for some time. I am not sure whether to build it in the capitol, or save it for a later captured city.
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
If it's cheap enough and we're running Bureau, I prefer putting Moai in the capital. I like the idea of spitting out 1 unit per turn if we can.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Well, photobucket is being picky on me now, so I'll post the save and possibly edit it later ( i still have to do that map for Ruff today :/ )....
Pacal founded tao, HRE is no more. Moai in cap. We got another GSpy ( )... I wonder if the game is trying to tell us something .....
We're in the edge of attacking another Mayan city ( city at 1% ) and there are 2 spies in go to mode , one for Mayan lands and other to the side of the western barb city.
We should whip the odeon in the last conquered mayan city now as well. ND is 11 turns of completion and WW is starting to show.
Pacal founded tao, HRE is no more. Moai in cap. We got another GSpy (
)... I wonder if the game is trying to tell us something ..... We're in the edge of attacking another Mayan city ( city at 1% ) and there are 2 spies in go to mode , one for Mayan lands and other to the side of the western barb city.
We should whip the odeon in the last conquered mayan city now as well. ND is 11 turns of completion and WW is starting to show.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Well, making that Ruff map drained all my imagination, so I'll just make a flat out report.
First, SY in Athens:
Some news, a good and a bad one
Moai
Taoism
Guess who?
Paper
HRE is not holy or Roman or Empire anymore......
1st spy, en route to Mayan lands
Cool barbs doing some outsourcing for us
The RNG gods ( remember those, Mr Fox? ) want to tell us something .....
A settler ready for the western lands
Tech situation of the AI and power graph. Hatty is taking a proper beating .
Pls do this before pressing enter:
Save above.
P.S. @ Greyfox
First, SY in Athens:
Spoiler :
Some news, a good and a bad one
Spoiler :
Moai
Spoiler :
Taoism
Spoiler :
Guess who?
Spoiler :
Paper
Spoiler :
HRE is not holy or Roman or Empire anymore......
Spoiler :
1st spy, en route to Mayan lands
Spoiler :
Cool barbs doing some outsourcing for us
Spoiler :
The RNG gods ( remember those, Mr Fox?
) want to tell us something .....Spoiler :
A settler ready for the western lands
Spoiler :
Tech situation of the AI and power graph. Hatty is taking a proper beating .
Spoiler :
Pls do this before pressing enter:
Spoiler :
Save above.
P.S. @ Greyfox
There is a certain site that needs some update
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