KMadCandy
giggling permanoob
grats for winning your game! but i don't understand this line. the fact that it was one you didn't found made relations easy?
G-Major 11
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grats for winning your game! but i don't understand this line. the fact that it was one you didn't found made relations easy?
GPfarm is always legendary.
build order: Capitol (legendary), production city (legend), GPfarm (legend), smaller GPfarm, smaller GPfarm, flipped city or another GPfarm.
I only run an artist or two somewhere early on to prevent the Oracle (or Pyramid) city from producing a GP. If my Legendary GP city has built the Nat Epic and grown to max size, I'll obviously run artists there. Otherwise I wait until I switch to Pacifism...which I usually do when the N. Epic finishes.
Thank you for your answers, WastinTime, they are greatly appreciated.
I keep on looking for the fundamental difference between our way of playing cultural games, and I can't find them. Maybe I should go one step further than Airny and not only look at your final save, but load your initial save, play the game on your map and then compare both games.
By the way, Airny, final saves can be very deceiving. One can make a lot of strange things in the final turns like:
- Starve a city so that it gives birth to its last GA sooner.
- Change all artists to merchants when the city has spit its last GA
- Change a farm to cottage in a Legendary city because there will be no time for it to starve.
- Change towns to farms when the city is already Legendary to transform it into a lastminute GPfarm.
- Disband workers because they are a pain to move every turn when there is really nothing left to do.
- Chop the forest you have been keeping for health in order to build a last monastery.
- And so on...
I keep on looking for the fundamental difference between our way of playing cultural games, and I can't find them. Maybe I should go one step further than Airny and not only look at your final save, but load your initial save, play the game on your map and then compare both games.
By the way, Airny, final saves can be very deceiving. One can make a lot of strange things in the final turns like:
- Starve a city so that it gives birth to its last GA sooner.
- Change all artists to merchants when the city has spit its last GA
- Change a farm to cottage in a Legendary city because there will be no time for it to starve.
- Change towns to farms when the city is already Legendary to transform it into a lastminute GPfarm.
- Disband workers because they are a pain to move every turn when there is really nothing left to do.
- Chop the forest you have been keeping for health in order to build a last monastery.
- And so on...
I know jesusin... explaining that now:
I just finished my 2nd try 1808AD, later than my first intuitive one.
Managed to get the Slingshot and founded 4 religions.
I finished Liberalism 1106AD, ok that's bad. Should've skipped DivineRight.
But how do you research so fast without representation and cottagespam?
I think this is one part I somehow misinterpreted.
I doubt that just improving research to 500AD lib will get me what I want.
I used the build order WastinTime uses (Capitol (legendary), production city (legend), GPfarm (legend), smaller GPfarm, smaller GPfarm, flipped city or another GPfarm) and focussed on producing GAs, had pacifism running
and working everywhere.
The ingame statistics don't work, so I don't know how many GP I got.
Did anyone calculate till when you should settle your artists?
I also miss something that tells me how turns and years correspond depending on gamespeed.
I'm not sure, should I go for
stone->pyramids->representation to boost my research while getting GAs
or I try
marble->cottage spam->parthenon and other useful buildings.
I just finished my 2nd try 1808AD, later than my first intuitive one.
Managed to get the Slingshot and founded 4 religions.
I finished Liberalism 1106AD, ok that's bad. Should've skipped DivineRight.
But how do you research so fast without representation and cottagespam?
I think this is one part I somehow misinterpreted.
I doubt that just improving research to 500AD lib will get me what I want.
I used the build order WastinTime uses (Capitol (legendary), production city (legend), GPfarm (legend), smaller GPfarm, smaller GPfarm, flipped city or another GPfarm) and focussed on producing GAs, had pacifism running
and working everywhere.
The ingame statistics don't work, so I don't know how many GP I got.
Did anyone calculate till when you should settle your artists?
I also miss something that tells me how turns and years correspond depending on gamespeed.
I'm not sure, should I go for
stone->pyramids->representation to boost my research while getting GAs
or I try
marble->cottage spam->parthenon and other useful buildings.
grats for winning your game! but i don't understand this line. the fact that it was one you didn't found made relations easy?
