Germany got screwed?

[West 36]

Of course they did, but recently I've been thinking, Germany lost more than it should of, land-wise, at the end of WWII then I think it deserved, so I'm bringing this up to debate to see if there's any truth behind this. Examples: Danzig, Stettin, Pressburg, Konigsberg, Breslau, and the regions surrounding them, you know, those good old Prussian lands, I'm no nazi but if terratories belong to a certain culture, why are they given to another? To me, Germany deserved those lands, and really theres no way to get them back without starting WWIII. So there you go, WTH mates?

 

[Nylan]

Germany has a long history of being screwed over by the rest of Europe. 100 years war, Napoleonic wars, Versailles Treaty (which makes my blood boil), and punishing the whole of Germany for the Nazi's policies. Very few people actually liked Nazism. Most joined the party out of fear or because of economic necessity.

All Prussian lands should go back to Germany

period

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

Germany has a long history of being screwed over by the rest of Europe. 100 years war, Napoleonic wars, Versailles Treaty (which makes my blood boil), and punishing the whole of Germany for the Nazi's policies. Very few people actually liked Nazism. Most joined the party out of fear or because of economic necessity.

All Prussian lands should go back to Germany

period

If the Germans get all of Prussia back then we Russians want the damn crimea back from the damn Ukrainians.

The Point is, no use crying over spilt milk. Its the hand Germany was dealt and you know what? Its crap.

 

[Nylan]

If the Germans get all of Prussia back then we Russians want the damn crimea back from the damn Ukrainians.

The Point is, no use crying over spilt milk. Its the hand Germany was dealt and you know what? Its crap.

It's not like we're starting a riot or a petition or something

just postulating


besides, I understand the Ukranians lived in crimea before Russians did


EDIT: correct me if i'm wrong

 

[willemvanoranje]

I agree actually. Same goes for Sudetenland, which was inhabited by a huge majority of Germans. Of course Hitler decided to take the rest of the Czech Republic and Slovakia as well, once he got the strip of borderland named Sudetenland.. but still. Former Prussia was always mixed, but Germans were the majority. It's because the Russians were so greedy and took parts of Poland, that Germany had to give some territory as compensation to the Poles.

 

[West 36]

Well I realize any attempt to get Germany's rightly owned lands back will immediatley be shot down by @$$holes who think its Nazism. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt Russia control Konigsberg, or w/e its called now? Theres no way in hell they'll get that back if so, Russia wouldnt give up a port over there. But now I'm thinking if, over the decades, the majority has changed, if Germans are still the most populous in these places. If so, than, sorry Poland, but thats Deutsch. I don't mean to be rude, and I dont want war, I want justice and jesus christ! If its german territory, than it should be German. god i sound like hitler, sorry...

 

[Nylan]

No, you sound like a nationalist

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

All Prussian lands should go back to Germany

period

No Germans live there anymore. Poland is probably the most ethnically homogenous country in Europe, so to give those lands to Germany would go against the principle of distributing land according to ethnicity.

And actually, there were significant Polish populations in those lands before WWII as well. You can't ignore their existence by just giving the whole place to Germany.... unless of course you have double-standards with race...

Hell, perhaps we should give the whole of central Europe, including Germany, back to the Celts who lived there before those greedy German tribes invaded.

 

[Nylan]

And they were Prussian until given to Poland and the Poles moved in.

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

It's not like we're starting a riot or a petition or something

just postulating


besides, I understand the Ukranians lived in crimea before Russians did


EDIT: correct me if i'm wrong

If I remember correctly Keiv used to be Russian before it was Ukrainian, Kievan Rus... Funny how things work out.

Germany shouldn't get back its old Prussian Lands. It should be happy it even got back its Eastern Half from Us Soviets

 

[Nylan]

You mean you former-Soviets

Because I'm sure the Russian Federation would not have betrayed the trust of it's allies the way the Soviets did at the end of the war and refused to leave Germany after stabilization as had been agreed.

I hate Stalin

I know too much about him

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

You mean you former-Soviets

Because I'm sure the Russian Federation would not have betrayed the trust of it's allies the way the Soviets did at the end of the war and refused to leave Germany after stabilization as had been agreed.

