Global Consciousness Project

[Narz]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project

Iirc there was a thread on this about 10+ years ago but mods don't like bumps (when I'm at my comp later I'll dig around for it).

What are you thought on it? Woo nonsense? Some kind of ethereal connection we all have that science can not currently explain? Something else?

 

[Birdjaguar]

We are making progress in unveiling that there is much more to what's going on than we have thought in the past. Nice video. Thanks. Pantheism at work.

 

[Patine]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project

Iirc there was a thread on this about 10+ years ago but mods don't like bumps (when I'm at my comp later I'll dig around for it).

What are you thought on it? Woo nonsense? Some kind of ethereal connection we all have that science can not currently explain? Something else?

We are making progress in unveiling that there is much more to what's going on than we have thought in the past. Nice video. Thanks. Pantheism at work.

Is the multi-national Natural Law Party of the '90's coming back?

 

[dusters]

Old news to people in esoterics. Of course you can change everything with thoughts. They hold certain vibration.

 

[Patine]

Old news to people in esoterics. Of course you can change everything with thoughts. They hold certain vibration.

I don't know about EVERYTHING. I'm not convinced about such concepts as paradigm para-psychology or consensual reality theory holding THAT much weight, to be honest. It strikes me that there are underlying laws of physics and actuality that just aren't negotiable, no matter how many people you have convinced otherwise.

 

[xwyhzol]

I know a lot.

I know this universe is part of a multi-verse, and someone from a purer universe can peer at fragments of ours.

What's often misinterpreted is the fact that a vessel is experienced. You're not really your vessel, but instead the energy that experiences it.

Afterlife is more probable than not.

 

[emzie]

If this ever produced results that withstood strong statistical scrutiny, my conclusion wouldn't be that any psychic phenomena were real, but that we exist in someone else's simulation.

 

[xwyhzol]

If this ever produced results that withstood strong statistical scrutiny, my conclusion wouldn't be that any psychic phenomena were real, but that we exist in someone else's simulation.

Yeah we do; or more precisely, some collective from a purer universe type, created the big bang that connects to the multi-verse. I theorize in this 'purer universe', time is different, and people can travel through time. Imagine being able to transfer from state to state but without realising it like we realise this universe.

 

[Synobun]

Is this in any way related to that quantum mechanics theory from a decade ago about how there's a dimension that could be likened to a vast ocean of consciousness?

 

[Patine]

Yeah we do; or more precisely, some collective from a purer universe type, created the big bang that connects to the multi-verse. I theorize in this 'purer universe', time is different, and people can travel through time. Imagine being able to transfer from state to state but without realising it like we realise this universe.

"Purer universe" theory is just dressed-up, modern, non-mystical, pseudo-scientific, re-packaged Gnostic thinking. I am NOT a Gnostic.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Is the multi-national Natural Law Party of the '90's coming back?

I doubt it. TM as preached then seems to have gone out of style.

Is this in any way related to that quantum mechanics theory from a decade ago about how there's a dimension that could be likened to a vast ocean of consciousness?

Nice avatar!

I am unfamiliar with that aspect of QM. The concept though has been integral to Eastern philosophy and religion for quite a long time.

Yeah we do; or more precisely, some collective from a purer universe type, created the big bang that connects to the multi-verse. I theorize in this 'purer universe', time is different, and people can travel through time. Imagine being able to transfer from state to state but without realising it like we realise this universe.

Seems a bit too anthropomorphic to me.One universe seems like plenty to me, even if don't know much about it.

 

[Narz]

I know a lot.

I know this universe is part of a multi-verse, and someone from a purer universe can peer at fragments of ours.

What's often misinterpreted is the fact that a vessel is experienced. You're not really your vessel, but instead the energy that experiences it.

Afterlife is more probable than not.

What do you mean when you say "I know"?

 

[xwyhzol]

What do you mean when you say "I know"?

I've been reading my dreams well for some time...

I've been told through my dream of the multi-verse - even my programming dream in the womb explains it.

One universe seems like plenty to me, even if don't know much about it.

One universe lacks originality.

Though the size of this universe is massive being a part of it is a realisation not all experience - rather it exists through a lens that shows our universe as a 'dark zone'.

Obviously, purer simulations can exist. We experience dreams and in them is the creative energy that may help to create a purer simulation.

 

[Birdjaguar]

One universe lacks originality.

Though the size of this universe is massive being a part of it is a realisation not all experience - rather it exists through a lens that shows our universe as a 'dark zone'.

Obviously, purer simulations can exist. We experience dreams and in them is the creative energy that may help to create a purer simulation.

None of these make sense to me. Our single universe seems like a definition of originality. the two following need further elaboration on your part, please.

