GOTM #13 *Spoilers* Thread

Glad we didn't play as the Zulus this time, their starting location really stinks! :lol:

Considering we were playing a 80% water map with 11 civs I expected no less than having a few AI opponents very close by.

I began with building Tenochtitlan on the starting spot and thus grab the village on turn one, forfeitting the chance of a settler but I was afraid I might get early barbarians from the village, which would have ruined the game. Got pottery, which was nice because that's usually my number 1 research goal.

First jag warrior headed north to the mountain, because I wanted to see as much land as possible early on to grab villages. Result was I contacted the Russians very early on (nice land!), and later the Persians and Egypt. I made the decision not to gamble on an early attack, mainly because I always try to minimize having bad dice rolls to heavily influence the game, and because I hate an early GA.

After getting pottery from the first hut I decided to go straight for polytheism, aiming to trade other techs with the AI for it, as AI civs usually shun polytheism untill later in the game. That turned out to be a very bad decision as for some mysterious reason the Russians got polytheism 3 turns before I did :mad:. I'm also nearly 100% sure they got a settler from a hut, as they founded Kiev just a few turns after I had built my 2nd city near the dyes to the west, and were leading in the early ages with about 40 points more than I had. Still managed to do some trading with polytheism even though its value had greatly decreased.

While researching polytheism, I had been building and stacking jag warriors near the Egytpian border, expecting an iron resource to pop up nearby since we were playing with little landmass and lots of rivals. Wrong! The only iron resource I could possibly get was some distance away, so I had to settle for horsemen early on in the war against Egypt. I later managed to establish an iron colony, so swordsmen finally entered the war. Egypt was nearly finished by then and I turned my attention to Persia, who were very weak because they had been building the colossus early on (thank you :) ). Unfortunately I entered an accidental GA against the Persians as they attacked my jag warrior protecting my iron colony, so that was a bit of a waste, even though it meant early monarchy and Hanging Gardens in Tenochtitlan.

When Persia was finally finished I turned to the fertile Russians lands, but I was a bit worried since they were powerful and were hooked to iron. Got enough swordsmen by then to launch an assault on 3 cities during the first turn of the war, and they never really recoverd from that. Had some problems with Moscow (with Pyramids :D) as it flipped back twice, taking out some valuable armies.

I had contacted the Romans and Chinese by then and noticed all their cities were walled, and it appeared they had been in battle for centuries already as embassies revealed both capitals were size 1 enterainer cities. Traded for both their luxuries, but due to a very unfortunate accident the trade route was cut and I lost my spotless reputation :(. It appeared a barbarian galley had positioned itself on the sea route between our harbors, had to trade for both luxuries again, and the Chinese are no longer willing to trade for gpt.

Went to Republic in the early AD's and as F8 revealed the civs on the other continent had already entered the medieval age I beelined for Navigation after losing some galleys on suicide runs and contacted the AI around 500 AD. Very disappointing. I was hoping to trade for feudalism/engineering and lots of gpt, but they had only discoverd monotheism, and were earning no money at all. Did trade for all luxuries though but it seems I have to do all the research alone this time. Compared to my research schedule for last month's game, I am now researching feudalism when I had entered the Industrial age in the previous GotM.

I was now ready to start some serious tech development when suddenly I saw a stack of Impies cross the border (yes, Zululand was still there) and had them declare war on me. I expected to take their Impies out with some leftover swordsmen from the Russian War, but I manged to lose 3 swordsmen (2 vet and 1 *marked Elite, as I had gotten 1 leader so far to rush the FP) and 1 vet horseman to the first Impi on a plains! :cry:

Had to rush some extra defenders to hold the GA'ed Zulus at bay when I got a lucky break and one of their heavily fortified border cities flipped to me. I'm now still pushing them back, no longer riding free happiness though.

