Global Fascism

[Berzerker]

I imagine I'm not using the term properly, so if you prefer some other term (maybe "corporatism") feel free to say so.

Wiki says fascism arose in response to the total war witnessed by 20th century Europe where citizens (and everything basically) were 'required' to become part of the military apparatus. In my definition fascism is a union of government and business with the goal of furthering both at the expense of others.

And whatever you want to call it, it will be the ruin of us. We're killing the planet and it aint "3rd world primitives" doing the deed, their traditional lifestyles are helping save the planet. And corporations are not happy with traditional lifestyles, tradition says land is sacred - dont mess it up.

But corporations are sharks in a feeding frenzy. They want us to consume and they want to consume unobtainium (or whatever) and they'll buy off dictators to steal people's resources and pollute their lands.

And ultimately its we the people who are responsible. We elect politicians who take $$$ from corporations and then we're surprised the Donald Trumps of the world can use eminent domain to remove people from their homes so he can build a parking garage for his casino limos.

We want that oil, or gas, or whatever... And we'll get it one way or another. We have ways of making you hand it over... How about a school or hospital in exchange for your resources? Or... We could get a bit nasty.

 

[Domen]

their traditional lifestyles are helping save the planet.

Where do you see "traditional lifestyles" in the 3rd world? Maybe in several villages in the remotest corners of jungles. Many of the world's largest cities are now located in the 3rd world. They are also undergoing rapid industrialization like Europe in the 19th century and hence they are called "developing states".

 

[Borachio]

Fascism, classically, is an economic system in which the power elite, variously termed the oligarchy, plutocracy, or ruling class, employ the police power of the State to enforce the economic domination of privately owned cartels and corporations, industrial and financial. From its inception in 1922, under Mussolini, through the Reagan and Thatcher '80s, fascism has been associated with nationalism, since fascist states (including the "friendly" or "fireside chat" version practiced in the U.S. since Roosevelt's New Deal) have continually relied upon patriotic nationalism to enforce enthusiasm from the people.

Anarchists in Barcelona who participated in the revolution in Catalonia in 1936-37 during the Spanish Civil War, realized that the Third International (Commintern), and the financiers of European fascism both had headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. They found it went even deeper than that. At the top, key members of the Genevan oligarchy and other Internationalists presided over a kind of interlocking directorate. The Spanish Anarcho-Syndicalists described the effect of this pincer movement in Spain as two millstones, Communism and Fascism, grinding the Spanish people like corn.

A careful analysis of the money trail shows that the driving force behind the push for world government today is the power of multinational cartels: media, food, grain, industrial, mineral, oil and pharmaceutical, and their interlocking international prime banks operating through the Trilateral financial centers of London, New York and Tokyo, globally operating from the smaller hub of Basel-Zurich-Geneva.

Since 1990, when George Bush brought the phrase "New World Order" out of the closet (it was Adolf Hitler's pet phrase first) we have entered a new phase. The push for world government of, for, and by the transnational cartels is on in earnest. The globalists, being thoroughly multi-partisan, have continued to implement the agenda of their New World Order under Clinton, even while utilizing the right-wing in America to attack Clinton as a "socialist." This scenario has had the net effect of moving the whole dialectic further in the direction of universal fascism.

The multinationals have co-opted the language of Internationalism and are hastening the demise of nationalism because they wish to "globalize" the economies of all nations and "Balkanize" nation-states, breaking them down into provinces or bio-regions, the better to loot them of their mineral resources. This is the real explanation for the horror that has overtaken the former Yugoslavia.

Oil profits and mineral revenues are not all that is at stake. Iraq was targeted in the Gulf War because the Globalists must divide, conquer, or co-opt the Arab nations, who form the main bloc of resistance to the implementation of their intended new global money-system.

