Global warming strikes again...

Well its 12C here in Devon UK.
Merry Christmas everyone
 
Sounds like a nice spring day. Merry Christmas. :)
 
Moroccans however are freezing to death in the snowy Sahara. :dunno:
 
CavLancer said:
Moroccans however are freezing to death in the snowy Sahara. :dunno:
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Look I know this is a page 19 post and you have been told this previous times before this post (I am way too exhausted with human climate change skeptics to read through 19 pages of material that demonstrates global warming is a thing and is caused by humans, promptly dismissed by claims that are dismissed everywhere, constantly, consequentially) - but there can easily be regional variations of the climate change, also a plethora of events that are easy to point towards and go: "How is this happening if climate change is a thing?" The point is that it's easy to point out weather that's inconsistent with the prognosis, but these events, even if numerous, are actually in the vast minority of recorded facts. The vast majority of weather events over a period of several years, supported by scientific theories and a multitude of weather readings, point to the prognosis that climate change is a thing and that humans cause it. This is in spite of weird weather and erratic snow being easy to point to so many places - the fact that the vast majority of data points to human-caused climate change in spite of this should tell you how an insane amount of data we have in favor of climate change. It's that overwhelming.

But you know this. So I'm probably wasting my time here?
 
Sure, whatever works for you, but that doesn't change the fact that some poor buggers just froze to death in the Sahara. :dunno: Not heatstroke mind you, but froze. :brrr:

Might have died thinking, 'Darn, global warming got me, oh well.' but I doubt it.
 
CavLancer said:
Sure, whatever works for you, but that doesn't change the fact that some poor buggers just froze to death in the Sahara. :dunno: Not heatstroke mind you, but froze. :brrr:

Might have died thinking, 'Darn, global warming got me, oh well.' but I doubt it.
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I think the people talking about droughts are pretty weird, it's quite wet where I am.

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Vincour said:
I think the people talking about droughts are pretty weird, it's quite wet where I am.

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Well wet is supposed to be part of the effect of a reduction in solar magnetism. Not wet everywhere I suppose, just like its not cold everywhere.
 
CavLancer said:
Sure, whatever works for you, but that doesn't change the fact that some poor buggers just froze to death in the Sahara. :dunno: Not heatstroke mind you, but froze. :brrr:

Might have died thinking, 'Darn, global warming got me, oh well.' but I doubt it.
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Well, I wouldn't have cared about your lack of understanding about the difference between weather and climate, the problem is that people like you a) probably vote and b) spread bad science to people, both adding to a massive problem which will, if we don't actively work against it, devastate the habitats of future generations. You are ruining human habitats doing what you do.

Anyways, Sahara. First off, I told you about hand-picking counterarguments in a sea of definite proof it's happening. And secondly, you may want to be acquainted to the science past back when people called it global warming. You are aware that the correct term isn't global warming, but climate change? It's because the effects are, in many places, making the weather more erratic before it heats up, and that certain places will most probably cool? There's a reason the US are seeing so many hurricanes at the moment, and there's a very good (read: horrible) chance that Europe will cool due to a messed up Gulf stream. The worst prospects are that Scandinavia will gain the climate of Siberia. The country I live in may be very difficult to inhabit. Many places may become submerged in water, one area being a huge chunk of our capital.

That's what people like you are forcing upon my family's children, and things may get equally terrible in other places. Even if you don't care about places you don't live, prospects are droughts in many of the most populated areas of the world, causing mass migrations, resource deficiency and most probably wars.

Islands are already being submerged in water in the Pacific. People lived there.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Read.

Sadly I couldn't find a particular homepage where hundreds of different denier claims were systemically debunked. But would you really care about that?

EDIT: Hey, I found another page doing the same thing. Go nuts.
http://grist.org/series/skeptics/

Below is a complete listing of the articles in “How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic,” a series by Coby Beck containing responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming.
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I'm sure you'll have your denial answered there. Press CTRL+F and enter your keyword to scan for your questions through your browser.

EDIT2: I'm sorry about the tone being such a bore, but I'm sure you understand why it's as it is. Please, please take a look at the literature and educate yourself.
 
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If you had read the thread you know I'm giving global cooling a chance until the end of next spring. Might be a good thing to go back and read, much of this has been done before. Might answer your questions about why I see things differently. I know that you have bought into warming hook, line and sinker, but some have a different thought process. Go do some reading, save me endlessly repeating myself. Thanks.
 
Well folks get upset and think I'm avoiding their questions. As with Boots, he's a reasonable person, and we had a discussion of our points of view. Lots of people just want to come and call me an idiot for not believing as they do. I assure you Valka I did not come to my pov out of a desire to be popular. :) Those contrary folks can go read the discussions that came before and maybe learn something along the way. I know that since I've started this long journey I've learned a lot. These folks who insult first, I wonder how long they actually spent founding their opinions, or if they are simply trolls. I suppose some are and some aren't. Who to bother replying to takes some sixth sense when so many sound about the same. Yet the assumption must be made that there are reasonable people following the mantra and not knowing other viewpoints, one would hope. I'm open minded. If things don't change before the end of next spring, then I'm wrong about the strength of CO2 in warming. Like to hear what might shake the faith of the AGW crowd. The 'pause' sure didn't, and it should have. CO2 climbing like a rocket and temps slightly decreasing. Was I the only one saying 'well okay then'? Then the pitiful search for a place to put nonexistent heat, and everyone buying into this deep ocean BS. Its like a religion in many ways. Anything the pope says goes, infallibility....
 
Why would anything shake our faith when everything of statistical value confirms our viewpoint? You're acting like we're simply reading some 2000 year old scripture every Sunday while nodding with satisfaction at a gimmick on our walls. The only evidence brought to the table by those who think climate change is a sham happens to be a weekly weather pattern or cherry-picking 5% of a graph to somehow disprove the other 95%. You say that we weren't convinced by "the pause". Why would we be convinced? The world is still heating up. You can't say the sky is green, show us a picture of a blue sky, and then ask us why we're not convinced that the sky is green.
 
Don't worry Vin, I'll not ask you to believe the sky is green. We can agree on this, that the sky is blue. :)
 
That's right, another of the dark side's dire warnings. There was a year a decade or so ago when there was 3 hurricanes. Dire predictions that global warming would make them greater in number and strength! Oh Noes!


Been nearly a decade since the last one. :dunno: At some point it just gets funny. Polar bears? Fifty million climate refugees? Himalayan glaciers gone in a decade? Belly up to the bar folks for "Climate Science's End of the World Thread, the Original'
 
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