Fox10 - The Real Thing

[shyuhe]

I played 15 turns. We have some interesting options open now. First, an oddity that I'm going to post as my joke. I think we got moved from somewhere around here since I don't see how you can claim these fish. It also explains why Gandhi has 22% of the world's land

The report:
235 - Inherited turn. Looks good.

236 - We encounter Gandhi. Immediately declare war.

237 - Bandits are ravaging our countryside. I pay 12 gold.

238 - Gunpowder completed.

239 - Calendar completed.

241 - Theology completed. I would have gone after astro first but I realized that we're out of non-military builds and I didn't want to build any military before we got theocracy. We also get a lucky event:

242 - GS is born and settled.

245 - We prove that the world is round.

248 - Sistine is BIFAL.

249 - AP is completed. Parthenon is BIFAL (I had invested one turn of hammers).

250 - We get our Parthenon refund of 90 gold. Astronomy is also completed. End of set.

Churchill does NOT have feudalism yet as he appears to be isolated. Gandhi, Gilgamesh, and Zara are in a love fest unfortunately Gandhi has the most land out of the three but I think his over expansion has hurt his tech rate as he's not teching very quickly yet. However that will probably change as he hits guilds and banking to generate more gold.

We don't have any boats yet, nor do we have any military units to load on. This is what our city looks like:

I recommend completing the observatory first. I thought about going pacifism after astro to unlock AW but that's a lot of hammers that we'll need to divert from military builds. If we're not planning on attacking anybody soon then I think AW before military may be a better idea (and staying in OR until we finish AW). If we're skipping AW then we should go theocracy ASAP and start building maces while teching towards biology.

The AI isn't even close to challenging our biology sling as nobody has paper (or CS). The closest is Churchill who has philo.

 

[GreyFox]

That's call deep-sea fishing ... or Ozzy-Overlooked-It.

I think going after theocracy is the correct move as we will be moving to military builds. Hmm ... since observatories is not yet on line, I would expect us to be running full-merchant mode (we are going to need money soon for upgrades).

Since Phhilo is coming on line with Observatory finishing on the same turn, I would delay until then to evaluate if AW is worth it. (Offhand, I think it is very nice, at +1 hammer per priest, a priest is worth much more than an engineer, and we can run more priests than engineers).

Nice first turnset BTW!

In the other news, I got it ... temporarily. I am flying off to somewhere tomorrow, but I do think I can get this turnset done today. Else, I will swap and let Immy take a poke at this first.

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[GreyFox]

First of all, my sincere apology. I say the wrong thing to Shyuhe:

I am really getting old ... perhaps it's time for me to stop playing Civ ...

Er.. can this be my joke? Pleeaaaasssseee?

No?

Okay, here go:

Spoiler :

What does one volcano says to the other?

Spoiler :

I larva you, you larva me.

These researchers in Civ4 likes to state the obvious and call it a great work:

Meanwhile, we try to get some naval battles going, hopefully to get a GG just in time for military science to get an academy.

We are also glad to have Albert Einstein settling in our fine island state:

At this point, another joke:

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

Uncle.

Uncle who?

Not 'who', but 'what'.

confused? then click below.

Spoiler :

We have got philosophy, obviously, and head on to get chemistry first, before going for Liberalism. I think Printing Press is needed for SciMeth.

Before passing the save to the next player, I revolted to theocracy:

As you can see above, we are now ready to unleash the previously built-to-one turn units. However, I suggest we interleave each of them with a frigate or something like that, to make full use of the hammer overflow.

* GreyFox
* Imhotep << UP
* r_rolo1
* Pawelo
* Cabledawg
* Shyuhe

 

[shyuhe]

First of all, my sincere apology. I say the wrong thing to Shyuhe:

I don't get what this is referring to? We didn't have access to philosophy for the longest time since I went astronomy first. Or were you referring to the 2 turn anarchy for 1 civic swap? I don't think it would have been worth the few short turns that we would have been in pacifism considering how fast we had to switch to theocracy.

