Global savepoint ? When would you reload ?

If you had the chance to go back in time, when and what would you change ?
Obviously any human in their right mind would say "before we split off from Bonobos", so we need some limitations to make it less boring or predictable.
Let's assume you can go back in time (mentally or physically, doesn't matter) to the date of your birth minus your current age. If you're 19 and born in 2000 you can go back to 1981, if you're 59 and born in1960 you can go back to 1901. That's the upper (lower?) limit. A 19 year old can't go back before 2000, but they can go back to any day after they were born.

What would you change when and why ?

Another thing: The change has to be globally/historically significant.
Hm. I can go back to 1908. Since others have called dibs on preventing World War I, how about I prevent the sinking of the Titanic? I have no idea what that would do to history (some good, some bad, no doubt) - but nobody else has mentioned it yet.

Obviously 1071. If that save is lost then any of the manuel komnenos savepoints. Failing even that, at least ged rid of monkeys near the father of mad constantine glucksburg.
I realize that some of us are technically old enough to be considered senior citizens, but I don't think any of us are that old!

Ok... minus... carry the one...

Oh great, that's... well, let's say "moderatly useful".

But hey, i could meet my avatar.
Who is your avatar? :confused:
 
I think I would go to Yugoslavia at some point in the fifties an try to talk Milovan Đilas out of publishing those articles that got him in trouble.
Dude was fairly liberal and could have been a possible successor for Tito. but he misread the politiccal climate and came out too strongly against the system. accusing the party of creating a class system with themselves at the top. He was right, but should have kept those opinions for himself. A wealthier and more democratic socialist country would have saved the world a lot of trouble.
 
I am I think very pessimistic about changing the deeper lying currents that changed our civilisation over the past decades, by top-down interventions.
Perhaps from reading the Foundation Trilogy of Asimov.

If I would time machine me to Dallas, and would have precvented that assassination of Kennedy... would that have prevented the neo-liberal boost on capitalism ?
IDK

If I would time machine me to Vienna in 1907, and made sure that the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna would have granted Adolf Hitler entrance. And would in subsequent years bought some paintings of him and introduced him as a Grand Artist to the Vienna elite...
Hitler neutralised.
Would that have prevented a fascist Germany after the loss of WW1 and the economical crisis ?
Fascism as philosophy was everywhere in Europe, at first among the intellectuals, and Mussolini was there in implementing it.
So.. would Mussolini have to be neutralised as well to stop fascism ?
IDK
And even if both were stopped... perhaps that would have caused a less violent manifestation of that time spirit, no WW2,
=> no purging process of fascism after WW2 because we could recognise, from coming into supreme power, it's full consequences.

But neutralising Hitler would for sure have been good to save so many lifes.

What still itches me in that scenario:
Would Stalin not anyhow have marched westward to conquer the more prosperous western countries, starting to restore the Russian Czarist empire in East-centre-Europe, and sacrificing the blood under the revolutionary banner of freedom from capitalism.

Kind of weird that Napoleon was a Corsican, who was not satisfied being in charge of the first country he personal conquered, France, and accepted no borders in his further conquest.
And that Hitler was an Austrian, who was not satisfied with Germany and wanted more
And that Stalin was a Georgian (close to that other far away dot Azerbaijan), was not satisfied with Russia and wanted more.
None of them cared about the oceans of blood they shed of the soldiers of the first country they "conquered".

So now what ?
Neutralising Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin to have peace in Europe ?
 
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Given unlimited timespan, sometime around the late mesolithic. We were onto a good thing, supplementing out hunting and foraging with a bit of horticultural and light pastoralism, but then we screwed it up with grain states and priest-kings and all that bad stuff.

Given the restrictions in the OP... It would be nice if 1968 went a bit differently, in Paris and in Prague. I'm not necessarily in the camp that believes that we were a fortnight from Full Luxury Space Communism if only the unions hadn't choked, but the possibility of a renewed European socialism, or even a Western-Central European Non-Aligned bloc to put a damper on Cold War shenanigans, is a nice idea.

Given the restrictions in the OP, and the assumption that we're talking about me personally travelling back in time and making whatever changes a time-travelling millenial with no connections or resources is likely to make... I would immediately be arrested as a Soviet spy and die in prison of some 1960s strain of influenza that I had no immunity to.
 
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Given the restrictions in the OP... It would be nice if 1968 went a bit differently, in Paris and in Prague. I'm not necessarily in the camp that believes that we were a fortnight from Full Luxury Space Communism if only the unions hadn't choked, but the possibility of a renewed European socialism, or even a Western-Central European Non-Aligned bloc to put a damper on Cold War shenanigans, is a nice idea.