I hate Stalin

I know too much about him

I hate Stalin too but you cant judge us Soviets around him (The USSR is gone, but I am still a Soviet)

 

[Nylan]

I know, I know, there's Lenin and theres Nikita (sp?)

he's just the one responsible for the whole screwing up germany with East Germany thing

I don't understand why I care about Germany so much since I'm born and raised in the US of A, but I do

and so I get mad when the Fatherland gets screwed over

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

I know, I know, there's Lenin and theres Nikita (sp?)

he's just the one responsible for the whole screwing up germany with East Germany thing

I don't understand why I care about Germany so much since I'm born and raised in the US of A, but I do

and so I get mad when the Fatherland gets screwed over

Who knows, maybe its a subconcious thing or something... We Russians and you Americans owe Germany for what the world is today (crappy as it is)

Germany did get screwed ultimately, however it doesn't deserve Prussian land returned.

 

[West 36]

If I remember correctly Keiv used to be Russian before it was Ukrainian, Kievan Rus... Funny how things work out.

Germany shouldn't get back its old Prussian Lands. It should be happy it even got back its Eastern Half from Us Soviets

Ah communism, killer of freedom and humanity. Perhaps you Soviets should be grateful Germany forgot their winter coats in Barbarossa?
Prussia united Germany, therefore, Germany deserves Prussian lands.

 

[Nylan]

Indeed

you should be thanking the Lord for that unusually cold weather

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

The Germans didn't forgot their coats, it was Hitler who sent them off unprepared. It was his idea that if they are motivated to either capture Russia in a lightning War or freeze to death, they would choose the first.

Dont blame us that they froze to death... Though, we didn't rly help them. With the shooting and what not.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

To clarify a point, 'Prussians' used to be the name of a Baltic or Slavic tribe who lived in what's later to be called 'Prussia'.

During the Middle Ages, the Germans moved in and gradually took over the land and converted the local cultural group. Eventually they even took the name and became 'Prussians'.

IIRC.

 

[willemvanoranje]

Well I realize any attempt to get Germany's rightly owned lands back will immediatley be shot down by @$$holes who think its Nazism. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt Russia control Konigsberg, or w/e its called now? Theres no way in hell they'll get that back if so, Russia wouldnt give up a port over there. But now I'm thinking if, over the decades, the majority has changed, if Germans are still the most populous in these places. If so, than, sorry Poland, but thats Deutsch. I don't mean to be rude, and I dont want war, I want justice and jesus christ! If its german territory, than it should be German. god i sound like hitler, sorry...

Nowadays Germany has nothing to look for in those areas. Take the Königsberg area, now Kaliningrad. There are almost no Germans left. Many left during the Russian siege, others right after it, and others were just killed and raped (not necessarily in that order). The now Polish parts and Sudetenland do not have many Germans anymore either. Most of them ran from the Russians or were evicted by the Poles and Czech. If I remember correctly, a total of about 15 million people was displaced because of this. Most of them moved into Germany. So, nowadays, there is no reason to give those territories back. Besides, Germany confirmed those borders by treaty.

 

[LDeska]

What a nazi crap here! Probably in Germany you could be judged for claiming such things!
Thinking this way would lead us to new war.
What is making me feel better is that you do not live in Germany, only in US and you're far away from Europe.

To be correct: Prussians were separated ethnic group, they had nothing to do with Slavians. Polish prince Konrad Mazowiecki invited German Teutonic Order to those areas to fight Prussians - they were pagans, so such Order was keen to bring Christianity there (with sword - strange idea, but that's how it worked then). This Order grew and finally started to pose a threat to Poland (later to Commonwealth, when Poland and Lithuania formed an union). Order lost wars with Commonwealth in XV century and ceased to be a threat. Then it was secularized into Prussia.
In 1945 lands of Prussia was taken by Russians, slices were given to Poland and Lithuania. Today there is no Germans there as they were expelled right after the war.
About other parts of Germany which are now in Polish borders - first of all we, Poles would like to keep our pre-war borders, we lost many historical cities in the east and literally millions of Poles were expelled by Russians from there and forced to move into new lands.
Last thing - about historically German lands - what is ironic it that those lands which we gained in 1945 were Polish long times ago. In the time when Poland was formed - in X century Wrocław (Breslau) and almost whole territory that is now Polish was then Polish. For centuries Poland shifted east and when in 1945 Russians, Americans and English draw a map of Europe once again, Poland was shaped in almost the same way as it looked like over 1000 years ago, when it emerged.
So, thinking in your way, we get what was ours (at least that was the official, communistic propaganda after WW2).