If that is true, then it really needs to get fixed. Never-ending war is just as bad as never-ending peace.
Say, if a war is going well, have a 25% chance on each turn to decide they've conquered enough and offer peace.
Gandhi AI never makes it to modern age.
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If that is true, then it really needs to get fixed. Never-ending war is just as bad as never-ending peace.
Say, if a war is going well, have a 25% chance on each turn to decide they've conquered enough and offer peace.
bluedevil99
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Like any other AI Ghandi can be good if he gets the best start. In general though I find the strongest AI are those whose unique ability really doesn't require much planning to realize benefits. Double length golden ages and full attack strength for wounded units are nice bonuses when playing normally, not something you have to plan a game around. England on the other hand tends to be terrible because the AI doesn't use ships anyway. And Greece and Siam aren't nearly as good as they should be because the AI doesn't really use city states effectively.
Ghandi is just high variance- if the map is such that most players have a limited number of cities anyway, Ghandi is pretty good. But I've never had a game where Ghandi steamrolls an entire continent, because I don't think the AI knows how to manage an empire around his unique ability, and his UU isn't particularly strong.
Ghandi is just high variance- if the map is such that most players have a limited number of cities anyway, Ghandi is pretty good. But I've never had a game where Ghandi steamrolls an entire continent, because I don't think the AI knows how to manage an empire around his unique ability, and his UU isn't particularly strong.
Murky
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Gandhi and other peaceful builder types are the "low-hanging fruit" that the conquering AIs love to take first.
JudgeDeath
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Agreed. My current game Gandhi sat there with 2 cities doing nothing while wars raged around. Obviously at some point one of those armies was going to eat him. And he builds lots of Wonders in Delhi...
Well it is certainly possible to stalemate after one AI has taken cities from another. In my current game very rarely on Russia took one of Egypt's cities as well a CS. And rather than just continuing on they made peace with Egypt's score being half the other players (well not mine
Which was rather helpful as I then beat up Russian with 3 horsemen and a warrior while his army slowly dribbled back.
KrikkitTwo
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What needs to be fixed is not the war-peace code but the ability of the AI to force a stalemate. It needs to be better at war, and be more prepared... so that those "stalemates" are a lot more common.
In my second game Gandhi survived right up until the end. He was on the second large landmass of a continents map shared between him, America, and Arabia. They were all in a fairly constant state of war much of the time, but he held his own, warring with Washington as America got squeezed by Arabia (the big dog of the continent). Gandhi was the second largest civ with a sizable empire including a fair few puppeted American cities. Oddly he wasn't close to leading in culture.
I managed to finish the game without going to war with him, instead opting to knock Arabia down to size to liberate some more city states while I waited for a diplomatic victory to kick in.
I managed to finish the game without going to war with him, instead opting to knock Arabia down to size to liberate some more city states while I waited for a diplomatic victory to kick in.
Jakub92344
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I had that same bug with Bismarck in one of my games. I hope it will be gone with next patch.
True, Gandhi gets to renaissance at best and then R.I.P.
I, too, have seen Ultimate Warlord Gandhi. I had a Continents game where he took over his entire half of the world, crushing the Americans and the Japanese along with all of the city-states. I had destroyers, battleships and a submarine stationed off his coast just waiting for signs of troops massing for a naval invasion of my continent, but luckily I won a space victory before he decided to do something with his gunships and mech infantry.
I'll say...I was about to take a city from the ottomans, but the only unit i had in range was badly damaged minuteman. I'm talking close to death. A single hit would kill him. My ally in this war (china) had an almost fully healthy spearman just out of melee distance. When the turn changed the city fired at the spearman...even though my minuteman was the clear, present and immediate threat. The result: negligible damage to the spearman, while my almost dead minuteman took the city.
Dumberchild
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how do you get to know each ai leaders traits?
Mightion
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The first time I played as Suleiman, for some reason EVERYONE attacked me, including Gandhi. I mean, Egypt and Persia stopped their war just to join the party declaring on me.
