GeneralMatt's Creation Thread

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Anyways, I still believe that Battlecruiser can be used as battleships, until a authentic Battleship shows up on the other side, then they have it a little bit harder.
Though, it would be cool to have a Fast Battleship, or Battlecruiser unit. Cram all the more art into the game eh?

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Anyways, I still believe that Battlecruiser can be used as battleships, until a authentic Battleship shows up on the other side, then they have it a little bit harder.
Though, it would be cool to have a Fast Battleship, or Battlecruiser unit. Cram all the more art into the game eh?
I've got Destroyers at Str-30, Heavy Cruisers at Str-34, Dreadnoughts at Str-38 and Battleships at Str-42... exactly where do you want me to fit "Fast Battleships" and "Battlecruisers" at? :rolleyes:

Matt, when are you going to admit that you're wrong that you can't use Battlecruisers in the Battleship spot? You also had FULL CONTROL of which French warship to model as I gave you both the Richeliue and Dunkerque as options... don't blame me that you chose a Battlecruiser when you had a Battleship as an option I pointed out to you.

Bottom line, there's really no realistic place in game for splitting-hairs with a Battlecruiser vs a Battleship (not without revamping a TON of stuff). At the scale and abstraction this game is, Battlecruisers have every right to represent the Battleship category... you're just out of gas that it's no good to do so.

If you want to play a game that has space to seperate the stats of a Battlecruiser from a Battleship, there's plenty of games that do that (including Pacific General!), but in Civ4 gamescale, it's just too abstract for you to be splitting hairs. At least by default combat values... you'd really have to overhaul the combat system drastically to show a differance.

Why else would the Battlecruisers of WWI and WWII be used in essentially the same role as Battleships were... you're just really reaching on this Matt... you're the only guy I know (including German, British and American Admiralties), who thinks the Battlecruiser can't be used in the role of a Battleship....

You're way too hung-up on a name (battlecruiser) and really need to loosen-up Matt.

Flat-out, there's nothing wrong with using the Hood or Dunkerque to fill the Battleship role for their countries. The Hood was much better regarded by the Royal Navy (and Kriegsmarine for that matter) then the Queen Elizabeth was!
 
:lol: Pot... meet kettle.
Hehe... but for once, I'm not the one being a stickler for a name or class... it's Matt this time!

I'm saying "Battlecruiser/Battleship, what's the differance"... you should all marvel at the new me!

Maybe I've rubbed-off on Matt? He's the one saying there should be differant classes, not me!
 
And hey, you think I am getting hung up. :p I keep saying prefer, I have realized I do not really care. I also said earlier that I know there is too little room to have a BC class, ok? There is a huge difference between prefer and HAVE to have..
Lets just drop this whole thing, my opinion seems to be misinterpreted so I think it is better we stop the whole thing..

Also, my reasons for choosing the Dunkirque

1: Because I do not really care if a BC takes a BB's role in Civ 4
2: Because I saw it in another game and she stole my heart.. I have a thing for BC's see..
 
And you would know, haha, you were one of the first to reply to my threads!

Also, she is just about finished, I do consider her my best model now, I hope to get her finished after 9. I need to go out till then so adios guys,
 
Also, my reasons for choosing the Dunkirque (sic)

1: Because I do not really care if a BC takes a BB's role in Civ 4
See... that's all I've been saying all-along!
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Matt... I LOVE the Dunkerque... it's one of my favorite ships of all time (even for a BC!).

Your work on it is fantastic... you seem to be improving with each model! :goodjob:
 
Yeah, and all along I have been saying BC's are not BB's.. In real Life. :p Oh well..

Just about finished..
 
So, this is updated..

Matt... here's your list for the seven major naval powers... I can come-up with a list for the other more minor powers if/when you want.

United States:
BB: Iowa (already done)
Dread: Florida
Pre-Dread: Iowa (already done)
CV: Essex (already done)
CA: Brooklyn (already done... technically a "CL" though) or Baltimore (a true CA)?
DD: Fletcher
Submarine: Gato

England:
BB: Hood (already done by Danrell) or King George V (Danrell's Hood is top-notch... sorry Matt, but your QE Battleship is more akin to a WWI Super Dreadnought, then the standard WWII Battleship which the KGV was... also not fond of the QE Civ4 model)?
Dread: Dreadnought (already done by Danrell, Snafusmith)
Pre-Dread: Canopus (already done)
CV: Illustrious or Ark Royal
CA: Kent/London/Norfolk... any of these three which were the three designs of the "County" class CA
DD: Tribal
Submarine: T Class (not Thames, but "T")

Germany:
BB: Bismarck (already done)?
Dread: Helgoland (already done)
Pre-Dread: Brandenburg (already done)
CV: Graf Zeppelin (already done)
CA: Admiral Hipper
DD: Zerstörer 1934... aka; 'Leberecht Maas'
Submarine: Type VIIC U-Boat (already done)

France:
BB: Dunkerque (Already done)
Dread: Courbet
Pre-Dread: Jauréguiberry or Charlemagne
CV: Béarn
CA: Algerie
DD: Le Fantasque
Submarine: Surcouf

Japan:
BB: Yamato (already done)
Dread: Fuso
Pre-Dread: Mikasa (already done)
CV: Zuikaku (already done) or Akagi?
CA: Takao
DD: Yugumo
Submarine: Type C

Russia:
BB: Gangut (already done)
Dread: Gangut (they didn't have any other classes)
Pre-Dread: Bronenosets Tsesarevich (already done, but missing turrets!)?
CV: Project 71 or Project 72
CA: Kirov
DD: Leningrad
Submarine: Stalinets

Italy:
BB: Littorio (already done)
Dread: Conte Di Cavour
Pre-Dread: Regina Margherita or Emanuele Filiberto
CV: Aquila
CA: Zara
DD: Soldati
Submarine: Marconi
 
If you want to cross another unit off your list I made a German Z-Class destroyer (1936 model I think) a while back. You can find it in Modern Warfare. It's not the greatest, but at the very least it could work as a stand-in.
 
Thank you Smitty! I always wondered what nationality that was. I though UK as they had all the destroyer classes like A, O, L, Q, M etc. :p
I think it will work, at least, as you say, as a filler.. Which makes me think of a Mod, hmm.

Wolfshanze, we should do that, just a small mod, that adds the dreadnought and pre dreadnought eras, and all the variety. This would make it easier for those who want the Naval aspect, but maybe their PC's cannot handle your Mod..

strategyonly@ Feel free to use what you wish. This list is hardly complete though. :p

Something for Wolfshanze to check out below..
 

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I could probably start it, but I do want to fix up the HMS Warspite before I do anything else.

What would be a help is lots of images, and and sketches, blueprints etc.

Edit: Another thing for Wolfshanze
 

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Ok, thanks, that does not look too super hard..
 
Yes.. I cannot guarantee final dates and all that, I tend to gravitate towards making what I am interested in, and that tends to be from the 1700's to the end of WWII :p
 
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