GOTM 40 Spoiler

[ElephantU]

I had not thought about it that way. I am not positive but I think the distance calculation for bonus payments is dateline-adjusted, but the max distance for ongoing trade route RD/RR multiplier does not correctly adjust for the dateline. This is rare because most datelines are ocean tiles. There is also an issue in ignoring "flat" maps for the same multipliers.

I'll take a look into the bonus calculation formula to check on the dateline question.

 

[A+ombomb]

It doesn't seem like bonus calculations are higher from some tests.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Greetings,
I have been away for over a year but could not contain the urge and finally gave in over the long weekend. I downloaded GOTM40 and had no choice but to go for OCC.
I have played to 1790s and I am currently building my spaceship. I will post a log later.

 

[A+ombomb]

Was this map edited so that there was land with the same number as water black clicking? That's sneaky if so! I was kind of surprised to learn that there was a huge continent I didn't know about for a good portion of the game.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I finished early this morning and submitted.

I have attached my log.

It is nice to see new names around here. Continuing popularity of Civ2 some 2.5 years after the release of Civ3 is amazing.

 

[ElephantU]

A+ombomb: A number of games I have played with "large land mass + continental land form" have had either one very large continent or three-four pretty big ones. The map generator numbers the continents starting with 1, which is the same as Ocean, so if there is a single large one it will probably get #1 and be "invisible" to black-clicking. Not really a "trick", just something that happens although you can force it to happen by removing any small islands in the upper left corner of the map (the numbers seem to be assigned starting there and moving horizontally by row). The last time we played the World Map, Greenland "disappeared" because it got #1 rather than EurAfAsia.

Ali: Good to see another OCC player back! We've learned a few things about speeding up landings in the last year; check out Solo's Early Landing Strategy Guide over at Apolyton.Net. I touched down in AD1425.

My "exhaustively detailed" (ie- hard to read) log:

 

[Old n Slow]

Just re-opened the game after a long hiatus -- and now have saved at 1 AD.

No where near the "earliness" of others and only a few days to go!



"Come Watson, the game is afoot!" -- (A. Conan Doyle) Sherlock Holmes

 

[A+ombomb]

Interesting elephant; no techniques for discovering this land?

 

[ElephantU]

Just that if you find a LOT of the map is Ocean, suspect a continent #1...

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

I'm glad you guys were posting here. I had almost forgotten to submit my game.