I'm again going for a spaceship launch but it seems many people are doing that this month, so it might be for nothing. however it is nice to see some fierce competition going on. :)

Kemal
 
Nice write up, Kemal. :goodjob:

Well, I'm going to milk this one. It's 1250AD I'm starting to reposition cities and extend my rail system. I wasn't able to move my palace until about 1200AD (I manually built the FP because I didn't get any Great Leaders during the ancient times) but I'm still able to research every 4 turns. I will get to the modern age in the 1400's but I'm not sure how early. Once I have ecology I'll be able to swell the population up to the limit fairly quick and enter through to 2050.

Once I landed on the other continent, I swept the Greeks, English, Japanese (pretty much just 1 turn for them on the main continent, via ROP), and then Indians. The Iroquois will be allowed to survive in the desert to the end.
 
So I took the Roman island and moved my capital to the center city. I decided to go for a quick culture victory since I was so close. I blew through 100,000 culture points and nothing happened! Broke out the rule book "and no rival civ has more than half of your cultural value". Rats.

So I'm going for Spaceship I guess. I never built any factories in any city and I've got Hoover's Dam so I'm pretty "green" these days. It's nice not having so much pollution. I'm building factories and solar plants now on the Roman Island in anticipation of SS construction. At least I can be true to my homeland. The Roman lands are starting to look like Texas now with pollution everywhere and offshore oil rigs and the such. Some people would be proud of my greed inspired rape of the environment.

Phaedrus
 
People's tech rates were really fast. In my game, the modern era would have come sometime in the mid 1800's. It all started off very slow. We didnt' get the Middle Ages till 400 AD. Usually on monarch I reach it before 10 BC.
 
This is my first GOTM and the first time I ever played the Aztecs. I found there unique unit more usefull than I thought before. While building settlers to colonize the continent I used my jaguar warriors to block the settlers of the Persians and the Russians (the civ1 AI strategy :D ) . The double movement of the JW was really usefull for the blocking. I only needed 5 JW per civ to block almost all their settlers.

The Egyptians and the Zulus weren't expanding very fast so I got a large part of the continent filled with my cities without war. I started building swordsmen to conquer Russia.

380 BC the Egyptians took 1 of my cities, when I took it back I triggered my golden age. I was quite happy with it. Three of my cities each builded a swordman every 2 turns, in the others it took only a few more turns and building my forbidden palace was going really fast now. After making peace with the Egyptians I attacked the Russians. Around 300 AD I had all Russian cities except for the one they had on a small island. At the same time my FP was finished and I turned to republic. My territory was large enough to become tech leader and the other civs on this side of the world had enough space left to generate a large amount of money to buy the techs from me.

After I got navigation I send out a Caravel to find the other civs. 900 AD I found them. With the gpt I got from them for selling techs I could set my science rate to 100% and got a tech every 4/5 turns. Now I tried to get Fission as soon as possible to build the UN.

I finished the UN in 1570. All 11 leaders except for Hiawatha (Hiawatha) and Catherina (abstain) voted for me. I don''t think I will end up high in the list comparing my result (3721 points) with the results of the previous months. I think i'll go for fastest space race victory next month.
 
what the hell??!?!?!

im only near 1200... granted i havnt finished yet, but i dont think ive EVER finished over 4k :(
 
I was progressing along in my game attempting to "milk" it (for the first time) and I bloody won it unexpectedly due to domination. I think one of my cities in the Indian homelands expanded its cultural border and that was enough. I must read up on how domination works...

So I was most disappointed and decided that I would not submit the game. I reverted to a save of about 20 turns earlier and gave away a bunch of pitiful cities.

Then I won by Cultural victory (I wasn't looking at the screen regularly). I found alot of my libraries and temples which were built very early were pulling in a whole bunch of culture.

So I was still not happy as I had my heart set on space victory and "theoretically" more points

Reverted even further back and sold all but a few of my culture producing improvements. I had access to all luxuries so I still had happy people anyhow. I gave up on this game at around 1905 - *TOO BORED* So milking is NOT my cup of tea I have learned this now...

