GMO's - good or bad?

GMO's


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It seems the US has embraced GMOs (Genetically Modified Organism) while Europe still has extensive policies against them.

What's your opinion about them?
 
Good in principle, bad in practice.

That is to say, it's important to pursue it considering our limited resources and growing population, but how it is done needs more transparency and assessibility for the wider public.
 
GMOs are a technology. A pretty hefty one, with potentially drastic results. Kind of comparable to nuclear technology, in that sense.

On one hand, nuclear technology has provided cheap, efficient, relatively clean power to millions of people around the world. Developments in said field have provided huge breakthroughs in assorted fields of science and medicine that we keep enjoying to this day. On the other hand, nuclear technology has caused massive human and ecological problems through the development of nuclear weapons and the potential side-effects of nuclear technology gone awry.

To ban nuclear technology would be daft, but to embrace it too wholeheartedly makes just as little sense. The same counts for GMOs, in my opinion. It's a technology that could provide food for millions who would otherwise go hungry, or it could cause devastating ecological damage and cement the stranglehold food & seed companies have on agriculture. We should employ this technology, but regulate it very carefully. No other option really makes sense to me.
 
The resistance to GMO is just paranoia. Detractors claim all sorts of dangers, all of which are unproven and speculative at best. What's more is that there seems no amount of evidence that will convince them of safety. That seems to me to be more about a religious faith than reason.
 
Seems to me there's a lot of misconceptions afoot, both in regards to GMOs and for that matter nuclear power. Whether it's due to plain bad "marketing" or overzelous environmentalists who arbitrarily label everything new as bad and dangerous, or a combination of both, I don't know.

I don't have a problem with farming new species of plants, especially if the produce is bigger, lasts longer before spoiling, can be eaten by people with allergies, and so on. There's a nice podcast on the subject here:).

Edit: wondering if I should start a discussion on nuclear power. Anyone remember an existing thread that's not too old that I could necro, or should I just start a new one?
 
I'm in favor of GMOs, but I do have two problems with them:
1. The Monsanto Effect.
2. They are still rather new and untested crops. If we are going to be messing around with our food supply, I want to make absolutely sure that they won't harm it.
 
1. Strictly speaking a political problem more of an issue with GMO technology.

2. Producing new kinds of vegetables, fruits and animals is something we've done for millenia. This is not a new issue, and we have agencies in place whose job it is to test produce to ensure it's safe for human consumption.
 
We simply cannot be sure if they are actually safe. http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/grains-and-cropping/general/europe-rejects-gm-corn-but-australia-has-no-concerns/1675110.aspx
"Following a rigorous safety assessment of genetically modified high lysine corn in 2006, we concluded that it was as safe as its conventional counterpart," the statement said. "We have no safety concerns about this corn."

FSANZ said it had followed the processes outlined by the international food standards-setting body, Codex Alimentarius, which is overseen by the World Trade Organisation.

But Professor Heinemann said Monsanto went against the Codex Alimentarius by using another genetically modified product as the control in its safety studies.

"This violates both international food safety testing guidelines and European rules," he said. "We were the first in the world to point this out and FSANZ chose to ignore it. The European Food Safety Authority didn't."

The European authority also expressed concern that Monsanto had failed to conduct any tests on cooked LY038, which could cause a chemical chain reaction leading led to a higher level of advanced glycation end products, believed to be pathogenic.

Research recently published in the Journal of Endocrinology and Metabolism found that if ingested, these end products could be linked to cardiovascular and chronic kidney diseases. Earlier research has also suggested a link with some cancers and Alzheimer's disease.
 
But if we can't guarantee the safety of GM foods, then the technology is worthless. The proper tests have not been done or we are just going on the companies word. The proper regulations should be in place, but that does not stop them. So governments with lax standards are to blame also and if this was done properly, I doubt that GM would ever be commercially viable in the first place.
 
But if we can't guarantee the safety of GM foods, then the technology is worthless.
If we can't guarantee the safety of GM foods, we can't guarantee the safety of any food, be it GMO, conventional or "organic". If safety tests and statistics aren't good enough for you when applied to GMO produce, logically they're not good enough on any other kind of produce, either.

So governments with lax standards are to blame also and if this was done properly, I doubt that GM would ever be commercially viable in the first place.
The other food producers survives being scrutinized, I doubt GMO companies would be any different.
 
GMOs can be good or bad. I'm generally not in favor of modifying crops just so that they can withstand levels of pesticides/herbicides that would kill nearly any other lifeform, or in designing crops so that farmers cannot use the seeds from one year's harvest instead of being forced to buy more.
 
GMOs can be good or bad.
As can any other human endavour. Dams can be used as weapons to kill hundreds of thousands of people. Airliners can be hijacked and used as "manned cruise missiles". Crude oil can be turned into napalm. A kitchen knife can stab someone to death.
 
I think it's too soon yet to use GMO,because our knowledge about how Genes influence organisms is tiny. Being a blind biologist trying to modificate one of the most complex things in the universe is certainly unpredictable.
 
Bad poll is bad.

GMO should be both embraced and regulated.
The world isn't perfect so quit complaining.

The resistance to GMO is just paranoia. Detractors claim all sorts of dangers, all of which are unproven and speculative at best. What's more is that there seems no amount of evidence that will convince them of safety. That seems to me to be more about a religious faith than reason.
I'd be more supportive if the research was done by a state or NGO I trust rather than by companies trying to get support for the GMOs as the only aim.

The Swedish environmental movement's critical attitude towards genetically modified crops are many times worth. This is according to "society for the conservation of Nature" (Naturskyddsföreningen).
"New GM varieties is no silver bullet"

DN Debate October 1, 2011

- There are a number of studies from researchers who believe that biodiversity decreases for growing genetically modified plants as compared to more conventional plants. It does not say that all GM crops are bad, but we have seen evidence in research that there may be problems with diversity in agricultural landscapes and that requires tough regulations, says Mikael Karlsson, President of the Society for Nature Conservation.

The Nature Conservation Society has most recently tried to establish a regulatory framework in which those who put out the GM plants and trees also are held responsible for any future damage to the environment they may have caused. But those this concern have opposed such liability, says Mikael Karlsson.

- They would not bear the risk through insurance or otherwise, even though we have such technology in other areas where there's a lack of knowledge or environmental risks, says Mikael Karlsson.

A counter-arguments from environmental groups that the researchers now criticizes about the crops that provide a more sustainable agriculture is not yet launched.

Crops in the long run would help eradicate world hunger. But according to the researchers, it is precisely the EU's strict rules and other conflicts that prevent such a success.

But Mikael Karlsson maintains that the new crops are not the solution to world hunger.

- New GM varieties are no "silver bullet" or quick fix, but this will require a wide range of other measures that you have to prioritize and invest more resources, he says.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=4725177
 
GMOs can add quite a bit to our health, actually. For instance, several are resistant to plagues and as such there's no need to use potentially harmful agro-toxins (unlike GMOs, agro-toxins have known and proven ill effects over human health).

Europe's persecution of GMOs is just another poor excuse for their blatant agricultural protectionism. They can't compete with the agricultural giants, all of which have embraced GMOs, so they come up wth an excuse to be protectionis without using the word protectionism (and scoring points with the environmental Talibans as well).
 
Just as I thought. There's no amount of evidence that would prove safety to the GMO naysayers and no coherent claims in what ways they are unsafe.
 
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