GOTM 40 – OCC
Part 1 - To Sanitation

4000 - Head toward huts
3950 - Hut archer
3900 - Hut 50g
3750 - Hut horse
- - TinyTown founded
3700 - Research Alphabet
3450 - Alphabet -> Writing
3250 - Pheasant changed to buffalo
3200 - Size 2
3150 - Buffalo roaded
3000 - Writing -> Currency
2450 - Currency->Code of laws
2550(?) - Size 3
2400 - Silk mined
2350 - Library
2100 - Code of laws ->Literacy
1650 - Literacy->Republic
1100 - republic->Trade
- - Revolution
1050 - Republic established
- - Should be able to get Trade before colossus complete. Keep city small (and luxuries at 0) until after contact.
- - Taxes 2/8/0
975 - French start Pyramids
875 - Tax 8/2/0
850 - Trade -> Ceremonial burial
- - Tax 2/8/0
800 - Marco Polo's Embassy
- - We are weak (My goodness, who's worse off?)
- - Indians (4spear): Exchange Republic for Cer. Bur., Writing for Map Making, Trade for Masonry, Demand pottery? No. Peace? Yes.Gift Pottery, Alliance. Share maps, Gift? 150g.
- - Zulus (2spear): Exchange? No.Demand map making? No.Gift Map Making, Republic. Peace. Share maps. Goodbye
- - France (6 spear): Demand trade? No. gift Trade.Exchange CerBur for Math, Exch. Bronze for Seafaring,Gift currency Peace. Alliance. Gift? 200g
- - Carthage (5 spear): Exchange? No.Demand maps? Sure. Peace. Gift Math, Republic, Seafaring, Alliance. Share maps, gift? 150g
- - Spain: (3spear) Demand maps? Ok. Peace. Ok.Gift Bronze, Math, Share maps, Alliance? Give math…done. Gift? 100g.
- - chinese: (0 spear). Indians? No.Demand trade? No. Gift Trade, Seafaring, cer. Bur., Pottery, Peace? No. goodbye.
- - Oops. Forgot maps with france.
- - Max food to fill food box.
- - Taxes 0/6/4
775 - Barb uprising near TinyTown
- - WLTCD starts
- - Rush temple
- - Jumped up to strong.
- - Zulus(2spear): Exchange? No.war china? No. Gift trade. Goodbye.
- - French: Exchange maps. Goodbye
- - Indians: Exchange? No. war china? No.Demand seafaring? No.Gift? No. goodbye
- - Spanish: Exchange? No.Gift Cer Bur. Goodbye.
750 - Temple
- - Jump to size 5
- - Now we're moderate.
- - Zulus (realize I didn't get alliance with them): Exchange? No. Demand seafaring? No. Alliance? No.
- - Indians: Exchange? No. war china? No.Demand seafaring? No.Gift math (researching). Goodbye
- - Spanish: Exchange? No.Gift? No.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? No.
725 - Size 6
- - Pump up shields to 10
- - Tax 0/3/7
700 - Zulus talk - Offer 50g to break alliance and declare war on india. No.
- - Wine van
- - Size 7
- - Kill barb horse
- - Tax 0/4/6
- - China: Demand currency? No. Peace? Sure. Gift Currency Share maps.
- - Spanish: Exchange? No.Gift republic, Goodbye.
- - Indians: Exchange? No.Chinese? No. Demand Seafaring? No. Gift? No.
- - French: Gift? Willing to sell HBR for 195g? Nope.Goodbye
675 - Size 8
650 - Dye van
- - WLTCD Ends
625 - …
600 - Trireme
575 - Zulus develop iron working
- - French develop construction
- - oops. Haven't been begging
- - Barb horse dies attacking city
- - Barb leader killed 150g
- - France: Exchange? No. Goodbye.
- - Spain. Exchange? No. Gift seafaring, currency, trade, Masonry(researching) Gift? No. goodbye
- - Indians Exchange? No.Chinese? No. Demand seafaring? No.Gift seafaring. Goodbye
- - Zulus: Exchange? No. China? No.Demand seafaring? No. Alliance? No.gift seafaring. Goodbye
- - Carthage: Exchange? Gift trade. Gift? 25g
550 - Beads van
- - France: Gift? Construction
- - Zulus: Exchange? China? No.Demand construction. Why not. Gift Math. Goodbye
- - Spain: Exchange? No. Gift construction (researching) Goodbye
- - China: Indians? No.Demand construction? Gift construction. Update maps.
- - Carthage: Exchange? Gift? 25g
- - Indians: exchange? No.Chinese? No. Demand Construction? No. Gift? No.goodbye
525 - Carthage starts colossus
- - Carthage abandons colossus
- - carthage develops iron working
- - Trireme
- - Zulus. Exchange? No.China?no. Demand writing? No. Gift Writing
- - France: Gift? 25g
- - Spain Exchange? No.Gift? No.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 25g
- - India: Exchange? No.China? No. Demand construction? No. update maps.
500 - War between China and India ends.
- - Diplomat
475 - Mysticism->Astronomy
- - Carthage: exchange? No. Gift mysticism(researching) Goodbye
- - french Exchange? No. Gift? 25g
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 25g
- - Hope most of next tech comes from van delivery. Reduce science a bit.
450 - Colosseum
- - Tax 4/5/1
- - Zulus:Exchange? No.China?no.Demand Myst? No. Gift Pottery. Goodbye
- - French: Exchange? No.GifT? Horseback riding :yuk:
- - China: Zulus? No.Demand myst? No.Gift Myst.
- - Carth: Exchange? Gift? 25g
425 - Hut Scroll Monarchy @)#%&!!!
- - French: Gift Monarchy(researching)Goodbye
- - China:zulus? No. Demand monarchy? No. gift monarchy(researching) goodbye
- - ZulusExchange? China? No. Demand myst? No. gift myst. Goodbye
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. share maps while we wait for gold to come back up. Goodbye
- - With extra tech, push science back up to 80% 1/8/1
400 - China talks War on Zulus? No.
- - Indians get myst from chinese for mathematics, Peace
- - Pirates spotted S. of tinytown - a few turns away
- - Market
- - activate caravan, Carthage talks: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Dye to Caralis - 202g. Hot damn! Wine and beads are both on the list now!!!
- - Wine caravan checks out around caralis while waiting to be delivered