So in for a penny, in for a pound, I reverted back to just after taking the two starting continents and unlike my first games, where I built lots of ships and planned an invasion of wherever they ended up being, I built more improvements. Unlike my original building the FP in Antium (Roman continent) I built it in Moscow and moved my palace with a GL down to some city near the Zulu. You see, in my original, those cities were absolute crap since the corruption was so bad.

In this game, I was going for any victory as early as possible so as to gain points from the early win thing. As it happens I built UN and had a 4 to 1 vote for and won that way... I won just before 1850 this time which funnily enough is exactly when I won the original game accidentally! In this version, I had big cities - several of them over 30 in size and most over 20. In the original, no city was over 12 I think.

And not only that, I got more points in my original win (by 20 or so) than my latest one.

So the moral [for me] is: Just play the game and win when you win.

Also, I think I killed the enemies in my continent too early as I was leading the tech the whole game so never got anything from anyone. I think that is why it was quite late until I had navigation (like 1200AD or something) and I was too afraid to try a water crossing without it.

For me, GOTM13 was easy, fun, frustrating, annoying, inforrmative and finally finished (4 times).


I won't submit, but my original score was a domination at around 1844 for 5009 points (from memory)

Cheers
 
Originally posted by wohmongarinf00l
just to see where i'm at, what are the projected scores for the top scoring folks? i'm somewhere around 7K, all milked.
I didn't bother to milk. Takes too long and is boring. My score is lower. If I had milked it would be probably ~9000 points, probably less.
 
Aztec starting position was amazing with all those flood plans and gems within striking distance - no graneries were really needed.
Game took a bizarre turn when every other civ on the island (Rus, Egypt, and Persia) declared war on poor Shaka. The problem is that the AI civs had to walk through my territory to fight the Zulus. I didn't object of course since I was too busy expanding and building my vast legions of horsemen - but I certainly didn't grant any rights of passage so the AIs had to slooooowwly walk to the Zulus who didn't lose a city, but kept all the other AIs busy. Russia was obviously the first civ for me to attack (and as a bonus had built the Pyrimids in Moscow); however, when I was about 2/3s of the way ready to attack Moscow declared war on me. This was the only dicey part of the game, but the Aztecs prevailed since the Russians did not have Horses and couldn't muster troops as rapidly as I.
Once Moscow was down the rest of the island was cleared quickly. Avoided a GA until Middle Ages by not fighting with JWs. I use the JWs mainly to swiftly deploy swordmen - build cheap JWs rush to the frontier city with barracks and upgrade.
Once I learned Chivalry I took over the Rome/China island quickly.

Then it was time to play find the other civs. Using suicide galleys (built lighthouse with leader) I found the uninhabited islands to the north first and once I had Navigation streaked multiple Settlers - nearly finished off populating the entire cluster when an Irq. ship came up with a caravel which did take the 2-square island with horses.

I then started sending ship after ship over to just off the Japanese coast filled with knights and attacked one turn before I learned Military to upgrade to Cav in the first Japanese city. Took over Japanese, then India and that was it - Domination. Never need to attack the Irq at all.
Finished around 1325 AD or so.

Fun game.
 
I took things differently to most others


with so many other civs, i wanted them to build my citties for me, so i was a builder. This turned out to be a bad idea, seeing as it took till 1200AD to take my island, and a 1920 WW1 war with China, using the Roman citties.

But this wasnt so bad, being a builder gave me a strong core, only problem is that I am currently head to head with the iriqois and about to build the UN... and I havent had too good a situation with some of the other races, but i tihnk ill start sucking up and go for a diplo victory... and if that fails and its a draw, ill go for space race, and should hopefully be able to beat the iroqouis.


In total ive got 5great leaders so far, and i think i may be getting some more pretty soon.



This GOTM was a learning experience from me, its taught me how to be more agressive, and how not to leave wars too late.


Even thoug most of my citties can build tanks in 2turns now, (two citties can build a tank in 1 turn :D) there really isnt a point in me going to war with the iriqois. Mayb nuclear weapons will be my salvation :d
 
Originally posted by Djurre
This is my first GOTM and the first time I ever played the Aztecs. .....I finished the UN in 1570. (3721 points)

First GOTM perhaps, but an awsome game, apparently.

