Global Consciousness Project

I just file this kind of thing under "secular" religions. People just want to believe in something big and mysterious. And now that the world is explored and outer space too far away seemingly forever, the escape is this kind of thing...
 
The major difference between a simulation hypothesis and Creationism is that one of them doesn't need to claim that the creator is good or even the arbiter of morality.

My major objection as an atheist to various theories of God is that they think that God is good or that She cares about us.
 
I don't see why anthropomorphic views of the universe and necessarily false.

Pretty much all spirituality I've ever seen has an anthromophic bent to it. I don't think humans can help themselves. We want to feel like the whole universe is our brother (a bit healthier than our mommy or daddy or maybe more hubristic). From animism on up it's all making the universe a little more like us.

They aren't, we agree about that. Also agree on the second part. Obviously our view of the universe is anthropocentric, how could it not be? Our only "modus operandi", our only way of thinking and experiencing, is decidedly human. I don't mean to say these ideas are wrong because they're biased, I was just saying that their popularity often comes from filling psychological niches, like with Rick and Morty style multiverse. The same could be said of almost any great thinker. To some degree we always interweave our own psychology into our overaching philosophy.

So, in another sense my point is this: A (scientific) theory that caters to human psychological needs is not necessarily false just because it has a human bias. However, which theory ends up dominating our public and scientific Paradigm (in the sense of Thomas Kuhn) is often a function not of validity and scientific rigor, but of human psychology. Imho, that is one reason why Christianity was so successful and swept away many other faiths. Because it really resonated with what people were experiencing, thinking, anxious about, what people really wanted answers to. Not necessarily because Christianity ever had the right answer, but the most compelling ones. This doesn't just go for religion, any (scientific) theory that to some degree mirrors the contemporary and the human condition will usually end up more popular than those who don't.

I just file this kind of thing under "secular" religions. People just want to believe in something big and mysterious. And now that the world is explored and outer space too far away seemingly forever, the escape is this kind of thing...

Black holes are big and mysterious, too, are they also part of a secular religion?
 
The major difference between a simulation hypothesis and Creationism is that one of them doesn't need to claim that the creator is good or even the arbiter of morality.

My major objection as an atheist to various theories of God is that they think that God is good or that She cares about us.

Those two are certainly not entailed in creationism in general, they are specific to the Abrahamic religions and even there it is doubtful to some degree. I doubt Hindu deities are seen as exclusively good nor evil, iirc the creators of the universe are seen as diametrically opposed primordial forces, not necessarily even as conscious entities with a will and a motive. Most of the gods have different "forms", often combining good and evil in one deity. Again, I dk much about Hindu mythology, but I do know of many creation myths where the creator is neither "the good" nor omniscient nor the arbiter of morality.
 
Iirc, Hinduism doesn't suffer from the problem of evil. It's also incredibly diverse, such that catch all statements are basically asking to be disproven
 
Evil is the form of stupidity, considered state shifting - you evil-shift - stupidly. It can also be a state, or a sub-state.

good is a lot more than the antithesis of evil.
 
Dreams are real, they happen. What are dreams?

Not to be taken scientifically, but both creatively and scientifically. Thus, they are not only the product of mind, but also environment.

Dreams react with the energy side, inflating energy and creating instances.
What do you mean creating instances?

You mean dreams alter reality?
 
Evil is the form of stupidity, considered state shifting - you evil-shift - stupidly. It can also be a state, or a sub-state.
But evil often prospers so how is it "stupid"?

good is a lot more than the antithesis of evil.
Agree on that.

It's a pretty difficult distinction. Is a kind word enabling bad behavior good or evil? A harsh one condemning someone? It's hard to know the consequences of our actions. Some say it all comes down to intention but I find that a weak definition, the road to hell and all that.

I'd say good requires more than just good intentions but a strong desire to understand and WORK towards the well being of self and others.
 
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Yes, not all lives are fair, some genetics will find being good easier. So it's also to some degree, personal.

The very beginning of existence is solvable but not soluble metaphorically, you can know, but cannot relive like a fading photograph.

You can predict and construct a reasonable explanation.

It's just the fact we commonly think, and then was the big bang.
 
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Any more RNG's I can smash ?
 