I mean that I didn't discover it, but it spread to my civ.
Research:
Your capitol does it all. You need to have at least 2 commerce resources (gold/gems...sometimes silver or fur can work). You need to prioritize the Academy, Bureaucracy, and the Library in that city. Also put your cottages up there first. Grow the capitol to the max happiness ASAP. Let your other cities build military, workers/settlers. If you beeline through the tree properly, you should finish before 500 AD. You could probably finish by 1 AD if you skipped all optional paths like Theology, Music, Div Right, PPress. Someone should try that...Slingshot to CS, get Alphabet, Philo, Paper, Edu, Liber (free Nat) Done.
There's also a strategy where you research only CS, Alpha, Philo, Nationalism. Done! Well, you need Music early too for the GA and to build lots of Cathedrals. You definitely don't need the Oracle for this short path. You'd probably even get Divine right in this case...and Monotheism/Theology for all the extra religions.
Your capitol does it all. You need to have at least 2 commerce resources (gold/gems...sometimes silver or fur can work). You need to prioritize the Academy, Bureaucracy, and the Library in that city. Also put your cottages up there first. Grow the capitol to the max happiness ASAP. Let your other cities build military, workers/settlers. If you beeline through the tree properly, you should finish before 500 AD. You could probably finish by 1 AD if you skipped all optional paths like Theology, Music, Div Right, PPress. Someone should try that...Slingshot to CS, get Alphabet, Philo, Paper, Edu, Liber (free Nat) Done.
There's also a strategy where you research only CS, Alpha, Philo, Nationalism. Done! Well, you need Music early too for the GA and to build lots of Cathedrals. You definitely don't need the Oracle for this short path. You'd probably even get Divine right in this case...and Monotheism/Theology for all the extra religions.
Harbourboy
Deity
Aaaargh. Attempt number 9 ended with a Roosevelt Space Race loss in 1868. My three cities were all on about 64,000 culture going at about 500 per turn, with two artists in reserve. So less than 20 turns away from winning!
I thought I had the win, but it has been rejected for reloading
I know a can do another win, but maybe someone can help me prevent this in the future. I ran the gameplay log after the win again and saw this:
Session 2: 4000BC
Session 3: 485AD
Session 4: 890AD
Session 5: 1400AD
I'm guessing it's because of the 4000BC one. I used mapfinder (for the first time), and then loaded one of the saves. Am I right, did this cause the rejection? How do I prevent it from happening again?
Thanks
I know a can do another win, but maybe someone can help me prevent this in the future. I ran the gameplay log after the win again and saw this:
Session 2: 4000BC
Session 3: 485AD
Session 4: 890AD
Session 5: 1400AD
I'm guessing it's because of the 4000BC one. I used mapfinder (for the first time), and then loaded one of the saves. Am I right, did this cause the rejection? How do I prevent it from happening again?
Thanks
Harbourboy
Deity
Ok, time to start my 10th attempt at this. The main things I plan to do differently are:
- found Polytheism and build Stonehenge. I need Stonehenge for the early land grab and to get the Great Prophets I need for...
- rush to Theology and get Sistine Chapel
Seeing as I only lost by 20 turns, I think Sistine Chapel will make the difference for me. The extra culture from Stonehenge won't hurt either. Remember that I had no world wonders in that last game.
- found Polytheism and build Stonehenge. I need Stonehenge for the early land grab and to get the Great Prophets I need for...
- rush to Theology and get Sistine Chapel
Seeing as I only lost by 20 turns, I think Sistine Chapel will make the difference for me. The extra culture from Stonehenge won't hurt either. Remember that I had no world wonders in that last game.
First off, I highly suggest you leave these sort of questions out of the public forums. We've received your email and are currently discussing it. Hence, your lack of a reply. Again, the proper channels are hof.civfanatics@gmail.com and if we haven't replied within twenty-four hours than PM us.