 

[Commodore]

Wait a minute. If I am understanding this thread correctly, then it looks like what you guys are talking about means Warhammer 40k may not be as ridiculous as it appears. In 40k, numerous species (most notably Orks and, to a lesser degree, humans) are able to effect tangible and significant changes to physical reality through belief alone. Two examples of this would be Ork vehicles that are painted red "go faster" than ones that aren't simply because the Orks believe "red ones are faster" and the birth of the four Chaos Gods. Those gods were born from the emotional states of all sapient life in the galaxy (with some exceptions) and are fueled and made stronger through belief and acts of worship.

Obviously the real universe isn't going to operate at 40k levels with this, but is the above kinda the general concepts we are discussing here?

 

[Patine]

Wait a minute. If I am understanding this thread correctly, then it looks like what you guys are talking about means Warhammer 40k may not be as ridiculous as it appears. In 40k, numerous species (most notably Orks and, to a lesser degree, humans) are able to effect tangible and significant changes to physical reality through belief alone. Two examples of this would be Ork vehicles that are painted red "go faster" than ones that aren't simply because the Orks believe "red ones are faster" and the birth of the four Chaos Gods. Those gods were born from the emotional states of all sapient life in the galaxy (with some exceptions) and are fueled and made stronger through belief and acts of worship.

Obviously the real universe isn't going to operate at 40k levels with this, but is the above kinda the general concepts we are discussing here?

Personally, I think they're off their rockers and suffering immensely from wishful thinking, as my earlier post somewhat alluded to.

 

[xwyhzol]

None of these make sense to me. Our single universe seems like a definition of originality. the two following need further elaboration on your part, please.

It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you; what matters is your logic is flawed - and logic speaks for itself.

What's original about 'one universe' in the context of formats of existence?

There is nothing original about one universe, in that context.

There are many possible formats of existence that are, to you, void.

Is the universe is packed with enough content to preserve originality?

That's a different context - but yes - preserved within the atomic universe is lots of originality.

I know the multi-verse exists, because it's the scientific progression that resulted in the creation of our universe.

If you knuckle it down to the very first existence, is likely not the big bang; ye of little faith might think otherwise existing in such a place with such a highly illogical image of the past; then you can predict that there is progression of simulation, evolution, it currently produces universe's like this one and that's all we know unless some of us have deeper connections with 'up there'.

Do you think that this universe is for the pleasure of the species that exist within it, and it 'popped up randomly'?

It's not - species external to our universe may exploit this for science, or other.

Imagine all the scientific data that can be gained by creating such a universe - to you is null - but to me is real.

Obviously it was created to discover new ways to improve simulation as a whole.

Species has never been about one, and our universe is more likely one of many, and that is logic.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

my conclusion wouldn't be that any psychic phenomena were real, but that we exist in someone else's simulation.

no offense, but that is in my opinion just a regress into creationism. which might be part of the reason why it feels so logical, comfortable, plausible to people. it merely reassures our preconceived notions. in fact most popular theories of simulation, excluding Baudrillards, are just updated creationism. I see absolutely no difference between Matrix "brain in vats" style simulation and "god created the earth in 7 days".

"Purer universe" theory is just dressed-up, modern, non-mystical, pseudo-scientific, re-packaged Gnostic thinking. I am NOT a Gnostic.

yes, also agree with this. and I also think that, like with simulation, both the idea of a "pure universe" and the "multiverse" (as seen on, for example, rick and morty) are also decidedly popular because they fill a psychological niche. in the case of the multiverse, it is just a logical conclusion of our belief that all life is worth living, so we imagine a universe where literally every possible life you could think of does exist. I am not saying that this means multiverse is not a valid theory, it might be. but its popularity is due to this psychological niche, imo.

Personally, I think they're off their rockers and suffering immensely from wishful thinking, as my earlier post somewhat alluded to.

quite uncalled for to claim people are insane simply for offering their opinions about our universe, I wonder where that hostility comes from. and then I read

It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you; what matters is your logic is flawed - and logic speaks for itself.

why is it always the most cryptic people that champion "logic" and then proceed to disprove themselves, or not even use the word correctly?

Seems a bit too anthropomorphic to me.

That would be precisely my criticism, yeah. Almost all ideas in the same regard are.

 

[Narz]

I've been reading my dreams well for some time...

I've been told through my dream of the multi-verse - even my programming dream in the womb explains it

How do you know your dreams are real?

I've had some wild dreams (and psychadelic visions) that feel very, very real and profound but I have no way to know whether they actually contain real insight or just feel that way.

That would be precisely my criticism, yeah. Almost all ideas in the same regard are.

I don't see why anthropomorphic views of the universe and necessarily false.

Pretty much all spirituality I've ever seen has an anthromophic bent to it. I don't think humans can help themselves. We want to feel like the whole universe is our brother (a bit healthier than our mommy or daddy or maybe more hubristic). From animism on up it's all making the universe a little more like us.

 

[xwyhzol]

Dreams are real, they happen. What are dreams?

Not to be taken scientifically, but both creatively and scientifically. Thus, they are not only the product of mind, but also environment.

Dreams react with the energy side, inflating energy and creating instances.