Let's begin with some guidelines so we can stay oriented.
Opinions: Things someone believes to be true or have value but that may or may not be rooted in observation, logic, thoughtfulness or experience.
Common sense: The collective "wisdom" of a cultural group that is often accepted as true.
Logic: a set of rules for thinking through problems after one has agreed upon some basic axioms

I would like you to post your pathway to logical conclusions and the axioms that are its foundations. Thanks.

It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you; what matters is your logic is flawed - and logic speaks for itself.
Since my only statement so far in this thread was "Our single universe seems like a definition of originality." that is what you must be calling flawed logic. The logical thinking behind that statement was not revealed, so I find it unlikely that you have any logical basis to find my thinking flawed. If you are going to claim that your logic is somehow superior or better or more thoughtful than that of others, please explain to me and the rest of us what you mean by logic and the pathways you follow to conclude what you claim as truth.

What's original about 'one universe' in the context of formats of existence?
There are many possible formats of existence that are, to you, void.
What are "formats of existence"? The term is new to me. How do you know what I think or what I find to be "void"?

There is nothing original about one universe, in that context.
What context? Do you mean that in our 21st C world the idea of a single universe is not original because in the past the idea has been put forth? I certainly do claim to be the first person to espouse such an idea, but from a universal perspective an infinite, expanding, physical universe of discrete evolving things is pretty unique and creative.

Is the universe is packed with enough content to preserve originality?
We know very little about the full content of the universe and we do keep getting surprised.

That's a different context - but yes - preserved within the atomic universe is lots of originality.
Does this contradict some of what you said above?

I know the multi-verse exists, because it's the scientific progression that resulted in the creation of our universe.
And what is the source of that knowledge? Typically, human knowledge comes from things we learn from others; observation and experimentation; and experience. Where does your come from and is it something other than those three?

If you knuckle it down to the very first existence, is likely not the big bang; ye of little faith might think otherwise existing in such a place with such a highly illogical image of the past; then you can predict that there is progression of simulation, evolution, it currently produces universe's like this one and that's all we know unless some of us have deeper connections with 'up there'.
I am curious about what you replace the Big bang with and how you know that your thoughts are the true ones. Again, I do not know what a "progression of simulation" is. Please explain.

Do you think that this universe is for the pleasure of the species that exist within it, and it 'popped up randomly'?
No and likely.

It's not - species external to our universe may exploit this for science, or other.
Imagine all the scientific data that can be gained by creating such a universe - to you is null - but to me is real.
Obviously it was created to discover new ways to improve simulation as a whole.
Species external to our universe? Please explain how you have reached the conclusion that this is true or even possibly true. First, I don't think you know my opinion and second, lots of sci fi writers have tackled this question and found many different answers. Obvious? To whom based on what.

Species has never been about one, and our universe is more likely one of many, and that is logic.
There is not logic or logical progression to this or anything else in your post. Please read my statement above.

If we are to have an actual discussion about this interesting topic, you will have to do better at explaining what you mean and how you arrived at your conclusions. I look forward to more of your posts. :)
 
Yes, not all lives are fair, some genetics will find being good easier. So it's also to some degree, personal.

The very beginning of existence is solvable but not soluble metaphorically, you can know, but cannot relive like a fading photograph.

You can predict and construct a reasonable explanation.

It's just the fact we commonly think, and then was the big bang.
I think that the theory about the big bang was actually based on "predictions and reasonable explanations". A scientific methodology was used. And while such a theory may not be accepted by all, do you have a better model that explains the origin of the universe and can you support it with actual evidence and logical thought?
 
quite uncalled for to claim people are insane simply for offering their opinions about our universe, I wonder where that hostility comes from. and then I read.

The term "off one's rocker" is not always used in modern parlance to indicate insanity (in fact, only in a minority of current usages - terms involving "chiropteran excrements" seem much more popular for slang involving true insanity nowadays), but the idiom I used is much more often just used for outlandish, bizarre, or unworkable ideas or proposed actions.
 
Genuinely surprised to learn that something called "Global Consciousness Project" is not a cult.

...It's not a cult, right?

Sure is not ! Join in , You just have to get rid of those worldly desires You have, just dump all You have into our account ! We're happy to oblige ! =)
 
I can also sell a Golden Gate Bridge !

It's a bargain ! :lol:
 
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