Gandhi was located near to me on a continent, but he must have gone nuts making over fifteen cities just to keep me from expanding. I got killed badly by Persia, who sent over twenty units at me after I'd finished off Oda.
Gandhi is a warmonger whenever he shows up. Maybe he remembers me stomping him out with a GDR after I'd already won a tech victory...
Gandhi was located near to me on a continent, but he must have gone nuts making over fifteen cities just to keep me from expanding. I got killed badly by Persia, who sent over twenty units at me after I'd finished off Oda.
Gandhi is a warmonger whenever he shows up. Maybe he remembers me stomping him out with a GDR after I'd already won a tech victory...
Pacifist my behind. In one of my games he was the first leader I encountered, and for a while we were all buddy-buddy until he came to one of my cities with a small army, said it is sad that one of us will have to die and attacked.
When I took it back, slaughtered his men and burned everything except Dehli to the ground (only because it wouldn't burn, mind you) he comes crying that I am a bloodthirsty beast who murdered defenceless and innocent men. Double-standard much, you skinny four-eyes sociopath? Grr.
When I took it back, slaughtered his men and burned everything except Dehli to the ground (only because it wouldn't burn, mind you) he comes crying that I am a bloodthirsty beast who murdered defenceless and innocent men. Double-standard much, you skinny four-eyes sociopath? Grr.
Guardian_PL
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Don't blame Gandhi, it's the same sociopathic AI every time, leaders are just different skins for it. I for one can't tell any difference between leaders whatsoever - they're all the same to me.
Hmmm I only half agree.
Some will hate you more than other for settling near them.
Its been a big debate around - it does feel like the AI is more like a "player" as they will DoW their best friend just as we would if we have an interest in it but I kinda miss the satisfaction to know:
+ oh here is gandhi, lucky me, I m safe on that side or;
+ oh here is Suleiman, lucky me, I can trade a lot with him
+ oh here is Shaka, I have got to keep an eye on him and take him out as soon as I can
Rather now is:
+ oh here is ghandi, I can trade a lot with him but I have to keep an eye on him.
+ oh here is sulieman, I can trade a lot with him but I have to keep an eye on him.
+ oh here is shaka, I can trade a lot with him but I have to keep an eye on him.
Makes more or less the which AI is in my game irrelevant.
Guardian_PL
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That's what I just said!
Yeah, there are "flavours", like Oda or Nappy not really minding your "bloodthirstness" or Suleiman that has this high oh-so sophisticated "deception" rating which means he's even more insane hating you one turn, all smiles the next, and declaring turn after, and signing for peace giving you its cities (notice I've used "it" because the leaders don't feel human whatsoever to me) later on etc, but like you've just nicely put - it's the same crap, only with different animation each time...
And Gandhi's flavour is that it's even worse in warfare than it's other AI counterparts.
Nunya
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I played a large pangaea map with just me and England, where England build 2 or 3 cities, then spent the next 300 turns settling on 2-tile tundra islands.
Mark Havel
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That was a great use of ships indeed.
In the game were I met Ghandi, I supposed it would be all peace and love save he quite didn't like the fact that I took all Japan after Nobunaga declared war on me. Then, quite suddenly and after a few research agreements, he told me he was sorry but there could be only one Civ on this continent and declared war on me. I steamrolled his three cities soon after just to find that the game was now between me and Augustus Caesar on the other continent.
In the game were I met Ghandi, I supposed it would be all peace and love save he quite didn't like the fact that I took all Japan after Nobunaga declared war on me. Then, quite suddenly and after a few research agreements, he told me he was sorry but there could be only one Civ on this continent and declared war on me. I steamrolled his three cities soon after just to find that the game was now between me and Augustus Caesar on the other continent.
In my current game, Gandhi is busily declaring war on everyone in sight.
I believe his first war was triggered when someone attacked one of his city-state allies, but since then he's declared war perhaps ten times... including against me, and I'm nowhere near him and have never attacked a city-state.
I believe his first war was triggered when someone attacked one of his city-state allies, but since then he's declared war perhaps ten times... including against me, and I'm nowhere near him and have never attacked a city-state.
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