[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Kyriakos]

Would it have been impossible for people to just stick to the protest being about the police brutality against everyone?
If that had happened, wouldn't it have more likely led to some change?

How are things looking now? I hope that we don't have new police murders against civilians just a few weeks from now.

 

[Lexicus]

Would it have been impossible for people to just stick to the protest being about the police brutality against everyone?

It is about police brutality against everyone! Like Jesus tapdancing christ, Black Lives Matter was speaking up for the white victims against police brutality while the All Lives Matter crowd were saying "well if they'd just complied with the cops they'd be alive"

 

[Berzerker]

are you saying all lives matter now?

as for this claim 'all lives matter' is racist, since when do racists think all lives matter?

 

[W|M]

Yet they weren't remembered for that. They were remembered for laying down the foundations for the republic that eventually lead to freeing the slaves and granting them freedom. We acknowledge and recognized that they were slave owners in the late 1700s. Even if it took years because the southern states would get all antzy about "muh slaves" and took a Civil War to finally have it happen.

it took nearly a century to legalize slavery nationwide, and even many northern states kept slavery for decades after independence. many policy decisions (such as the annexation of texas) were also explicitly done to favour slavery, and there were further attempts to annex more land around the caribbean to increase the power of slaveowners. jim crow also continued until the 1960s, and to this day it's legal to enslave prisoners; it's no coincidence that black people are arrested and imprisoned much more than white people

Grant was a US General that fought in the Union Army. He only had one slave from his wife's side and quickly freed him.

having one slave instead of 100 doesn't make you any better of a person

Same argument can be applied using "racist whites".

black people have never systematically enslaved white people, there has never been a black KKK, there has never been a black-supremacist jim crow

Full stop here. Antifa does exist. If they don't exist, why do they have merchandise?

show me one piece of antifa merchandise

Why does Trump want to put them on a domestic terror list?

because trump is just as clueless as you

 

[Lexicus]

having one slave instead of 100 doesn't make you any better of a person

Does freeing the one slave make you better than the one who passes them down to his children? Does freeing hundreds of thousands of slaves at gunpoint, and then arming and training many of them to fight their former masters?

 

[Zardnaar]

Would have to look into Grant more.

If he freed a slave he got his his marriage he's a liberal for his times.

Imaging if you quantum leap back into Imperial Rome and you own slaves. What do you do?

 

[Lexicus]

Would have to look into Grant more.

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/the-formerly-enslaved-household-of-the-grant-family

good article on him

 

[Zardnaar]

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/the-formerly-enslaved-household-of-the-grant-family

good article on him

Interesting read. Complicated isn't it.

 

[Kyriakos]

Ulysses Grant

Cultural appropriation.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I'm glad to see that the RD thread lives up to its promise, and has a high level of discussion, keeping it straight on topic and not wandering into absolute idiocy.

 

[Zardnaar]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/...ack-americans-come-home-and-build-a-life-here

Interesting article.

Ghana offering incentives to move there.

More of the comparatively rich afro Americans going to a poorer country and becoming the new elite so not sure what to think.

Kind if like me going to Moldova or Ukraine I suppose with NZ money.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, some of us aren't into trying to attack others, if that's what you mean; instead trying to secure more friendly conditions. Then again RD status plays no role there, Shera.

 

[JohannaK]

Yet they weren't remembered for that. They were remembered for laying down the foundations for the republic that eventually lead to freeing the slaves and granting them freedom. We acknowledge and recognized that they were slave owners in the late 1700s. Even if it took years because the southern states would get all antzy about "muh slaves" and took a Civil War to finally have it happen. Grant was a US General that fought in the Union Army. He only had one slave from his wife's side and quickly freed him.


Same argument can be applied using "racist whites".

Full stop here. Antifa does exist. If they don't exist, why do they have merchandise? Why does Trump want to put them on a domestic terror list?


I'm more or less referencing to cancel culture that happens online with celebrates and online personalities.

To think that I believed you when you said you had climbed out of this hole.

Well, some of us aren't into trying to attack others, if that's what you mean; instead trying to secure more friendly conditions. Then again RD status plays no role there, Shera.

Said he, trying to attack other people.

 

[Kyriakos]

To think that I believed you when you said you had climbed out of this hole.

Said he, trying to attack other people.

The irony here is palpable; I suppose you aren't the poster with your username who for some bizarre reason has been trying to pester me for half a decade now.

 

[W|M]

Does freeing the one slave make you better than the one who passes them down to his children?

I just wouldn't marry someone who owned someone else

Does freeing hundreds of thousands of slaves at gunpoint, and then arming and training many of them to fight their former masters?

that helps his case sure, but grant was still a terrible person for other reasons (notably his treatment of indigenous people). is douglas macarthur a good person because he fought against the japanese empire?

If he freed a slave he got his his marriage he's a liberal for his times.

he literally fought in the war that was explicitly about whether to free slaves or not, being against owning people as property wasn't some weird radical new idea

 

[GenMarshall]

Holy crap. I remember when you told me you weren't going to engage with the Alt-Right anymore and now here you are, just parroting out Alt-Right talking points. Words cannot express how utterly hurt and disappointed I am to see someone I consider a friend going down this horrendous path. Please don't do this.

To think that I believed you when you said you had climbed out of this hole.

I know this would be done in the Olive Branch Thread, but it was recommended to me by NC to make a general apology within this thread for everyone.

I apologize for repeating Alt-Right talking points and conspiracy theories that were off the wall. When this was happening, I was unsure how to process the events that were going on and only saught comfort in the old anti-SJW ideals as I felt not only frustrated, but also frightened. As a close friend once explained a few months ago in the Birds of Prey Thread "Most of his ennui stems from misunderstanding a lot of the foundational principles of the debate, and it's seduced him, like a lot of angry men, into conflating women's and minorities' attack on the traditional power structure as a personal indictment of him as an individual."

 

[Lexicus]

he literally fought in the war that was explicitly about whether to free slaves or not,

The war wasn't about freeing slaves at first. Grant was actually arguably, among Union generals, a pioneer of emancipation as a military strategy, as a method of "total war".

that helps his case sure, but grant was still a terrible person for other reasons. is douglas macarthur a good person because he fought against the japanese empire?

I'm not here to argue that Grant was a great person or even a good person, but that he was better than the Confederates he fought should not really be seriously in question.

 

[Zardnaar]

The war wasn't about freeing slaves at first. Grant was actually arguably, among Union generals, a pioneer of emancipation as a military strategy, as a method of "total war".



I'm not here to argue that Grant was a great person or even a good person, but that he was better than the Confederates he fought should not really be seriously in question.

From reading your link he seemed to be a good man doing his best relative to the times he lived in.

 

[W|M]

The war wasn't about freeing slaves at first.

maybe not from the Union side, but the Confederate obsession with both keeping and expanding slavery made a lot of abolitionist sentiment from the Union side somewhat inevitable, especially as the war progressed

 

[JohannaK]

Abolitionism was a pretty radical position. One that Grant, despite his upbringing, did not espouse until his wife's last slave ran away in 1863.

That said, it is hard to argue that, as commander of the Union forces and later as President, he was one of the people who most helped enforce emancipation and protect the rights of the emancipated people.