Greg
 
Kuhal, you should submit your game no matter what happens (even if you lose). Only submitting the games with outcomes you approve of screws up the statistics and comparisions, which is the whole point of GOTM.
 
I lost to a furious attack by the Russians in the 16th century.

After terrible mistakes in the beginning I managed to grow to be the second largest civ and the first in science but I became completely surrounded by the Russians that beat both Egypt and Zulu (I defeated the Persians).

I was almost finishing my rail net and my factories while the Russians were researching steam and all others were some three techs behind. I had two defense units per city, at least one being musket. My cavalry was about 6 and I also had a couple of longbowmen.

The Russians sneak-attacked me with a couple dozens of cossacks and took 9 cities in one turn! The next turn they took 5 more and in the third turn my last two towns on the continent were lost.

I managed to survive for 10 more turns on the eastern islands.

Kemal you should submit as I will. It 's important to have all the results for comparability.

For example I won 8 out of 9 Monarch games that I've played. So I lost this one (my first). I lost because I was careless and underestimated the AI. Still I'll submit. It won't even damage my global ranking because the calculation used best three not all results.
 
Cartouche Bee,
Gen. Maximus, the incident yesterday was resolved, I think the game was saved in PTW and then they tried to

Problem solved. Thanks 4 trying to help. I actually did more than just PTW upgrade, change operating system and reinstall my entire hardisk. Not sure what when wrong. TO fix it, I uninstall PTW, reinstall v1.29. It seems that the 1.29 upgrade from PTW 'not the same' as 1.29 from separate patch. Whew, I thought I lost all I have played!

Rgds.
 
Originally posted by Yndy


Kemal you should submit as I will. It 's important to have all the results for comparability.



Oh, I'll definetely submit, Yndy, and I will do that too even if I have a lousy game.

But you're mixing me and Kuhal up. My game is going ok and I'll submit a win, that's for sure. But I agree with you that games that weren't going good for people who played them should really be submitted as well, for example to show the other side of risky attacks in the early phases if the game. If you lose those, your game is toast.
 
Sorry Kemal,

Please accept my appologies.

Of course I meant Kuhal but your posts were close to each other and I got that confused:(
 
Originally posted by Greg Loader
First GOTM perhaps, but an awsome game, apparently.

Yes, the game went really well for me. Its the highest score I got since I started playing civ3 again 2 months ago.

These GOTMs are fun. Too bad I didn't find out that GOTMs existed earlier.

BTW I never played Aztecs before because I used to play huge maps with only 8 rival civs. So I didn't have to wage war for territory in the beginning of the game and that made the militaristic civs kinda useless to play for me. Even more because i always try to win a peacefull victory. But maybe i should change my strategy sometime. The games with more aggressive strategies seem like fun too.
 
I moved 1 tile NE with my settler after my worker showed me 1 more wheat. What a start for the Aztecs! irrigate one wheat, mine the other two - voila - growth and prod powerhouse :D

My 1st JW soon met Russia, stole their worker. They sent an Archer to hunt the worker, 1 Warrior to die promoting my JW and another Archer to follow my JW home. In the meantime I finished Barracks, 1 Spera (who defended against the Archer - across the river! Why doesn't the AI think?????) and another JW, then two Archers. The now-veteran JWs and 1 Archer took Moscow. I let St. Petersburgh live until the culture grew, then took it. Meanwhile I'd been busy throwing out settlers. For some reason the Egyptians and Persians didn't settle fast so I started a loose built and culture pressed them. Soon, I found iron, blocked persian access to iron with a city (no flip-rsik with culture rate of 2:1). Then, build Swordsmen, took most of Persia, then smacked the Zulus across the wrist for sneaking me.

Got knights, took most of Zulu, took most of Egypt.

Since Persia was so kind to build the Lighthouse for me I know quite some islands :)

My FP was built 5 tiles west of the capital, then I used a leader to jump the palace south into Zululand. Will move to China/Rome later ;)
 
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