This will be a dollar-denominated, computer-monitored, debit-card, bar-code credit system, further institutionalizing the myth of the international debt structure and binding the peoples of the world to fascistic economic bondage. No one will be able to buy or sell without a credit number. The First World finance capitalists are out to impose "dollar imperialism" and the hegemony of the multinational cartels upon the whole world. Liberals, who look to the UN as a panacea, are largely ignorant of the economic realities of the World Bank/IMF, the core financial institution under the UN umbrella. The capital pool of the IMF, the prime banks of the First World, are privately owned corporations which have franchised themselves to create "credit money" out of thin air. These banks utilize the IMF as a front to exact interest back in raw materials from the Third World-a sophisticated development of paper neo-colonialism in the electronic age.

The "New Age" movement is being promoted as a "soft" or counter-cultural wing (essentially, the spiritual liturgy) of the New World Order in order to co-opt elements of society who are concerned with environmental issues and are opposed to imperialist aggression, but who have accepted the dialectic that globalism is the positive antithesis to nationalism, and that nationalism, not finance, is the cause of all wars.

Stanford Research International (SRI) in Menlo Park, the largest think tank on the West Coast, does contract research for the CIA, Bechtel, Kaiser, and 400 other corporations. SRI is actively promoting "New Age" consciousness. SRI was founded in 1946 by Stephen Bechtel of Bechtel Corporation, the biggest military-industrial contractor in the world. Bechtel also funds the Hoover Institution at Stanford, which promoted Ronald Reagan for president. The symbiotic relationship between SRI and the Hoover Institution, as the "left" and "right" wings of Bechtel is an example of how the power elite, through their co-opted think tank academics, are employing the Hegelian method (thesis-antithesis-synthesis) to create conflict and change, and implement by degrees their "New World Order," also called the "New Age." This is what is known as dialectics.

MARK EVANS

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/nwo_new_age_fasicsm.htm

Well, I don't know.

Isn't this all kind of inevitable, though?

 

[Perfection]

Maybe we should just invest more in nuclear and renewable energy?

 

[Tahuti]

In my definition fascism is a union of government and business with the goal of furthering both at the expense of others.

First of all, the union of government and business thing is corporatism, which is but an aspect of fascism, and is also present in ideologies that are incompatible with fascism, such as social democracy and political Catholicism. It is not necessarily at the expense of other either, and labour may actually benefit tremendously from the union as well - as seen in modern-day Germany.

What distinguishes Fascism from other ideologies is its view of the nation as the ultimate political formation. Thus, global fascism is a contridictio in terminis, until we meet space aliens. Likewise, regional identities are suppressed by fascism as well.

 

[Borachio]

But hang on just a minute. National identities are "regional" identities, aren't they?

I can't see why you can't have global fascism. Unless you demand that fascism can only exist in contradistinction to the Other living in a recognizably different geographical area. It's not clear to me that this is necessarily so.

 

[FredLC]

While what you describe is, indeed, a problem, and a serious one at that, I would not use the loaded word "fascism", with its nationalistic, militaristic, and political connotations (specially authoritarism), to describe that.

Sounds to me more as a form of corporative oligarchy, working as a cartel; it's not nationalistic at all, for works with no boundaries and no concerns for what it sees as best for the country; it is not militaristic, using "soft" domination through economic prevalence; it isn't political, in the classical sense, for it does not wish to take control of society, it would be happy to stay profiting in the sidelines, and concerns itself with politics only as a function of the maintaining of their profits.

Regards .

 

[Tahuti]

But hang on just a minute. National identities are "regional" identities, aren't they?

I can't see why you can't have global fascism. Unless you demand that fascism can only exist in contradistinction to the Other living in a recognizably different geographical area. It's not clear to me that this is necessarily so.

Regional identities = Subnational identities

Naturally, things get a little blurry when those used to be independent states like in the case of Scotland.

 

[Borachio]

There's a big element of the political in corporatism, though. Corporations are getting so big and powerful that no national government can afford to ignore the wishes of the biggest.

The lines are blurring. And with the global military industrial complexes dominating the world it's beginning to look an awful lot like fascism. In some ways.

 

[Tahuti]

There's a big element of the political in corporatism, though. Corporations are getting so big and powerful that no national government can afford to ignore the wishes of the biggest.