- - zulus:Exchange? no.China?no.Demand Monarchy? No. Gift Masonry. Goodbye
- - French: Gift? 50g.Goodbye
- - Indians: Exchange? No.
375 - zulus get Monarchy from Chinese for Iron working Peace
- - Zulus get code of laws (researching…finally!) from chinese for Horseback riding
- - Carthage acquires masonry
- - Astronomy->Banking
- - Wine to Caralis 216g
- - cant celebrate until ship returns from the field
- - Tax 2/7/1
- - We are now moderate (Spain)
- - Spain: Exchange? No. Gift mysticism.
- - France: Share maps goodbye
350 - Barb uprising near TinyTown
- - Aqueduct
- - Pirates now offshore as well. Should land next turn. Settler heads into city to charge
- - Back to strong
- - Tax 1/8/1 as we work less trade to get 10s/turn
325 - Indians develop Banking
- - Pirates land
- - Spice van
- - Moderate again.
- - India: exchange Construction for Banking, gift? No.
- - China:Exchange? No.Demand banking? No.Gift banking (researching) Alliance? Yes if we give banking ok. Done Gift? No.
- - Spain: Exchange? No. Gift banking goodbye
- - Beaker cost up.
300 - French develop polytheism
- - french change from pyramids to GL
- - Two barb archers die attacking city. Horses disperse, Leader exposed
- - Food van
- - Research -> Philosophy
- - Barb leader killed 150g
- - Barb horse killed
- - Power now weak.
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift banking. Goodbye
- - Carthage: exchange? No.Gift? No.
- - Spain: Exchange:no. Gift (since we're now below them)? 100g
- - Indians: exchange?no Gift? 50g
- - Tax 3/6/1
275 - Salt van
- - Philosophy->Golden Age -Medicine->University
- - Ship finally able to return home.
- - 20 tech penalty sends beaker rate through the roof
- - We are inadequate now.
- - Spain: Exchange philosophy for Wheel. Gift writing
- - France: Exchange? No. Gift Philosophy, goodbye
- - China: Exchange? No. Gift Philosophy. Goodbye
- - Carthage: exchange? No. gift construction
- - Beads to Caralis (d-264)
- - Tax 0/8/2 to celebrate
250 - French start Pyramids
- - Food van
- - WLTCD
- - Now were up to strong.
- - Carthage: exchange? No. Gift? No.
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift Wheel Good bye
- - China Exchange? No.gift wheel. Goodbye
225 - Pirates spotted S. of tinytown - a few turns away
- - Food van
- - Size 9
- - Tax 0/7/3
- - This time we're moderate
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift mysticism (researching - finally able to give) goodbye
- - Spain: Exchange? No.Gift monarchy Goodbye
- - Carthage: Exchange? No.Gift wheel goodbye
- - India: Exchange? No. Gift philosophy, goodbye
- - China: Exchange? No gift? Only choices are medicine and astro. Never mind. Goodbye
200 - Food van
- - Size 10
- - Strong again
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 25g
- - French: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - India: Exchange? No. share maps
175 - Food van
- - Size 11
- - Hut 50g
- - still strong
- - Carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 25g
- - Indians: Exchange? No. Gift? No
- - Spain Exchange? No. share maps.
150 - Food van
- - Size 12
- - tax 1/7/2
- - Carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 25g
125 - Pirates land
- - Copernicus' Observatory
- - WLTCD Ends
- - hut scroll University
- - zulus: exchange? No.Demand philosophy? No. gift philosophy. Goodbye
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift astronomy goodbye
- - Spain: Exchange? No.Gift Astronomy goodbye
- - Chinese: Exchange? No.Gift astronomy (Researching) goodbye
- - Carthage: Exchange? No.Gift hbr.Goodbye
- - India: exchange? No. gift wheel. Goodbye
100 - Indians start Pyramids
- - Indians get astro from Chinese for polytheism
- - Barb archers die attacking city
- - Research -> Engineering
- - zulus: exchange? No. demand wheel? No. gift wheel, banking, astronomy (researching)
- - carthage: exchange? No. Demand Philosophy? No. Gift philosophy. Goodbye
- - India: exchange? No. gift? No.
75 - cloth van
- - engineering->sanitation
- - zulu:exchange? No. demand university? No. Update maps
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Give engineering goodbye
- - Tax 2/6/2
50 - Carthage: exchange? No. Gift Monarchy goodbye
- - French: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - China: Exchange? No. gift? No.
- - Spanish (now behind china): Exchange? No. gift? No.
- - India: Exchange? No.Gift?no.
25 - Pirates spotted just N. of island
- - Food van
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 25g
ad1 - Food van
- - Carthage: Exchange?no. Gift University goodbye
10 - Hut none elephant
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift Banking
- - We dropped to moderate -see who passed us
- - Indians:Exchange? No.Gift? No.
- - Chinese: back to pathetic: Exchange?no Gift?no
- - Spain 2 spear: Exchange? No. Don't even bother
- - zulus Exchange?no. Demand university? No. Unfortunately it's the zulus who went ahead of us
20 - French acquire Medicine (apparently a hut)
- - Food van
- - Carthage: Exchange?No FINALLY: Gift Astronomy (Researching)
30 - Spanish acquire polytheism
- - Colossus
- - Barb archer killed
- - Tax 3/6/1
- - Carthage:Exchange? No. Gift? 100g
40 - Sanitation->Invention
- - Don't pop huts until van is delivered next turn (don't want nav or invention yet)
- - Tax 7/1/1 to buy stuff
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Part 2 – To Automobile

