Go to jail for 10 years for getting head?

[GenMarshall]

That's not what you said. You specifically stated you thought Georgia was right to consider age of consent only, disregarding the age difference:

If you think that the age difference should be taken into consideration, then obviously you do not agree with the law in Georgia.

So which is it?

I agree with both in that I feel that there should be a law to consider the age of consent as well as age differeances taken into consideration.

If its one or the other. Then I dont know which is right because I dont want to see no 50 year old having sex with a 15 year old.

the reason i say you are sheltered, and you seem to take offense at this, is that most christians i know (and back when i was younger, i was involved in FOUR churches, so i knew quite a few), hang out with ONLY christians and dont have nonchristian friends, and develop really naive worldviews, which are hammered in by their church leaders.

Excuse me, but calling me sheltered is very offensive to me. I dont have naive worldviews and thoes views were never hammered onto me by my priest. That is pure generalizing to say that Christians are sheltered and have naive worldviews. Ever stopped to think that thoes Christians whom you hang out with dont represent ALL of the Chrisitan community? I guess not. There are other Christians (including myself) who dont have a naive worldview.

to think that a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old is a sex offender is something which makes NO SENSE, except only to a christian who believes in keeping themselves pure until marriage.

Excuse me? Just because I am a Roman Catholic and agree with the law, does not make the law a religious issue. Quit generalizing about Christians just because a majority approves of the law. Now once again, take your bigotry on Christianity someplace else! If I was an agnostic, the law would still make sense to me regardless of my faith or lack of.

yes the LETTER of the law says he is a sex offender, but it is WRONG to ruin a young man's life by imprisoning him for TEN YEARS because a slutty girl wanted to go down on a bunch of guys is just RIDICULOUS. and then say the GIRL is the victim? NO!

Sorry, but if the kid did the crime, he must do the time. No ifs and or butts about it. If you dont like it, why dont you run for a senate or house seat in the Georgia State Legislature to change the law.

 

[fishjie]

Excuse me? Just because I am a Roman Catholic and agree with the law, does not make the law a religious issue. Quit generalizing about Christians just because a majority approves of the law. Now once again, take your bigotry on Christianity someplace else! If I was an agnostic, the law would still make sense to me regardless of my faith or lack of.


Sorry, but if the kid did the crime, he must do the time. No ifs and or butts about it. If you dont like it, why dont you run for a senate or house seat in the Georgia State Legislature to change the law.

sigh. if you weren't a christian there's a high chance you wouldn't have those views. christians have certain views: abortion is wrong. gay marriage is wrong. gays are horrible people. premarital sex is wrong. intelligent design should be taught in school. etc etc. the list goes on. this is why george bush got elected. because the majority of christians cared about these issues and voted. the MAJORITY of christians believe these things, the MAJORITY of atheists DONT. is this a coincidence? NO. these things are RELIGIOUS issues, that RELIGIOUS people care about and feel strongly about.

but whatever. im just shaking my head at your last statement. yes i already acknowledge the fact that the LAW says something, but that does make it fair or just? NO!

The Nazis had a LOT OF LAWS, involving killing jewish people. I guess since they were the LAW, it doesnt MATTER if the laws themselves were ridiculous or not. HMMMMMM................

 

[warpus]

In the eyes of Georgia law, then yes, the 17 year old kid is a sexual predator.

I know what Georgia Law says, I am asking you what you think.

Forget Georgia Law. In the eyes of CivGeneral, the person, is the 17 year old from the news article a sexual predator?

 

[Trajan12]

Georgia law is completely insane. If I were those people I'd be getting the hell out of Georgia.

I don't see how sex between two minors should be considered rape. Niether of them are adults and the government shouldn't even have the right to give them a slap on the wrist. If two underaged people are having sex leave it to their parents to decide what should be done, don't throw their whole lives away over something so petty and stupid.

 

[CaptainF]

I don't see why people are bringing up "protecting minors" when these people are both minors.

Protect minors from themselves?

 

[GenMarshall]

sigh. if you weren't a christian there's a high chance you wouldn't have those views. christians have certain views: abortion is wrong. gay marriage is wrong. gays are horrible people. premarital sex is wrong. intelligent design should be taught in school. etc etc. the list goes on.

Here is something that would knock your socks off. When I was an agnostic, I felt that abortions are wrong, gay marriages is wrong, and premarital sex is wrong. Sorry to say but Christians and non-Christians are not a homogonious group that adhear to the generalizations that you have created for a certan group of people. Its quite wrong for you to generalize me like that just because I am a Christian. Do I agree that intelligent design should be tought in school? No I dont. Do I believe that homosexuality is wrong? Yes but does it give me the right to impose my morality onto homosexuals and deny them the same rights as a heterosexual marriage? NO!

I am sorry to say but I dont fit into your generalization of what Christianity is in your worldview.

but whatever. im just shaking my head at your last statement. yes i already acknowledge the fact that the LAW says something, but that does make it fair or just? NO!

And why is it wrong? I agree that the law is fair and just because the kid broke the law and the kid has to do their time.

Also, I would advise you to lay off typing some words in all caps because it is considered shouting and is very rude as well as annoying.