 

[GreyFox]

Yes, I am referring to me telling you the wrong thing (this is bad, I am getting old), and no, even in this case, pacifism is not worth it. We are already in unit production mode.

 

[·Imhotep·]

May I ask for a swap ? I can play Tuesday...

 

[r_rolo1]

By me consider yourself swapped....

This means I got it, but will not play today ( have another pending games )

In the meanwhile feel free to post advice ( I suppose that we want to reserch lib until 1 turn left and to beeline Bio ,isn't it ? )

 

[GreyFox]

Yes, that's right.

* GreyFox
* Imhotep << On Deck
* r_rolo1 << UP and got it
* Pawelo
* Cabledawg
* Shyuhe

 

[r_rolo1]

This was a really dull turnset ( played 10 turns ).... Basically builded military ( some frigates as well ), left lib with some left and trailed to SciMet....

Longer version:

Made some exploring..... AI are entering in "navalites" .... Garrisons are small, and they will be easily eaten by superior tech armies

Spoiler :

The wonders of a hand made map... Good ol'one-legged birdie of Oz really wanted to give shaka some gifts....

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And the usual stupid mediator.... in AW being a peace mediator is clearly a nepotist job

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Some bad luck... God it is not much of concern

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A city that will kill some of our finest ( unless we have CR3 arties )

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We have researched Lib almost entirely and we're near finishing PP. Compare with the poor AI in the end of turnset ( I wonder if the galleyitis and trirremitis they are having is dragging them down ... of course that the lack of Alphabet helps )

Spoiler :

No one has paper yet... some don't have philo as well. It looks that we could Lib radio

log

Spoiler :

Logging by BUG Mod 2.11 (BtS 3.13)
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Turn 262/750 (1170 AD) [14-Jan-2008 21:44:43]
Reminder: On Turn 272, Finish...
Cuzco finishes: Galleon

IBT:

Turn 263/750 (1180 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:01:08]
Cuzco begins: Maceman (1 turns)
Cuzco begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Cuzco begins: Galleon (2 turns)
Cuzco begins: Frigate (2 turns)
Cuzco finishes: Trebuchet

IBT:

Turn 264/750 (1190 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:03:30]
Fox10(Inca) and Churchill(England) have signed a peace treaty
Fox10(Inca) declares war on Churchill(England)
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 265/750 (1200 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:05:14]
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 266/750 (1210 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:06:03]
Cuzco finishes: Frigate

IBT:

Turn 267/750 (1220 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:06:52]
Cuzco begins: Frigate (2 turns)
Research begun: Printing Press (7 Turns)
Research begun: Scientific Method (7 Turns)

IBT:

Turn 268/750 (1230 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:08:57]
Cuzco finishes: Frigate

IBT:

Turn 269/750 (1240 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:10:03]
Cuzco begins: Frigate (2 turns)

IBT:

Turn 270/750 (1250 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:11:18]
Cuzco finishes: Frigate

IBT:
Civics Change: Zara Yaqob(Ethiopia) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 271/750 (1255 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:13:44]
Cuzco begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
A Fort was built near Cuzco

IBT:
Civics Change: Gandhi(India) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 272/750 (1260 AD) [14-Jan-2008 22:14:43]
Reminder: Finish...

Joke

Spoiler :

I don't think that we'll have a diplo victory this way.....

Reminders

I made some frigates.... we should send them to milk some GG points with those pretty galleys and trirremes ( frigates vs galleys... this doesn't look emperor at all )

Sometime soon we should research Guilds for the Grocer, both for the $ as for ( not that this will be important in a not so far future ) , and Banking ( Merc + Bank ). But Bio first .....

 

[Kodii]

Spoiler :

What does one volcano says to the other?

Spoiler :

I larva you, you larva me.

I'm pretty sure thats what baby ants... or beetles say, not volcanoes.

...*runs away*

 

[Ozbenno]

Its not actually a fully hand made map. Its a ice age narrow continents map, that had some additions and deletions made to it via instructions from Mr Fox. Those seafood resources were there to start with.