The lines are blurring. And with the global military industrial complexes dominating the world it's beginning to look an awful lot like fascism. In some ways.

The increasing influence of corporations is hardly surprising. Democratically elected parliaments are too slow to react to the influence of corporations which is further augmented by advances in infrastructure. The most obvious alternative would be for the state to nationalise corporations, though most Western states already have been outmaneouvred politically for that to ever happen. Russia and Israel are probably the only Western polities where the state is relatively autonomous from multinationals, and both have achieved so by employing their security establishment as nationalist civil society organisations.

So bottomline is that in the West, in terms of political ability (i.e. gaining and maintaining political power), corporations have become more capable entities than states which have succumbed to decadence, except those where the military establishment has power. Nations need a powerful military establishment that is able to override the interests of multinationals, and in the West, only Russia and Israel have that. The Netherlands and the UK for instance, have all lost this, sadly. Interestingly, the very thought correlates with the larger prestige granted to soldiers (Kshatriyas) over the businessmen (Vaishyas) in the Hindu caste system.

 

[FredLC]

Yes, of course corporations are political entities. That is why I was careful to say that they aren't political in the classical sense; they are not aspiring to become heads of state. They are more than happy with being completely disconected with that whole deal, and act as special interest groups, handling only what directly concerns their deals and their profits.

Regards .

 

[Tahuti]

Yes, of course corporations are political entities. That is why I was careful to say that they aren't political in the classical sense; they are not aspiring to become heads of state. They are more than happy with being completely disconected with that whole deal, and act as special interest groups, handling only what directly concerns their deals and their profits.

Regards .

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 'zakencabinet' (a business government, where the ministers are corporate figures) in the Netherlands some day. Especially if the PVV were to become the largest party in parliament, since Geert Wilders would have absolutely zero credibility as prime minister.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I don't really see what traditional lifestyles have to do with it. Ordinary people in the third world are contributing less to humanity's demise because they don't have the means to, but their upper classes are every bit as decadent as ours. Maybe evem more so. I am sure that most people in Mali would have 24/7 airconditioning if they could afford it.
If you want to help, the first step is to not play this game. Don't replace your phone/TV/stereo if the old one still works, or at least limit yourself to one new appliance every five years. If you want a faster PC, first check if you can replace this or that component instead of buying a new system.
I see some people getting a new phone every year, and I think it is complete madness. I find it ethically unacceptable. Even without the environmental problems and hellish work conditions, it's still an unjustifiable waste of resources. When did this insanity start ? I don't remember people being so obsessed with new stuff two decades ago.

 

[Kyriakos]

Global fascism= WH40K

 

[Domen]

This is fascism! Speeding up films to have more time for commercials (English subs):


Link to video.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I skip the OP's reasoning. Let's get straight to it.
The OP is nuts. It also is true.
International agreements are THE SHEET. That means they are the VERY REAL latest trend dictating domestic policy. NAFTA, TTIP... whatevery. And those agreements very much seem to be marked by the interest of multi-national cooperatives. That is no tell, but plain reality. That is no dream. Just have a close look at the EU. God, the EU is so desected by corporate interest it is ridiculous how plain it is. Just have a look at ANY report on the matter. And TTIP is ruled by corporate interests – not even German national media can manage to paint it any different. And there is no freaking room for silly exaggerations any more. It is glass clear.

Economic needs have always ruled the world, Marx got that one right. And right now, the advocates of the needs of the world-wide group of ruling companies is establishing itself as an political power. This is not me telling you so. This is the simple reality of the talks of those "trade agreements". I can't even be bothered to lay it out it. Just educate yourself on the matter. It is so plain any goofy can get it right.

The thing is - this all is a very excepted trend of world economics. Cooperations dominating international relations - you need no conspiracy for that. That is how the game is rigged in its most basic structures. Every nation will be coerced by international trade pressures to give in to it. And no citizen will have actually agreed to the whole thing. It just will be what we got. What cooperations have advanced. And we won't even question it, but nod to the economic wisdom of it. That is the reality we live in. Since the wisdom holds true. Since cooperations control everything. And politics nothing. Yeeha

 

[Berzerker]

Where do you see "traditional lifestyles" in the 3rd world? Maybe in several villages in the remotest corners of jungles. Many of the world's largest cities are now located in the 3rd world.