That would be my goal.

Given the restrictions in the OP, and the assumption that we're talking about me personally travelling back in time and making whatever changes a time-travelling millenial with no connections or resources is likely to make... I would immediately be arrested as a Soviet spy and die in prison of some 1960s strain of influenza that I had no immunity to.

I thought you would get yourself arrested in the Soviet Union for telling them how they're doing socialism wrong.
 
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I think I would go to Yugoslavia at some point in the fifties an try to talk Milovan Đilas out of publishing those articles that got him in trouble.
Dude was fairly liberal and could have been a possible successor for Tito. but he misread the politiccal climate and came out too strongly against the system. accusing the party of creating a class system with themselves at the top. He was right, but should have kept those opinions for himself. A wealthier and more democratic socialist country would have saved the world a lot of trouble.

Interesting idea. But I think Djilas knew very well what he was getting into (and it might be worse, he knew what had gone on in the USSR during the purges) and though it necessary to speak up anyway. He was the kind of man who simply could not help himself speaking up, uncompromising on principles. And we need that kind of example, to counter the idea that power inevitably always corrupts and there is nothing to be done. We need to know that there were those who did not go with the flow, even if at the time they lost. I guess I mean... don't take him out of his history, he was more valuable doing what he did.
 
Given unlimited timespan, sometime around the late mesolithic. We were onto a good thing, supplementing out hunting and foraging with a bit of horticultural and light pastoralism, but then we screwed it up with grain states and priest-kings and all that bad stuff.
Sadly, settled agricultural societies and the states they inevitably breed had such a decisive edge over the non-settled peoples that humanity was basically locked into living the rest of its history under some kind of authoritarianism from then on.

I'm probably too young to go back to any other major points of no return. Maybe helping Gore win in 2000 would have prevented a lot of issues, and given us slightly more time before the point of no return for climate change, but not enough.
 
Given the restrictions in the OP, and the assumption that we're talking about me personally travelling back in time and making whatever changes a time-travelling millenial with no connections or resources is likely to make... I would immediately be arrested as a Soviet spy and die in prison of some 1960s strain of influenza that I had no immunity to.

That's why I picked approaching Keynes directly, before he became influential. Figuring that nothing I could do could change the course of capitalism but I could adjust the views of the guy who led the restructuring. I also have the advantage that I really could harness nuclear power well ahead of its time more or less by myself, so the fledgling egalitarian society would be founded on abundant energy for distribution.
 
also Psychohistory would be invalid with time travel.

Asimov did the opposite of time travel back with psychohistory: he had the civilisation changes predicted and by that could intervene with his specialist community to shorten the dark ages to get back to the "good" imperium in a much shorter time.
He believed well chosen interventions would matter.

My take out as concept is that mass scale changes of civilisation are what they are: mass scale forcing effects from averages and common denominators.
And specific interventions only influencing when they influence succesfully the mindsets of the masses.
Looking back at those specific changes the last centuries, most of them were techs, technical inventions. And they are once Science/Engineering was freed, autonome and close to unstoppable.

Going backward in time: when Kennedy won from Nixon. Was that not that TV debate that made the difference ? Kennedy's confident and charming presence into every household livingroom. The TV changed rapidly over time from info to more entertainment, and politicians had to be better in PR. That changed the properties needed for politics and therefore the kind of politics.
Going back further in time with a media tech: when the radio was developed (WW1 important) mass influence became possible to all citizens of a nation. The societal development of increased individual freedom, the need for cohesion back, the need for guidance to unity. And there it was: Mussolini had the radio available to reach with his speeches all citizens, also in the many smaller villages of Italy. Hitler's demagogue speeches to mass manifestations, also on the radio... all citizens united in those moments.
Going back further in time with a media tech: The printing press. Written manuscripts were expensive and for the Church, the academia and the rich. The rate of them in regions coupled to the rate of urbanisation in those regions. The printing press changed that accessability. Not only for the Bible, knowledge and philosophy, but starting in the 16th century also as mass media by pamphlets, first mostly on religious topics infighting. Those pamphlets had a much bigger reach than just the bigger cities.
When William embarked to the UK for the Glorious Revolution, he had with him mobile printing presses, and used them for printing his propaganda pamphlets, tuned to the latest development all the time.
And now we have social media and internet, connecting everybody to everybody, and cyber intelligence and cyber influencing in a rapid.

This simple set of media techs, printing press, radio, TV, internet, social media, their technical development autonome and unstoppable, have changed imo much more than the individual specifics of this or that politician.

