gay_Aleks
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You'd make a great drinking party, you people.
God exists
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warpus
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So God is a drinking party?
madviking
north american scum
liquor is god
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Depends. Which one God? Zeus? Jupiter? These guys are fun party guys.
Some Abrahamist God who sets bushes on fire? Looks more like a loner drunk to me.
Some Abrahamist God who sets bushes on fire? Looks more like a loner drunk to me.
Narz
keeping it real
God evolves with man's changing tastes & fears. Like TV shows.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
I wonder if he has a TVTropes page then.
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God is not physical. There are no physical parts. Saying that God has a mind is one of those human concepts that we can identify a process by. Saying that the universe is within God seems a legitimate concept to help us understand the relationship between the universe and God. It is weak in that it still assumes that God has physical parts. Saying that God has a mind is similiar, especially if humans view thoughts as just being physical or the result of a physical process. In the case of God though, the universe is the only physical part of God's thoughts.
warpus
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You assume that the entire universe is "physical". Why?
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Not assuming, just posting my thoughts,
and never said entire.
nope; the physical part is physical, but there are non physical attributes to existence.
I do not know everything about the universe. Why assume that I do?
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Well, you do seem pretty convinced that God can't exist inside the universe and that God and the universe can't be the same. So since you feel that God isn't physical, that leads me to conclude that you don't think the Universe has any parts that aren't - because then God could be there. Since you don't think he is - the universe has to be physical.
No?
No?
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There is a spiritual component to the universe. I would not call it another dimension, but that may be the only definitive concept we have. I never claimed the entire universe is only physical. I said the physical part of the universe is not God. The non-physical part I believe is not all God either. God's will can be part of each human's will as long as one is willing to give up their will. As for pantheism and stating that God is everything physical imo does not make sense. God did not say, "I am making the formless matter physical as a part of me." Neither would I say that God is all the photons in the universe, because God said, "Let there be light." God may be the universe and all it's parts, but God seemed to indicate to humans that he was not physical, but was the source of all that is physical. As mentioned in the Ask A Theologian thread. It is sometimes incomprehensible to understand that God created matter from nothing. We then say matter always existed. Some say that God created matter from himself, but that makes less sense that saying nothing. The thought has been that God created matter and then spoke it into form. From a modern perspective that does not make sense either. We default back to God just formed matter that already existed. We can accept that God verbally spoke creation, but resist accepting that God did not create matter out of nothing. We miss the point altogether how a non-physical entity can "DO" anything.
If we accept that there is more to the universe than the physical, then we already understand that non-physical beings exist in a non-physical form. God is still not confined to the universe, but separate from it. I have never heard any one say that God turned himself into the universe. God is not considered to say that he is the universe either. I am convinced that the universe is not God. I am convinced that God is not the universe. I am convinced that if God ceased to be, that the universe would also. I am not sure what I can do with that information though. I don't think that means that the universe is part of God, or that the universe is dependent on God in a physical way. The universe is independent in a physical manner, but dependent on God for it's existence. This is an ongoing process.
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Everything is made of God/original(absolute) consciousness. Matter itself is just a form of transfigured consciousness. There are no unsurmountable barriers between consciousness, energy and matter.
Berzerker
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let us make man in our image, male and female
and it was God who said the man had become like God knowing good and evil
physical and mind
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Because I have been thinking about it for 45 years and listening and reading how others have thought over the past 3500 years.
It does not have to be redundant and the same thing to be an image. Humans are the physical image of a non-physical being. In fact God told humans not to make any image of him, because there is no image outside of humans that comes close. However humans only image God. They are not a copy of a physical God.
Do you think that God experiences evil? Who is the us? God was talking to the angels. They had already rebelled. Now it seems humans have also rebelled and like the angels know the difference between good and evil.
Thoughts do not = fact. So basically you are delusional.
Millions of other people have been thinking about god for longer than you have, and their religion is more than 6000 years old, and their conclusion is that this is (a) god:
Millions of other people have been thinking about god for longer than you have, and their religion is more than 6000 years old, and their conclusion is that this is (a) god:
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So all thinkers are delusional? If this post I quoted is your thoughts, then you are also delusional? Do you have proof backing up the fact, that today's religions are older than 3500 years? The only "facts", I have found state that no one knows the form religion had before 3000 years ago. What we have is only people's thoughts after that time. How can you trust a person's thoughts who lived 3000 years ago any more than a person living today?