Cities pop up and disappear as they deplete and ruin nearby resources, global fascism will remove resources from other lands if and when the "nation" needs them. That means raiding other peoples lands where tradition considers the land sacred or worthy of respect.

Well, I don't know.

Isn't this all kind of inevitable, though?

My God, I have seen the enemy and its me. My dad worked for Bechtel and knew Steve. I even got a job with them.

First of all, the union of government and business thing is corporatism, which is but an aspect of fascism, and is also present in ideologies that are incompatible with fascism, such as social democracy and political Catholicism. It is not necessarily at the expense of other either, and labour may actually benefit tremendously from the union as well - as seen in modern-day Germany.

I was thinking more about how fascists would seek resources for its machines from people who dont want corporations digging up their land. Kinda like Avatar I guess.

What distinguishes Fascism from other ideologies is its view of the nation as the ultimate political formation. Thus, global fascism is a contridictio in terminis, until we meet space aliens. Likewise, regional identities are suppressed by fascism as well.

In a world of nation states, nationalism is just a tool to enforce compliance. The big money doesn't care about that stuff, it needs fuel for the machines. If that means sending the army to get it, then the big money needs nationalism.

While what you describe is, indeed, a problem, and a serious one at that, I would not use the loaded word "fascism", with its nationalistic, militaristic, and political connotations (specially authoritarism), to describe that.

If you have a resource wanted by corporations, all three will be used to get it.

Sounds to me more as a form of corporative oligarchy, working as a cartel; it's not nationalistic at all, for works with no boundaries and no concerns for what it sees as best for the country; it is not militaristic, using "soft" domination through economic prevalence; it isn't political, in the classical sense, for it does not wish to take control of society, it would be happy to stay profiting in the sidelines, and concerns itself with politics only as a function of the maintaining of their profits.

I agree the big money rejects borders, fascism goes global

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 'zakencabinet' (a business government, where the ministers are corporate figures) in the Netherlands some day.

Seems like our finance bureaucrats are always Wall St veterans

I don't really see what traditional lifestyles have to do with it. Ordinary people in the third world are contributing less to humanity's demise because they don't have the means to, but their upper classes are every bit as decadent as ours. Maybe evem more so. I am sure that most people in Mali would have 24/7 airconditioning if they could afford it.

True, people are people... But tradition is an obstacle. Tradition says the land is sacred, tread lightly. Tradition says greed is bad, and so on.

If you want to help, the first step is to not play this game. Don't replace your phone/TV/stereo if the old one still works, or at least limit yourself to one new appliance every five years. If you want a faster PC, first check if you can replace this or that component instead of buying a new system. I see some people getting a new phone every year, and I think it is complete madness. I find it ethically unacceptable. Even without the environmental problems and hellish work conditions, it's still an unjustifiable waste of resources. When did this insanity start ? I don't remember people being so obsessed with new stuff two decades ago.

Consume, dont watch the planet become a graveyard

 

[Domen]

dont watch the planet become a graveyard

Planets have far longer lifespans than humans, so don't worry.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

This is fascism! Speeding up films to have more time for commercials (English subs):

What's far worse -because far more comon- is that ads are so much louder than normal videos on youtube. This practice is banned on TV -denazification and all-, but on the internet the fascists can do what they want.

Planets have far longer lifespans than humans, so don't worry.

The planet will be here for a couple of billion years, but when the humans are dead it will be a graveyard.

 

[Sommerswerd]

No matter how long we keep this planet viable and "healthy" it will ultimately be a moot point when the Sun dies out. Global conservation is not the endgame... The real issue in terms of the perpetuation of the species is how we are gonna' get the hell off this rock and get another one, which we can promptly start screwing up.

I suggest you all go buy Civ BE and start practicing.