I think that techs are the real driving factor, and CIVs are a follower. And currently the speed of techs is much higher than our cultural answers with CIVs.
As much in or out of control as when you are white water rafting.
Once the tech agricultural was developed, we were in the rollercoaster of techs.
At the start the techs went slowly and were still coupled to the individual CIV's. Astronomy here, the wheel there, etc. The Roman Catholic Church for a while an inhibitor of some Science insights and therefore techs.
But with our globalisation of tech exchange, anything developed anywhere is rapidly everywhere for the masses.

This was in fact my take out from the Foundation Trilogy: Influencing anything, like changing history, happens by influencing the masses. The more democratic societies are, the more masses matter. The more consumeristic civilisations are, the more masses matter.
That leaves less room for pinpoint changes by changing individuals in powerful positions. For every Marie le Pen, there is another.
 
Welp, I can go back to 1926... just in time to slip some poison into Stalin's samovar before he got Trotsky kicked out, then take a train west to get in line for the traditional Hitler-killing.
 
Welp, I can go back to 1926... just in time to slip some poison into Stalin's samovar before he got Trotsky kicked out, then take a train west to get in line for the traditional Hitler-killing.

Do not kill Hitler ! According to Hrothbern's post, for every Hitler, there is another Hitler, and the other one could be more competent.
It's extremely dangerous to meddle in the timeline before 1945.
WW2 in the fifties and Nazis with nukes.
:cringe:

But feel free to poison Stalin after the Battle of Stalingrad, and don't forget to frame Beria for it.
 
Would Stalin not anyhow have marched westward to conquer the more prosperous western countries, starting to restore the Russian Czarist empire in East-centre-Europe, and sacrificing the blood under the revolutionary banner of freedom from capitalism.

I think people have thought about this before...


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Do not kill Hitler ! According to Hrothbern's post, for every Hitler, there is another Hitler, and the other one could be more competent.
I was thinking of Stephen Fry's Making History.

It's extremely dangerous to meddle in the timeline before 1945.
I had a similar thought. I think the further back you go, the more unpredictable the consequences would be. I was thinking about the Bush-Gore election in 2000, how close and how crucial the Florida count was, but I can't tell how much of our descent into madness after 9/11 was a direct result of the Bush Administration's behavior and how much was just American foolishness. I was thinking about going back to the early 1990s and somehow helping John O'Neill get his message out better. If you've seen Jeff Daniels in The Looming Tower, that's John O'Neill, but I recommend the October 2002 episode of Frontline, "The Man Who Knew."

EDIT: Again, though, it's hard to theorize how things would have shaken out, even if 9/11 had been prevented. Steering the United States away from how we behaved after 9/11 might be like steering a car with bad alignment - you can do it, but making just one adjustment won't be enough, you have to constantly pull on the wheel to compensate.
 
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TIL that these kinds of questions belong to the "Alternate History"

and that the earliest record of someone doing that at a "global" scale was Livy in the 4th century BC.

The earliest example of alternate (or counterfactual) history is found in Livy's Ab Urbe Condita Libri (book IX, sections 17–19). Livy contemplated an alternative 4th century BC in which Alexander the Great had survived to attack Europe as he had planned; asking, "What would have been the results for Rome if she had been engaged in a war with Alexander?"[9][10][11] Livy concluded that the Romans would likely have defeated Alexander.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_history
 
"Livy concluded that the Romans would likely have defeated Alexander."

Was there really any doubt what a Roman historian would conclude?
 
I'd go back and stop the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986 somehow.

Then we'd all have lots of nuclear power now and global warming would be fixed.
 
"Livy concluded that the Romans would likely have defeated Alexander."

Was there really any doubt what a Roman historian would conclude?

I thought the same :)
Grandstanding.
And for sure Livy was not the first to be affected by that.
 
I'd go back and stop the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986 somehow.

Then we'd all have lots of nuclear power now and global warming would be fixed.

That's a good idea, but runs into the same problem as killing Hitler. The public perception of nuclear power was what it was, and it was inevitable that a "nuclear disaster," even if way smaller than Chernobyl, would eventually provide itself to be seized upon. If you don't go back far enough and find some way to prevent the fossil fuel industrialists from shaping that perception you won't really accomplish anything.

My own approach was to go back far enough to harness nuclear power before the addiction to fossil fuel could really get rolling. I'm thinking that might be the only way such an intervention has a chance at working. Of course, in an effort to pre-create the Chicago pile so I could say "look, when you stack up these blocks they get hot, all by themselves!" I'd likely blow some innocent city off the map, along with myself.
 
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