 

[GreyFox]

Feel free to play more than 10 turns if it is boring. Pre-real-war I expect players to play at least 15 turns.

Agree with getting GG points, and also some pillaging is good money too.

I fact I will send some maces out to pillage mines, etc.

* GreyFox
* Imhotep << UP
* r_rolo1
* pawelo << On Deck
* Cabledawg
* Shyuhe

 

[GreyFox]

Immy is late, lawyering is a time-consuming business I imagine, so pawelo is free to post a got it and grab the save.

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[pawelo]

Can't grab it pre-friday

RL going very hard in terms of work nowadays...
Feel free to skip me to get the game going fast.

 

[GreyFox]

Okay. Cabledawg, Imhotep, and Pawelo are simultaneously UP. Whoever post a got-it first, wins.

 

[·Imhotep·]

Got it. Will play now...

 

[·Imhotep·]

This is an M-rated joke, so beware...

Spoiler :

A doctor had sex with one of his patients and is now sitting on his desk, totally confused and ashamed. "How could I lose all my standards of ethics and morality ? I'm a doctor, I'm not supposed to do such things with my patients..." All of a sudden a little devil appeared on his right shoulder and whispered: "Why are you so upset ? Do you know how many doctors have sex with their patients ? You're not the only one, believe me..." At once his face grew joyful again. He said: "You're right, I've done nothing bad at all..." Suddenly a little angel appeared on his left shoulder, saying: "Remember you're a veterinarian..."

My turns surely were not dull. I played 25 turns, but those were really enjoyable ones. Look:

Battle Stats:
Units victorious while attacking : 20
Units victorious while defending : 3
Units defeated while attacking : 1
Units defeated while defending : 4

We got a GS during my first turns which I settled. With the discovery of SciMeth we hit the Industrial Era in 1305 AD. Not that bad...

We have Oil, but we have to wait for Plastics until we can use it.

Now I know that the Biology sling was the plan. I looked at the tech situation after SciMeth came in:

No AI is even close to Education. So I thought it was safe to take something better with Lib and research Biology on our own. I hired some Merchants to balance our troop costs and started on Biology (15 turns only).

I had sent out some Caravels (and lost two in English territory, damned Triremes). After that lesson I sent out a Frigate. Time to play ! This earned us our first GG:

He is at Cuzco as I didn't want to decide what to with him. Do we want +2XP or a Super Medic ?

Meanwhile I had assembled a nice stack. Time to cleave some skulls in earnest, not only those water games...

Aksum was on a hill with some LBs in it, bot those CRII Trebuchets sure know how to crack the nutshell...

And Ethiopia's capital is no more. Note the Partizan event, we lost a Mace due to it. I sent our army back for healing.

Biology is in, and I had started building the preserves with SciMeth coming online (trained a 2nd Worker for speeding it up). National Park here we come !

The tech situation:

Still the AI is miles away from Lib. I've started research on Nationalism (the Taj anyone ?) but currently just 1 turn has invested in it. We could take Physics and the free GS with Lib, but I'd suggest we research it ourselves (17 turns currently) and take Electricity/Radio/Industrialism according to the AI research.

Imhotep

Spoiler The Log :

Logging by BUG Mod 2.20 (BtS 3.13)
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Turn 272/750 (1260 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:39:22]
Cuzco finishes: Trebuchet

IBT:

Turn 273/750 (1265 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:40:38]
Cuzco begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Tech learned: Printing Press
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 274/750 (1270 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:41:48]
Cuzco begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)

IBT:

Turn 275/750 (1275 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:42:50]
While attacking in English territory near Minoan, Caravel defeats (1.47/3): English Trireme (Prob Victory: 80.0%)
Cuzco finishes: Trebuchet

IBT:
While defending in English territory at Newcastle, Caravel loses to: English Trireme (1.12/2) (Prob Victory: 17.2%)

Turn 276/750 (1280 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:43:37]
Cuzco begins: Maceman (2 turns)

IBT:

