God exists

[timtofly]

Welcome to humanity.

 

[Zack]

God does exist.

He's won 21 Grammys, he sits in French-ass restaurants, he likes fish sticks, and his last album got a 9.5 on Pitchfork.

 

[calad]

If you understand anything about science then you also must be aware of rationality how to prove something exist and is related to us.

Proving God exist is impossible because you cant show he is related to us, like all these invisible immaterial pink dinosaurs floating aroud me and blessing my keyboard.

 

[madviking]

* First off, if you try to know yourself, you will accumulate data about yourself, right ? That data will become a part of yourself. However, in order to know yourself, you should know that data also. Creating some other data. That would should know. Etc... so the quest of self knowledge, is purely infinite therefore never reached.

two objections to this:

1. there's a different between countable infinity and uncountable infinity. this only works if facts about ourselves is uncountably infinite, which you haven't really shown. anyway...

2. ...this quest of introspection will probably either way fail because of goedel's first incompleteness theorem

 

[madviking]

Proving God exist is impossible because you cant show he is related to us, like all these invisible immaterial pink dinosaurs floating aroud me and blessing my keyboard.

i doubt triangles are much like us but we can still do proofs surrounding their existance n stuff

non-crap-posting translation: science can't explain logic/mathematics

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Mathematics is a gift from God.

 

[madviking]

Mathematics is a gift from God.

replace "god" with "plato" and you got what a lot of people (like myself) believe.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

replace "god" with "plato" and you got what a lot of people (like myself) believe.

If I were to attribute it to any man I'd say Pythagoras, but since Pythagoras was a mystic he would probably agree with my first statement.

 

[madviking]

If I were to attribute it to any man I'd say Pythagoras, but since Pythagoras was a mystic he would probably agree with my first statement.

i'll just say that divine theories of mathematics/morality are actually more interesting and deep that they sound (even as an atheist)

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I make a point of not disbelieving in things that can't be disproved, so the divine nature of mathematics doesn't bother me.

 

[Borachio]

So... you believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden, unicorns, goblins, elves, dwarves...

You know what, that there is just the beginning of a very long list of things you don't disbelieve. Ending with this invisible mouse I have, living in a matchbox.

 

[calad]

i doubt triangles are much like us but we can still do proofs surrounding their existance n stuff

non-crap-posting translation: science can't explain logic/mathematics

What I dislike are answers that only seems to try confuse people instead of seeking answers.

There are lot of things that science cant explain, but we can observe them and make further conclusions. Logic and math cant be disproved while God cant be proved but can be easily disproved.

 

[timtofly]

What I dislike are answers that only seems to try confuse people instead of seeking answers.

There are lot of things that science cant explain, but we can observe them and make further conclusions. Logic and math cant be disproved while God cant be proved but can be easily disproved.

What data do you have that easily disproves God?

 

[calad]

What data do you have that easily disproves God?

I wont debate of this and proving God is not science so there cant be data either. If you want to prove God exist then give me evidence.

 

[timtofly]

Then it is not easy to disprove God?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

There has never been any sort of verifiable evidence of God's existence.

This does not disprove God, but it validates not having to take into account the existence of God. This would only be needed when there are verfiable observations which deem that neccesary.

Such observations have not occured in recorded history.

 

[timtofly]

Not that I doubt your integrity, but would I not have to believe you in order to take your word as proof?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not that I doubt your integrity, but would I not have to believe you in order to take your word as proof?

Not at all. You have your own experiences which make you take the existence into account. I'm merely saying that without those experiences I am limited to transferable proof. And your personal experiences aren't transferable (verfiable observations).

So it's actually the other way around. If I had to take God's existence into account, I'd have to take your word as proof. If you had to take God's existence into account, you'd have to take your word as proof. Which you do.

 

[ParkCungHee]

God does exist.

He's won 21 Grammys, he sits in French-ass restaurants, he likes fish sticks, and his last album got a 9.5 on Pitchfork.

I'm sorry, I read the emphasis in that statement wrong.

Now I'm wondering if there's a restaurant somewhere in France that only serve pork butt and round steak.

 

[Naokaukodem]

two objections to this:

1. there's a different between countable infinity and uncountable infinity. this only works if facts about ourselves is uncountably infinite, which you haven't really shown. anyway...

Well you are suggesting that human spirit is made out of numbers ?