 

[greekguy]

since it seems like my question on page 4 got lost in the flood of posts, i'll post it here again: do you think he can suit Georgia for violating his 8th amendment rights? i'm sure rapists have gotten later sentences than this, having oral sex with a 15 year old doesn't seem like a "crime" worthy of 10 years in jail.

btw, i'm 15 and if i had the opportunity, i would definitely have sex. whatever NJ law says, i know i can consent, since i know what sex is, had sex ed, and know of the consequences. really, the age of consent should be lowered to 15 be allow for a "safety zone" of 4 years, so situations like this don't be called "crimes" again.

 

[GenMarshall]

Forget Georgia Law. In the eyes of CivGeneral, the person, is the 17 year old from the news article a sexual predator?

The 17 year old in my eyes is not a sexual predator in my eyes.

 

[skadistic]

since it seems like my question on page 4 got lost in the flood of posts, i'll post it here again: do you think he can suit Georgia for violating his 8th amendment rights? i'm sure rapists have gotten later sentences than this, having oral sex with a 15 year old doesn't seem like a "crime" worthy of 10 years in jail.

btw, i'm 15 and if i had the opportunity, i would definitely have sex. whatever NJ law says, i know i can consent, since i know what sex is, had sex ed, and know of the consequences. really, the age of consent should be lowered to 15 be allow for a "safety zone" of 4 years, so situations like this don't be called "crimes" again.

He can ask for a retrial but not sue. Many true child rapists, people who are in their 30s that raped small children for years have gotten 6 months from some judfes. Others who have raped repeatedly have been given no jail time and ordered to seek help. This kid has a good case if he can afford a good lawyer to have the charges severly reduced if not totaly tossed out.

 

[Shylock]

He was being immoral, he's lucky we didn't hang him. The girl too for good measure.

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

in ireland, the age is 15 for males and 17 for females, and its to be leveled off at 16 for each next year i think. now that to me sounds perfectly fine, and not becauls i'm 15, but because everyone i know thats 15+ is sensible enough to use contraception.

IIRC, in japan there is no age of concent. well thats what i've read anyways. sickening really, but meh.. 15/16 sounds fine to me.

The law is a mess but the age of consent is effectively 18.

 

[innonimatu]

Protect minors from themselves?

Why, of course, an exercise in biopower...

 

[Trajan12]

The 17 year old in my eyes is not a sexual predator in my eyes.

And why is it wrong? I agree that the law is fair and just because the kid broke the law and the kid has to do their time.

So you don't think he is a predator but you do think he should be punished? I'm getting quite confused here.

Do you think that this kid should have his life ruined by missing out on ten years of it, and carry the stigma of the sexual predator label, just because he is human and has urges like you and me?

 

[GenMarshall]

So you don't think he is a predator but you do think he should be punished? I'm getting quite confused here.

I dont think the kid is a predator however by the laws of his state, he does have to be punished under the law. Just letting him slide on their laws is just corruption.

Do you think that this kid should have his life ruined by missing out on ten years of it, and carry the stigma of the sexual predator label, just because he is human and has urges like you and me?

I do not believe that the kid should have his life ruined and carry the scarlet letter of being a sexual predator. Perhaps the current laws that are common across the states dont seem that bad by allowing a 2 year plus or minus differances.

I hope no one would accuse me of being a flip-floper that I disagree now with the Georgia law and feel that it should go through some reforms.

 

[Xanikk999]

You know whats strange that just occured to me?

This boy did nothing wrong even in the eyes of the law.

HE GOT HEAD! HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING SEXUAL!

THE GIRL DID!

 

[innonimatu]

I dont think the kid is a predator however by the laws of his state, he does have to be punished under the law. Just letting him slide on their laws is just corruption.

So, if your state, whatever it may be, passed a law forbidding religious services, you would support its enforcement?

 

[Narz]

Apparently you vastly dont understand teen influence and how it works in youth today.

Underage kids cannot consent to sex...therefore they cannot make a responsible choice in regards to it. Hell, their brains have not even developed fully yet.

What a load of crap. There are high school kids out there significantly smarter than either of us (not any of these goons here of course but it's easier possible).

In other words, kids are stupid. I know that, because I was one.

Your stupidity as a minor (like your history of physical intimacy) should not be relivant when it comes to the law.

People (including teenagers) rise to the level of expectation. If you treat them like their dumb they'll either follow your expectations or rebel against them (and rebeling also tends to cloud good judgement).

If kids were given more respect and responsibility they'd probably do alot more good with it. When not much is expected of them they tend to just waste time and get into trouble.

Beside that, the people smoking are (sometimes) above the age of 18. Once you're 18 (or in the case of alcohol, 21) I really don't give a rat's rear end as to what you do.

Well smoking does damage air quality (even sitting outside in a park near smokers can be unpleasant) but that's for another thread.

13 sounds sick to me. Bottom line, I dont think you have a clue as to what you are talking about.

Dude, he's only 15. It seems he knows quite clearly what he is talking about (his own subjective experiences and preferences).

Do you have any idea what the effects of statutory rape are?

I wish!

 

[Xanikk999]

The girl performed the sexual favor. Why is the man charged with rape?

She raped him!!!!!!!!

 

[Adamb0mb]

Since it appears the judge was unable to impose a lesser penatly it looks like this is a case of mandatory sentencing enacted by voters or the legislation.

It is a bad policy for voters to tie the hands of judges.

 

[Narz]

The girl performed the sexual favor. Why is the man charged with rape?

She raped him!!!!!!!!

I wish a girl would have raped me like that as a teenager.