Turn 277/750 (1285 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:44:39]
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 278/750 (1290 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:44:55]
Cuzco begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Cuzco finishes: Trebuchet
Al-Kindi (Great Scientist) born in Cuzco

IBT:

Turn 279/750 (1295 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:45:22]
Cuzco begins: Frigate (2 turns)

IBT:

Turn 280/750 (1300 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:46:27]
Tech learned: Scientific Method
Cuzco finishes: Frigate

IBT:

Turn 281/750 (1305 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:46:46]
Research begun: Biology (15 Turns)
Cuzco begins: Maceman (2 turns)

IBT:
Islam founded in a distant land
Civics Change: Churchill(England) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 282/750 (1310 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:48:46]
While attacking on the high seas near Canterbury, Harbour Defense (Frigate) defeats (8.00/8): English Trireme (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 283/750 (1315 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:49:26]
Cuzco begins: Worker (2 turns)
George Patton (Great General) born in Cuzco
While attacking in English territory near Canterbury, Harbour Defense (Frigate) defeats (6.24/8): English Trireme (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Harbour Defense (Frigate) promoted: Combat I

IBT:

Turn 284/750 (1320 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:51:05]
Cuzco finishes: Worker

IBT:

Turn 285/750 (1325 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:51:19]
Cuzco begins: Galleon (2 turns)

IBT:

Turn 286/750 (1330 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:51:57]
Cuzco finishes: Galleon

IBT:

Turn 287/750 (1335 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:52:26]
Cuzco begins: Maceman (2 turns)
While attacking in English territory near Canterbury, Harbour Defense (Frigate) defeats (7.12/8): English Trireme (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 288/750 (1340 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:53:07]
Cuzco begins: Galleon (2 turns)
Harbour Defense (Frigate) promoted: Medic I

IBT:

Turn 289/750 (1345 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:54:17]
A Forest Preserve was built near Cuzco
While attacking in English territory at Newcastle, Caravel defeats (1.98/3): English Trireme (Prob Victory: 75.9%)
Cuzco finishes: Galleon

IBT:
While defending in English territory at Newcastle, Caravel defeats (0.96/3): English Trireme (Prob Victory: 40.3%)
While defending in English territory at Newcastle, Caravel loses to: English Trireme (1.20/2) (Prob Victory: 2.0%)

Turn 290/750 (1350 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:54:43]
Cuzco begins: Maceman (2 turns)
A Fishing Boats near London was destroyed by Incan Harbour Defense (Frigate)
A Fishing Boats near London was destroyed by Incan Harbour Defense (Frigate)

IBT:

Turn 291/750 (1355 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:56:05]
A Fishing Boats near York was destroyed by Incan Harbour Defense (Frigate)
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 292/750 (1360 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:56:57]
Cuzco begins: Maceman (2 turns)
While attacking on the high seas near York, Harbour Defense (Frigate) defeats (8.00/8): English Galley (Prob Victory: 100.0%)

IBT:
While defending in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Maceman 1 of Cuzco (Maceman) loses to: Ethiopian Maceman (1.92/8) (Prob Victory: 31.9%)

Turn 293/750 (1365 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:57:55]
Trebuchet 1 of Cuzco (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider I
Trebuchet 1 of Cuzco (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider II
Precision Siege II (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider I
Precision Siege II (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Precision Siege II (Trebuchet) loses to: Ethiopian Longbowman (3.36/6) (Prob Victory: 48.8%)
Precision Siege III (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider I
Precision Siege III (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider II
Precision Siege IV (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider I
Precision Siege IV (Trebuchet) promoted: City Raider II
Maceman 2 of Cuzco (Maceman) promoted: City Raider I
Maceman 2 of Cuzco (Maceman) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Maceman 2 of Cuzco (Maceman) defeats (8.00/8): Ethiopian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.8%)
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force III (Maceman) defeats (8.00/8): Ethiopian Swordsman (Prob Victory: 96.7%)
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force IV (Maceman) defeats (8.00/8): Ethiopian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.4%)
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force V (Maceman) defeats (6.40/8): Ethiopian Maceman (Prob Victory: 99.2%)
While attacking in English territory near Warwick, Harbour Defense (Frigate) defeats (6.96/8): English Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.7%)
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:
While defending in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Maceman 2 of Cuzco (Maceman) defeats (8.00/8): Ethiopian Catapult (Prob Victory: 86.4%)
While defending in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Maceman 2 of Cuzco (Maceman) defeats (1.60/8): Ethiopian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 82.9%)