50 - Spanish get Literacy from French for Warrior code Peace
- - Bank
- - Salt to carthage (d-466)
- - Hut Scroll Theory of Gravity
- - Hut scroll Warrior code
- - We drop to inadequate.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - French: Exchange? No. 50g
- - Indians - below us: exchange? No. Maps
- - Spanish- 4 spears! Exchange? No.Gift? 100g
60 - Dye van
- - Barb horse killed
- - Back to strong
- - disband one boat to alleviate unappies
- - Tax 7/1/2 for celebration
70 - WLTCD
- - Hut scroll Invention
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - French-down to cordial: exchange? No.Gift sanitation
80 - Sewer
- - Research ->Democracy
- - Size 13
- - Add some science back to hit Demo before too long: Tax: 5/3/2
90 - Spanish get Iron working from Carthage for Polytheism Peace
- - cloth van
- - Size 14
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
100 - carthage starts KRC
- - Food van
- - Size 15
- - Can't make last citizen happy. Tax 5/4/1
- - Hut 50g
110 - Chinese start Pyramids
- - WLTCD ends
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - French: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - Tax 7/2/1
120 - University
- - Democracy->Economics
- - back to 5/4/1
- - chinese down to neutral: Exchange Sanitation for Iron working. Gift University, Democracy, Engineering, War code, Update maps. Gift? No.
- - Spain cordial, reseraching engineering: Exchange? No. Gift engineering, University, Share maps
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Exchange maps
130 - Indians acquire currency
- - Food van
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Zulus: Exchange? No. Demand invention? Sure. Gift sanitation, University, Democracy
140 - Indians acquire University
- - Food van
- - Hut 50g
- - French: Exchange? No gift? 50g
- - REVOLUTION
- - Zulus Exchange? No. demand eng? No. Tribute? No.
150 - Food van
- - Democracy Government
- - Hut 50g
- - Tax 4/4/2
160 - Shakespeare's Theatre
- - WLTPD
- - Carthage:Exchange? No.gift? 50g
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift University
- - Indians: Exchange? No. gift Invention
170 - Dye van
- - Size 16
- - Hut 50g
- - Bump tax to 3/5/2 to complete tech before next delivery
180 - Carts develop Feudalism
- - Carts abandon KRC
- - At long last, Barb archer dies attacking archer fortified on hill N. of town.
- - cloth van
- - Barb leader killed 150g
- - Size 17
- - Hut 25g
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift Democracy Goodbye
- - Spanish: Exchange? No. gift Invention (researching), Sanitation, Democracy, Update maps.
- - Chinese: Exchange? No.Gift Invention, Medicine, Update maps
- - Indians: Exchange? No.Gift Iron working, War Code, Sanitation, Democracy, Literacy, Engineering, Update maps,
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift invention, Goodbye.
190 - Carthage starts Leo's
- - Harbor
- - Economics->Navigation
- - Size 18
- - After a seemingly interminable trireme journey...Spice to Delhi (D-578)
- - Hut 50g
- - Hire a couple specialists while we've got the food
- - 0/8/2
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift Iron working Goodbye
- - carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 50g
200 - Wine van
- - Navigation->Chemistry
- - Size 19
- - French: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Zulus: Exchange? No. Demand navigation? No. Gift Navigation (researching), Engineering, Update maps
- - China: Exchange? No. Gift Navigation (Researching) goodbye
- - Indians: Exchange? No. Gift Navigation Update maps
- - oops! I forgot: Sell colosseum
- - Tax 2/6/2
210 - Food van
- - Size 20
- - Tax 1/6/3 to keep growing
- - Indians:Exchange? No. Gift Economics (Researching)
- - Carthage: Exchange? No Gift? 50g
- - Hut legion supported
220 - French develop monotheism, Abandon GL
- - Food van
- - Size 21
230 - Pirate ship shows up next to town
- - Size 22
- - Pull settler into city to be safe
- - France is suddenly rather wealthy. Let's see if we can correct that: Exchange? No. Gift? 100g. Good start.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Tax 4/6/0
240 - Pirates unload. Argh! No leader again
- - Food van
- - WLTPD ends
- - Chemistry->Gunpowder
- - French: exchange? No. Gift? 100g. Candy from a baby.
- - Tax 0/10/0
250 - French get invention from spanish for Monotheism
- - Indians nearly complete pyramids
- - 3 legions die attacking city
- - Food van
- - France: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Tax 3/7
260 - Spanish get feudalism from Carthage for Monotheism
- - Delhi builds Pyramids(French abandon, China changes to Leo's,
- - Food van
270 - Food van
- - Gunpowder ->Metallurgy…say goodbye to first row rushbuys (and most 1 turn units)
- - china:Exchange? No. Gift Gunpowder(researching), Economics, Chemistry, Update maps
- - carthage: Exchange? No. Give gunpowder, Goodbye
- - French: Exchange? No.Gift navigation. Goodbye
- - Indians: exchange? No. Gift gunpowder, chemistry, code of laws, Update maps
- - Spanish: exchange? No. Gift Navigation
- - Zulus: Exchange? No. Demand gunpowder. No. Gift gunpowder (Researching), economics, Chemistry,Medicine, Share maps, Goodbye
- - Tax 2/8/0
280 - French start GL
- - Isaac Newton's College
- - French: Exchange? No.Gift gunpowder goodbye
- - Spain exchange? No.Gift gunpowder, chemistry, Economics, Code of laws, Medicine, Update maps,
- - carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 50g
290 - Metallurgy -> Explosives
- - carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 50g
- - French Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
300 - Indians start Leo's
- - Caravel
- - Hut barbs
- - Kill one barb knight on the way out.
- - French: Exchange? No.Gift Economics (Researching)
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
310 - Indians abandon leos
- - Explosives ->Physics
- - Barb knight evaporated!
- - French: Exchange? No.Gift explosives
- - carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 50g
320 - Indians restart leos
- - Stock exchange
- - One swamp finally cleared
- - Zulus:Exchange? No.Demand metallurgy? No. Gift explosives (Researching), Metallurgy Update maps
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift engineering Goodbye
330 - Carthage abandons Leos
- - Indians abandon Leos again
- - Physics->Magnetism
- - Tax 0/10/0
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift Physics,
- - Indians: Exchange? No. Gift Physics (researching), Metallurgy, Update maps
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - China: Exchange? No.Gift Physics, Explosives, Theory of gravity Update maps
340 - Engineers
- - French: exchange? No.Gift Chemistry (researching)
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift Navigation
350 - Indians restart leos - again
- - Magnetism -> Steam Engine
- - Hut 25g
- - Hut musket
- - French: Exchange? No.Gift Magnetism(researching)
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift Physics goodbye
- - Zulus talk - offer 150g to ally against the french
360 - Engineers (down to size 20)
- - carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 50g