Secondly, MapFinder is provided to you all via the HoF Site and partially included with the mod. Therefore it only makes sense that we would allow saves created using MapFinder. MapFinder does not and will not cause a game to be rejected.
You're right, this is off topic for this forum. Sorry about that.
I actually finished a major!!! 
Granted the year was 1920 and I only had 4 cities and one religion (and was sweating the space race), but 1st major I was able to do! I actually attached the sad end map for anyone curious as to how pitifuls like me stumbled about it!
Granted the year was 1920 and I only had 4 cities and one religion (and was sweating the space race), but 1st major I was able to do! I actually attached the sad end map for anyone curious as to how pitifuls like me stumbled about it!
Harbourboy
Deity
Wow, you were lucky to not have a space ship launched on you before 1920.
I am now on my 16th attempt at this game.
Currently in 1600 AD, with my cities at about 20,000 culture. I did manage to get Sistine Chapel for once (at last), but my two nearest neighbours (Stalin and Mansa Musa) both really dislike me so I'm toast if they attack.
I am now on my 16th attempt at this game.
Currently in 1600 AD, with my cities at about 20,000 culture. I did manage to get Sistine Chapel for once (at last), but my two nearest neighbours (Stalin and Mansa Musa) both really dislike me so I'm toast if they attack.
KMadCandy
giggling permanoob
I actually finished a major!!!
Granted the year was 1920 and I only had 4 cities and one religion (and was sweating the space race), but 1st major I was able to do! I actually attached the sad end map for anyone curious as to how pitifuls like me stumbled about it!
oh dear i'm not sure how to say this. first off, grats!
if you did it once, you can do it again!i add that last bit because when i tried to load your game, warlords told me that i'd have to load HoF 2.08.003. this gauntlet requires the new version, 2.08.004
i sooooo hope i'm not ruining your day! if you did it with 4 cities and one religion, that is an outstanding accomplishment, the word pitiful does not apply! that's why i downloaded the save in fact. i have no doubt you can win again. almost three weeks left. please don't hate me, i figured it was best to know ASAP.
Harbourboy
Deity
Finally! My 16th attempt at G-Major 11 and I eventually managed to piece together a cultural victory (Elizabeth on Fractal), with my second and third cities both reaching legendary status at 1872 AD, thus, ironically, leaving my reserve Great Artist high and dry and not required to boost the third city.
Big changes from my previous attempts were the completion of Stonehenge, Pyramids, and Sistine Chapel, as well as winning the race to Liberalism. This was mainly achieved by having a dedicated research path and not bothering to research anything that was not directly on the path to those objectives, safe in the realisation that the AI pays through the nose for advanced techs and you can easily backfill all the other stuff.
I am still perplexed as to how it could be humanly possible to finish 100s of turns earlier than this, but for now I am glad to get this one out of the way so I can take a break. Phew!
My 16th attempt at G-Major 11 and I eventually managed to piece together a cultural victory (Elizabeth on Fractal), with my second and third cities both reaching legendary status at 1872 AD, thus, ironically, leaving my reserve Great Artist high and dry and not required to boost the third city.Big changes from my previous attempts were the completion of Stonehenge, Pyramids, and Sistine Chapel, as well as winning the race to Liberalism. This was mainly achieved by having a dedicated research path and not bothering to research anything that was not directly on the path to those objectives, safe in the realisation that the AI pays through the nose for advanced techs and you can easily backfill all the other stuff.
I am still perplexed as to how it could be humanly possible to finish 100s of turns earlier than this, but for now I am glad to get this one out of the way so I can take a break. Phew!
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Finally!
Big changes from my previous attempts were the completion of Stonehenge, Pyramids, and Sistine Chapel, as well as winning the race to Liberalism. This was mainly achieved by having a dedicated research path and not bothering to research anything that was not directly on the path to those objectives, safe in the realisation that the AI pays through the nose for advanced techs and you can easily backfill all the other stuff.
I am still perplexed as to how it could be humanly possible to finish 100s of turns earlier than this, but for now I am glad to get this one out of the way so I can take a break. Phew!
I really admire your determination for not giving up
Well done Harbourboy
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