Turn 294/750 (1370 AD) [16-Jan-2008 11:59:31]
Cuzco begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Strike Force III (Maceman) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force III (Maceman) defeats (6.16/8): Ethiopian Maceman (Prob Victory: 95.8%)
Strike Force IV (Maceman) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force IV (Maceman) defeats (2.08/8): Ethiopian Catapult (Prob Victory: 97.4%)
Strike Force V (Maceman) promoted: City Raider I
Strike Force V (Maceman) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force V (Maceman) defeats (7.44/8): Ethiopian Catapult (Prob Victory: 99.4%)
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Frigate 2 of Cuzco (Frigate) defeats (8.00/8): Ethiopian Trireme (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Galleon 1 of Cuzco (Galleon) defeats (1.60/4): Ethiopian Trireme (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
While attacking in English territory near Warwick, Harbour Defense (Frigate) defeats (4.88/8): English Caravel (Prob Victory: 97.9%)
Cuzco finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 295/750 (1375 AD) [16-Jan-2008 12:01:05]
Cuzco begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force III (Maceman) defeats (6.16/8): Ethiopian Pikeman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force V (Maceman) defeats (7.44/8): Ethiopian Pikeman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Strike Force IV (Maceman) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking in Ethiopian territory at Aksum, Strike Force IV (Maceman) defeats (5.04/8): Ethiopian Chariot (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Buddhism has spread: Aksum
Captured Aksum (Zara Yaqob)
Razed Aksum
Buddhism has been removed: Aksum
Aksum lost
A Forest Preserve was built near Cuzco
Strike Force III (Maceman) promoted: Combat I
Strike Force III (Maceman) promoted: Shock
Tech learned: Biology

IBT:
While defending in Ethiopian territory near Gondar, Strike Force IV (Maceman) loses to: Ethiopian Maceman (6.40/8) (Prob Victory: 24.2%)
Civics Change: Gandhi(India) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 296/750 (1380 AD) [16-Jan-2008 12:03:11]
Research begun: Nationalism (8 Turns)
Galleon 1 of Cuzco (Galleon) promoted: Combat I
Cuzco finishes: Trebuchet

IBT:
Civics Change: Gilgamesh(Sumeria) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'
Civics Change: Cyrus(Persia) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

Turn 297/750 (1385 AD) [16-Jan-2008 12:04:26]
Cuzco begins: National Park (6 turns)

Battle Stats:
Units victorious while attacking : 20
Units victorious while defending : 3
Units defeated while attacking : 1
Units defeated while defending : 4

 

[GreyFox]

Great turns, finally we are fighting land battles .

I think we can try to take Artillery with Lib if possible. Need steel and Physics. We don't really need tanks or infantries, although electricity/industrialism is on the path to plastics.

I think we neither want +2XP nor supermedic, we want military academy.

Cabledawg or Pawelo is UP, whoever got it first wins.

 

[r_rolo1]

I was kidding when I said that we could Lib Radio, but we're pretty near of it... But I'm not sure we can hit Arties with Lib ( even if it is the more desirable Lib we can get... CR III arties can make some damage ). But the path is clear, research Physics and see what we can get ( and don't be overambitious.... )

 

[shyuhe]

The partisan event is not good... We will be razing every city we conquer and the AI will get partisans from every single raze Industrialism + marines may be the safest bet. Raze from the coast so that we minimize our losses to the partisans?

I think we should first research military science, then get artillery with liberalism. After that beeline for plastics, then combustion.