- - French: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
370 - Steam engine->Electricity
- - Wine to Tours (d-490g)
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift steam engine Goodbye
380 - Beads van
- - Electricity -> Conscription
- - chinese: Exchange? No.Gift Steam, Metallurgy, Magnetism, Electricity (all). Exchange maps
- - Carthage: exchange? No. gift metallurgy goodbye
- - Tax 1/9/0
- - Hut 25g
390 - Land Caravan, french talk…Exchange? No.
- - Carthage: exchange, no. Gift? 50g
400 - cloth van
- - Conscription -> Refrigeration
- - Dye to Lyons (d-468)
- - Give conscription to Chinese
- - French: exchange? No. gift? No.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Zulus; Exchange? No. Demand steam engine? No. gift steam anyway, conscription (Researching) share maps.
410 - Food van
- - Refrigeration->Bridge Building
- - Give refrig to China
- - Tax 0/10/0
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - French: exchange? No. gift? No.
420 - Carthage starts Leo's
- - Carthage: Gift Conscription
430 - Food van
- - Bridge Building ->Feudalism
- - Carthage: Exchange bridge building(researching) for feudalism, gift magnetism
- - china: exchange? No. Gift bridge building, feudalism
- - zulu: Exchange? No. Demand bridge? No. Gift Bridge building(Researching), share maps
- - French:Exchange?no. Gift Bridge Building(researching) goodbye
- - Spanish: Exchange?no. Gift Physics, Metallurgy, conscription, Bridge building (researching) update maps
- - India: Exchange?no,Gift Conscription, Bridge building (Researching). Update maps.
440 - French get conscription from Spanish for magnetism
- - Supermarket
- - Research -> Railroad
- - Zulus:Exchange? No. Demand Physics? No. Gift Magnetism, Feudalism(researching)
- - French: Exchange? No. Gift Steam engine(researching)
- - China: They have no need for our pathetic science. Oh that's right, I gave them everything last turn. Duh!
- - Carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 50g
- - Indians: Exchange? No. Gift Steam engine
450 - Railroad -> Industrialization
- - Chinese: Exchange? No.Gift RR
- - Zulu:Exchange? No. demand RR? No.Gift Physics (Researching)
- - French: Exchange? No.Gift RR (researching) goodbye
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Indians: Exchange? No. Gift Monarchy (researching)
460 - chinese at war with france
- - Food van
- - Zulu:Exchange? No. demand RR? No.Gift RR (Researching)
- - French: exchange? No. End alliance with China? No.Demand Electricity? No. Gift electricity goodbye
- - carthage: Exchange? No.Gift? 50g
- - Indians: Exchange? No. Gift RR (Researching) Goodbye
470 - Industrialization->Chivalry
- - China: Exchange? No. Demand industrialization? No. Gift Indust.
- - French: Exchange? No. China? No. Demand indust? No. Gift Indust (researching)
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Indians: Exchange? No. gift industrialization(researching)
- - Zulu:Exchange? No. demand Indust? No.Gift Indust (Researching)
480 - Food van
- - For the first time in as long as I can remember, nobody is researching something we have.
- - Zulus: Exchange? No. Demand electricity? No. Gift Electricity, Theory of Gravity, Refrig (all) as techbomb to slow communism research (MPE)
- - French: Exchange? No.China? No.Demand Feudalism? No. Gift? 50g
- - carthage: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
490 - French change from GL to Leo's
- - Chivalry->Corporation
- - China: exchange? No. france? No. Demand Chivalry? No. Gift chivalry.
- - Spain: Exchange? No. Gift RR.Steam eng. Chivalry(researching)
- - Carthage: Exchange? No.Gift RR. Goodbye
- - Zulus: Exchange? No.Demand chivalry? No. Gift Chivalry
- - French: Exchange? No.China? No.Demand Feudalism? No. Gift? 50g
500 - Chinese abandon Leo's
- - Food van
- - French: Exchange? No.China? No.Demand Feudalism? No. Gift? 50g
- - Carthage: exchange? No. gift chivalry(researching) goodbye
510 - Chinese restart leo's
- - Corporation -> Steel
- - China: exchange? No. france? No. Demand Corp? No. Gift Corp. Update maps
- - Zulus: Exchange? No.Demand Corp? No. Gift Corp. Update maps
- - French: Exchange? No. China? No. Demand Corp? no. Gift? 25g
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift Indust.(researching)
- - India: Exchange? No. gift magnetism, Explosives, Feudalism, Corporation (Researching)
520 - French get Corp from India for Monotheism Peace
- - China gets Monotheism from India for electricity
- - Freight food
- - disband caravel toward freight
- - Ack. We dropped to Moderate. Techs at 3 turns again
- - Spanish: Exchange? No.Gift Indust, Explosives, Theory of Gravity, Electricity, Corporation, Refrigeration (All). Update maps
- - Back to 2 turn tech.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. gift? 100g
- - French: Exchange? No. China? No. Demand Corp? no. Gift? 25g
- - India (4 guns): Exchange? No.Gift Chivalry (Researching). Gift? 50g
530 - Oil freight
- - Steel ->Refining
- - Back to strong.
- - China: France? No. demand Steel? No. gift steel
- - Zulus: Exchange? No.Demand Steel? No. Gift Steel
- - French: Exchange? No. China? No. Demand Steel no. Gift steel
- - Can no longer hit 2 turn techs. Devote balance of trade to celebrate to max. Had delayed celebrations as long as 2 turn techs were possible.
- - Disband Supported legion still in the field as double-reds were keeping us from celebrating.
- - Tax rate 1/7/2
540 - WLTPD
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
550 - Freight food
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Size 21
560 - Chinese abandon Leo's
- - Refining -> Electronics
- - French: Exchange? No. China? No. Demand Refining? No. gift? 100g
- - China: exchange? No. france? No. Demand Refining? No. Gift Refining(Researching) Update maps
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Size 22
570 - Chinese restart leo's
- - Food van
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - Size 23
- - Disband trireme to continue celebration.
580 - French develop communism. Marco Polo dies…going blind from here on out.
- - Factory - gets production over 25/turn for no cost trucks
- - size 24
- - Carthage 50g
- - French: Exchange? No. China? No. Demand Refining? No. gift? 100g
590 - Electronics ->Combustion
- - Size 25
- - China: exchange? No. france? No. Demand Electronic? No. Gift Electronics Update maps
- - Carthage exchange? No. gift Chemistry to move up from cordial
- - French: Exchange? No. demands electronics? No. gift electronics to move up from cordial
600 - Food van
- - size 26
610 - Size 27
- - Carthage exchange? No. Gift? 50
- - French: Exchange? No. demands something...? No. Gift? 50g
620 - Food van
- - Combustion -> Auto
- - Size 28
- - Carthage exchange? No. Gift? 50
- - French: Exchange? No. demands Refining? No. Gift? 50g
- - Tax 0/10/0
630 - Carthage develops Fundamentalism
- - WLTPD ends
- - Pollution
- - Carthage exchange? No. Gift? 50
640 - Zulus start Womens Suffrage
- - Food van
- - Automobile ->Mass Production
- - Carthage exchange? No. Gift? 50
- - China: Exchange? No. French? No.Demand auto? No. Gift automobile

