Global Warming is Stuck in the Ice

[Dale]

Again, where do you think that paragraph and chart are from? You might want to check out page 127 of the final technical summary to find that very same chart.

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_TechnicalSummary.pdf

You still inflated the true values to push your own belief. You've been found out and called out for the obfuscater that you are.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You mean I accurately copied the first column of the chart without any error at all? The table you apparently didn't even know was in the report?

Once again, unlike that wacky website you quoted verbatim without attribution, all I'm merely doing is reporting what the findings actually were, instead of deliberately spinning them to mean something entirely different. You should be careful when you see a single sentence taken out of context, much less over a dozen of them in the same blog article.

 

[Dale]

Not even worth responding to you Form.

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In other news!

Winds change direction, ice pack opens up, and both the Russian and Chinese ships sail out to open water.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/080114_Rescueoperationscomplete.pdf

Event over, close this thread please as it was horribly derailed.

 

[CavLancer]

Mate, when your stuff is frozen solid and clacking together like castanets I'll remind you that you're "lukewarm".

What of the cool phase PDO, the quiet sun?

 

[El_Machinae]

Regardless of whether global warming is actually happening and is man made or not, can we at least all agree it's nowhere near the proportions supposed experts like Al Gore claimed? Ten years ago he was saying polar ice would be completely melted by 2013 as in all gone, no polar ice. He was even close. The issue I have with global warming alarmists is they are not pushing an agenda for the good of the planet but for their own wallets. Al Gore has made a mint off this garbage and scientists need government funding for their projects and preaching apocalypse is how they get it at the expense of tax payers.

As someone who's been formally trained in science popularization (i.e., bringing discoveries to the public), I can agree that I didn't appreciate Gore's efforts. He made too many errors which led to later misunderstandings. One of my FAVORITE popularizations of oceanic carbon is this lecture. It's a very good explanation, it's also very well done from a scientific perspective.
http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Acidic-Oceans-Why-Should-We-Care-Perspectives-on-Ocean-Science-15754

 

[Snorrius]

Has anyone already stated that so-called "global warming" is probably scam or (in the best case) unintented delusion?

At the other side, global warning is not particulary bad for Russia. It is a bit cold here during winters.

 

[Formaldehyde]

As someone who's been formally trained in science popularization (i.e., bringing discoveries to the public), I can agree that I didn't appreciate Gore's efforts.

Manbearpig is my favorite characterization.

Has anyone already stated that so-called "global warming" is probably scam or (in the best case) unintented delusion?

Just the usual global warming deniers.

At the other side, global warning is not particulary bad for Russia. It is a bit cold here during winters.

Look on the bright side. Eventually, Siberia could become a vacation mecca during the summer.

 

[Berzerker]

thats the idea, that land is needed for more food

 

[Yeekim]

Look on the bright side. Eventually, Siberia could become a vacation mecca during the summer.

Dude, there are a lot of obstacles for Siberia becoming a summer vacation mecca, but climate ain't one of them.

 

[Snorrius]

Dude, there are a lot of obstacles for Siberia becoming a summer vacation mecca, but climate ain't one of them.

What are those reasons? I anticipate these times when people from Europe and Asia start to flock in Siberean resorts. There are tons of money to be made!

 

[El_Machinae]

Has anyone already stated that so-called "global warming" is probably scam or (in the best case) unintented delusion?

At the other side, global warning is not particulary bad for Russia. It is a bit cold here during winters.

There will certainly be some winners. The real question is whether its fair to force the changes on the losers. No one would complain if areas in Russia just became more balmy, "good for them" we'd say and keep on driving. The problem is that the changes are going to be both good and bad, and it's a not clear if it's permissible to foist bad changes on others just for your own benefit.

 

[Kyriakos]

As someone who's been formally trained in science popularization (i.e., bringing discoveries to the public), I can agree that I didn't appreciate Gore's efforts. He made too many errors which led to later misunderstandings. One of my FAVORITE popularizations of oceanic carbon is this lecture. It's a very good explanation, it's also very well done from a scientific perspective.
http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Acidic-Oceans-Why-Should-We-Care-Perspectives-on-Ocean-Science-15754

At least Gore invented the Internet, so yeah

 

[timtofly]

There will certainly be some winners. The real question is whether its fair to force the changes on the losers. No one would complain if areas in Russia just became more balmy, "good for them" we'd say and keep on driving. The problem is that the changes are going to be both good and bad, and it's a not clear if it's permissible to foist bad changes on others just for your own benefit.

Isn't that what carbon exchanges do?

 

[El_Machinae]

Yes, basically. They're just agreeing to be an attempt to taper off the foisting over time. So, a carbon exchange will basically say "we allow ourselves to cause X level of pollution, now let us divvy up that permission". The exchange has to ratchet down the permitted levels of pollution to really work. They're a concession to the real world, where stopping carbon emissions cannot be done overnight.

 

[Azale]

Has anyone already stated that so-called "global warming" is probably scam or (in the best case) unintented delusion?

At the other side, global warning is not particulary bad for Russia. It is a bit cold here during winters.

Are you going to put global warming outed as scam [ ] on your sig next?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Dude, there are a lot of obstacles for Siberia becoming a summer vacation mecca, but climate ain't one of them.

Why do you think it is so under-populated?

 

[bhsup]

Why do you think it is so under-populated?

Oh, it's not underpopulated. It's just that it is populated with a fearsome predator that keeps humans away...

The Prowess of Siberian Mosquitoes

Once upon a time in Cherskii, Siberia, a group of ambitious ecology students attempted to better understand the remote and beautiful landscape they had the privilege to visit. Little did they know, there was a predator here long before they arrived. A predator more formidable than a grizzly and more bloodthirsty than a vampire.

The mosquitoes here are out of this world. In the mere seconds after we got of the airplane, they were upon us in hordes. These buzzers are huge. Small aircraft in fact. It is rare that you can leave the sanctuary of indoors without the proper protection. Luckily, they are the dumbest insects under the ever-present arctic sun. If someone couldn’t see what we were incessantly slapping, they would take us for a group of motor-impaired delusional spazzes.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Why do you think it is so under-populated?

Because the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991.


Serious answer, by the way. the Soviets built massive cities all across Siberia, which became important industrial centers for processing all the raw materials and other resources which Siberia offers (including agriculture). The third largest city in Russia is still in Siberia (Novosibirsk).

 

[Kyriakos]

Because the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991.


Serious answer, by the way. the Soviets built massive cities all across Siberia, which became important industrial centers for processing all the raw materials and other resources which Siberia offers (including agriculture). The third largest city in Russia is still in Siberia (Novosibirsk).

I think that some villages in Siberia are somewhat likely to have people who do not know the Soviet Union is no more. I mean that place is around three to four times bigger than Europe. Someone born in the middle of it could go on forever without visiting anything outside.

 

[Snorrius]

Are you going to put global warming outed as scam [ ] on your sig next?

Nope, this topic is not interesting enough for me to do this. Global warming (or let's call it «climate change» as it seems this is becoming global cooling for some) is not something mankind can feasibly control (whether it is anthropogenic or not) so there is not much point to discuss it.