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Part 3 – To Space Flight

650 - Superhighways
- - Can't hit 1 tech per turn (not really close), but start making cash at 2 turns per.
- - Tax 5/5/0 this turn
- - French Exchange? No. China? No. Demand Auto? No. gift Auto.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift auto.
660 - China at war with zulus
- - Indians abandon Leo's
- - Mass Production -> Atomic Theory
- - China…grows weary of alliance. Wants mass production. Sure
- - Tax 3/7/0
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
670 - Zulus change from Women' suffrage to SunTzu
- - Barb ship a few turns away to the south.
- - Freight food
- - Move musket to fort to protect vans before barbs show up
- - French: exchange? No. Chinese? No. mass production? No Gift? 100g
- - carthage: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
680 - Zulus talk - War with french? No.
- - Indians get Auto from carthage for writing Peace
- - Atomic theory->Leadership
- - China: Exchange? No. French? No. Demand Combustion? No. Gift Atom theory
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - French: Exchange? No.China? No. Demand MP? No. Gift? 50g
690 - Mass transit - Pollution potential cut considerably
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
700 - Leadership -> Tactics
- - China: War france? No. Demand leadership? No. Gift Leadership
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
710 - Barbs land - 3 knights all land, attack, and die. No leader
- - Freight food
- - Route to carthage drops in value. Increase tax to 2/8/0 to complete tech this turn.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No Gift? 50g
720 - Tactics -> Machine Tools
- - Desert finally transformed to plains
- - China: Exchange? No. French? No. Demand Tactics? No. Gift Tactics
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift? 50g
- - French: Exchange? No.China? No Demand tactics? No. Gift? 100g
730 - Indians develop leadership
- - Freight food
- - Ugh. We are now mighty.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift leadership goodbye
- - French: Exchange? No.china? No. Demand Tactics? No. Gift? 50g
- - Can't complete tech next turn…cut tax rate to 3/7/0
740 - Dangit. Back to strong - old rate would have completed tech
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. gift Pottery
- - Tax 9/1/0 to complete remaining balance on tech
750 - Freight food
- - Machine tools -> Mobile Warfare
- - Pollution
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift Tactics
- - China: Exchange? No French? No. Combustion? No give machine tools
- - Tax 1/9/0 (fewer einsteins)
760 - Indians start Darwin's voyage
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Gift mass production
770 - French change from Leo's to WS
- - Freight food
- - Mobile Warfare -> Miniaturization
- - China: Exchange? No. Zulus? No. Demand mob war? No. give Mob war.
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. give Machine Tools, Ooh! they're still talking!. give Explosives, Mobile war. Atomic theory, Sanitation, Refining, Electricity, Theory of gravity, Steel, Electronics, Economics, Democracy, Code of laws, Refrigeration, Medicine, Literacy, Corporation. (All but combustion). Gift? Monotheism. Idiots. :rant:
- - Hopefully that Tech-bombing will keep them ahead of us on the powergraph for some time.
- - French (down to receptive) Exchange? No. gift Tactics, Mass production. Gift? 100g
780 - Chinese nearly complete leo's. Good thing they're almost done, since it's only been expired for 140 years.
- - China: exchange? No. Zulus? No. Demand combustion? No. Take a chance and gift combustion early due to getting mono last turn.
- - Able to drop tax rate to 2/8/0 this turn.
- - Zulus are hostile. Might as well help them out…cancel alliance with china? No.Demand mobile warfare? No. Sure, why not. Gift tactics, Mass production, Refining, Monotheism, Machine tools, Leadership, Electronics, Share maps
- - French:Exchange? No. Gift? 100g
790 - Beijing completes Leo's Workshop (Carthage abandons)
- - Freight food
- - Miniaturization -> Communism
- - French: Exchange Mobile warfare for Communism Gift? 50g
- - China: Exchange? No. Zulus? No. Demand miniaturization? Yes (since we need to guarantee giving two this turn). Gift communism, goodbye
- - Tax 1/9/0
800 - Spanish develop leadership…sure, whatever…
- - Carthage starts Darwin
- - Offshore platform
- - (prb to 120s)
810 - Power Plant
- - Computers -> Nuclear Fission
- - (prb to 120s)
- - China: exchange? No. Zulus? No. Demand computers? No. Gift computers
- - Drop tax rate in advance of research center (3/7/0)
820 - Indians get mobile warfare from French for leadership
- - Research Lab
- - Pollution
- - French: exchange? No. gift? 100g
830 - Engineer - to help manage pollution while the other two charge up for the shield burst at the end.
- - Nuclear Fission -> Nuclear Power
- - China: exchange? No. Zulus? No. Demand fission? No. Gift fission
- - start building freight/turn
- - french: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
840 - Freight food
- - french down to cordial: Exchange? No. Gift Miniaturization
850 - Freight food
- - Nuclear Power -> Robotics
- - China: exchange? No. Zulus? No. Demand Nuke power? No. Gift Nuke power
- - French: Exchange? No gift? 100g
- - Carthage: Exchange, no. Gift communism to keep them up
860 - Chinese lose nanking to Zulus.
- - Zulus change from Sun tzu to Suffrage
- - Freight food
- - french: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - tax 1/7/2 to grow one last citizen
870 - French sign peace with china
- - Freight food
- - WLPTD
- - Robotics->The Laser
- - China: exchange? No. Zulus? No. Demand Robotics? No. Gift Robotics
- - Carthage: Exchange? No. Update maps.
- - French down to cordial again: exchange? No. Gift computers
- - Spanish uncooperative: Exchange? No. give mobile warfare, Robotics, tactics, Machine tools, Combustion, Auto, Mass prod. Update maps
880 - Freight food
- - size 28 again (-1 food)
- - French: Exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - Take a chance and try carthage again: exchange? No. gift? 50g
890 - china signs peace with zulus
- - Freight food
- - WLTPD ends
- - The Laser -> Flight
- - Pollution
- - china: Exchange? No. gift Laser
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - French:Exchange? No. gift? 50g
900 - french develop refining
- - french get feudalism from indians for computers
- - Freight food
- - French: Exchange? No gift? 50g
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
910 - Freight food
- - Colossus cancelled
- - Flight -> Radio
- - china: Exchange? No. gift flight
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - French down to cordial: exchange? No. gift theory of gravity
- - Tax up to 1/9/0 without colossus
920 - Freight food
- - Pollution
- - French exchange? No. gift? 100g
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
930 - Freight food
- - Radio ->Advanced Flight
- - French: Exchange? No gift? 50g
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - China exchange? No. gift radio
- - Getting close to space flight. Put 1 van into darwin. Rush to 200 (HG) for 600g, add 3 more vans - production will finish
940 - Chinese start SETI
- - Darwin's voyage
- - Advanced flight ->Espionage -> Rocketry
- - Indians, Carthage, abandon Darwin
- - China: gift advanced flight
- - Tax 0/10/0
- - French: Exchange? No gift? 50g
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
950 - Carthage starts Mikes
- - Freight food
- - Rocketry ->Space flight
- - Pollution
- - Use two precharged engineers to transform 2 grassland squares to hills. Mine one with other engineer
- - Loss of trade from hills makes 2 turn techs unlikely so I won't even try. Set tax at 2/8/0 and stop bothering with china (Plus, I don't really want espionage or rocketry out there "in the wild" anyway. Probably shouldn't have given up Adv. Flight, either)
- - French(receptive): Exchange? No gift combustion
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
960 - Freight food
- - French: Exchange? No gift? 50g
- - carthage: exchange? No. gift? 50g
- - Man Plant options: 1) build 1 more van, then RB from scratch - cost 720, get 1 van. (2) put shields in, then rush buy cost 518. (3) rb SDI from scratch, then put 2 turns of sheilds in cost 480. Choose option 3 as it's a bit cheaper.
970 - China at war with zulus
- - china abandons seti
- - 2nd mine completed
- - Last round of voluntary contact. The other civs are so underdeveloped, I could probably give out space techs, but no reason to take the chance. - update maps for one last round of intel.
- - India: Exchange? No. Share maps.
- - Carthage: Exchange?no. Share maps. Goodbye
- - China: exchange? No. zulus? No. demand rocketry? No. Share maps goodbye
- - Spain: Exchange? No. share maps.
- - French: exchange? No. share maps goodbye
- - zulus exchange? No. demand rocketry? No. gift combustion, radio, advanced flight (its out there anyway) Share maps.
980 - Manufacturing plant
- - Space flight -> Plastics
- - 90 total sheilds per turn (3 tied up in engineers)
- - 28 vans, 3182g
- - Put 5 vans into wonder, rush to 400 (ASTCo) for 600g, add 2 more trucks, then disband 1 engineer to alleviate food issues a bit. Sheild production will complete the remaining 80s.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Part 4 - To The Stars

990 - Chinese and zulus bang on each other with armors and howies.
- - Indians start Suffrage
- - Apollo Program
- - Doh! Forgot apollo gives "pictures from space" in addition to starting space race. Guess I didn't need to exchange maps afterall.
- - Ton of huts still out there, but they are of no consequence right now.
1000 - Zulus want to talk - Send her away.
- - chinese have captured zulu city of Hlobane
- - S1
1010 - S2
- - Plastics -> Guerilla warfare
- - Pollution
1020 - S3
- - Transform a plains into grassland to help food situation more. Bonus- it’s a sheild square.
1030 - Carthage develop Nuclear Fission
- - S4
- - Pollution
1040 - French abandon Suffrage
- - S5
- - Guerrilla warfare -> Superconductor
1050 - French restart Suffrage
- - S6
- - Pollution
1060 - S7
1070 - Chinese liberate Nanking from Zulus
- - carthage nearly completes Mikes
- - S8
- - Superconductor -> Fusion Power
1080 - French develop Metallurgy
- - French change from suffrage to SETI
- - French start suffrage again
- - Utica (carthage) builds Mikes chapel
- - S9
- - Pollution
1090 - Chinese sign peace with zulus
- - S10
- - Pollution again
- - Transform another plains into grassland - hey, it’s a sheild sqare too!
1100 - Carthage starts ASTCo
- - S11
- - Fusion Power -> Labor Union
- - Tax 1/9/0
1110 - S12
- - Pollution
1120 - S13
1130 - S14
- - Labor Union -> Stealth
- - Pollution
1140 - S15
- - Pollution
- - Pull two workers off mines to reduce pollution chances for a few turns
- - Put two trucks in toward components, let shields complete
1150 - Zulus nearly complete Suffrage
- - Indians develop Refining
- - C1 - F1
- - Pollution
1160 - Ulundi grants Women's suffrage
- - Indians change to Magellan, French abandon,
- - C2-P1
- - Stealth-> Recycling (Not that it matters)
- - Taxes 10/0/0, all specialists changed to tax collectors.
- - sell research lab
1170 - Chinese develop Genetic Engineering
- - Indians nearly complete Magellan
- - C3-F2
- - Pollution
- - Sell university
1180 - Bangalore completes magellan
- - C4-P2
- - Pollution
1190 - French develop Chivalry
- - Carthage nearly completes ASTCo
- - C5-F3
- - Pollution
1200 - Chinese start SETI
- - Cartenna builds ASTCo
- - Carthage changes to Hoover,
- - C6-P3
- - Third plains transformed to grassland - yet another shield square! If only I had known!
- - Adjust workers to make 70s/turn.
- - For modules, buy 1st 200s(temple-Hanging Gardens), put in 1 caravan, then sheilds complete the rest
- - Oops. Forgot to sell library
1210 - M1 -Solar
- - Pollution
- - Sell sewer
1220 - M2-Life supp.
- - sell aqueduct
1230 - M3-Hab
- - Pollution
- - LAUNCH - 15.7 years, arrive in 1245
1231 - Pollution
- - Stealth fighter
1232 - City Walls
- - Pollution
1233 - pollution
- - Mech inf.
1234 - Carthage develops Amphib Warfare
- - Oracle
- - Pollution
1235 - Sun Tzu's War Academy (Expired)
1236 - Indians get advanced flight from Zulus - peace
- - pollution
1237 - French develop freight
- - French start Hoover Dam
- - Spanish get Advanced flight from Indians for Tactics Peace
- - Lighthouse (Expired)
- - Pollution
1238 - Spanish develop Amphib warfare
- - Carthage nearly completes Hoover
- - King Richard's Crusade (expired)
- - Pollution
1239 - Zulus want to talk - Send away.
- - Cartenna builds Hoover
- - Carthage starts UN
- - Eiffel Tower
- - Pollution
1240 - Great wall (expired)
- - Pollution
1241 - Great Library (Expired)
1242 - Pollution
1243 - Hanging Gardens (expired)
- - Do some quick math...
- - Disband stealth
- - Sell Manufacturing plant
- - Rush Statue of liberty with 55g to spare
1244 - French develop theology (My oracle expired! Oh no! )
- - French start Bach
- - Paris completes Bach
- - Someone attacks a french city...there goes my peace bonus.
- - Indians start Statue of liberty
- - Statue of Liberty (Indians abandon)
- - Pollution
- - 7/0/3 to max happiness
1245 - Indians start SETI
- - Land on Alpha Centauri

 

[Ali Ardavan]

ElephantU and TimTheEnchanter, I read both your logs. Wonderful game, both of you.

A question for ElephantU, what do you mean by:
WonderBread frees x?

TimTheEnchanter, you ask your allies for a gift every single turn it seems, and they often comply. I rarely try that. Something for me to keep in mind next time.

 

[ElephantU]

Good job, Tim. I knew my OCC game got a slow start; I was hoping I made some of it back with my bribed ship chain. You beat me handily without it.

Ali, one thing we discovered was a way to free up commodities that are blocked but available. If I deliver Salt to the French early on, then the commodity changes to Oil, as long as I do not deliver the Oil to a city large enough to replace the trade route with the French I should be able to build another Oil freight right after I deliver the current one. It shows as blocked, though, even though there is no trade route using it. To unblock it, build a Food freight, switch your city to building any Wonder on the next turn, and "contribute" that Food to the Wonder. This will "unblock" any commodities that are not blocked by trade routes. Switch the Wonder production to a freight and rush enough shields so that city production finishes it that turn and you have a new commodity to deliver. Aside from building improvements I was able to do that about once every 3 to 4 turns in the late game, because I could deliver within a turn or two using the ship chain. Very powerful, but rare to get doing OCC.

 

[A+ombomb]

For non ooc, you can use rehoming of caravans to free up commodities too - just have to cities which don't share the same supplies home to opposite, then when the route is made it will temporarily be blocked but free up once again after another route is made. I use this often to almost infinitely feed my colossus city with trade.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

ElephantU and TimTheEnchanter, I read both your logs. Wonderful game, both of you.

A question for ElephantU, what do you mean by:
WonderBread frees x?

TimTheEnchanter, you ask your allies for a gift every single turn it seems, and they often comply. I rarely try that. Something for me to keep in mind next time.

Thanks.

There are a few things you need to keep an eye on in order to get gifts from your allies:
(1) Make sure you ask civs that have a higher power rating than you. This is hard to do in non-OCC games because the human player usually rises to Supreme before too long. Once that happens, don't even bother. Typically the only civs I asked for gifts were France and Carthage because they were the Supreme and Mighty civs while I was merely Strong. You may have noticed things in my log such as when my power rating dropped, I looked for the 4 spear civ and hit them up for a gift on that turn. When I rose to mighty, I tech-bombed carthage to get back behind them in the power ratings for quite some time (This had the side benefit that if I stayed mighty, Carthage would have been my key civ)

(2) Make sure your allies are kept happy before you beg. Whenever one of my allies dropped to cordial, I made sure I gifted them something until they were back up to a happy state. (Note that this tactic only works in Classic. If you use MGE, the AI will drop to uncooperative the very next turn. To keep alliances in MGE you have to save up several tech gifts, give them all at once so the AI goes up to enthused, then ask for the gift and hope they give you all their money in one shot.) As long as they are kept happy, you usually don't need to cave in to their demands.

(3) Another thing that helps get money from them (instead of unwanted techs) is to make sure they have enough in their treasury. (Marco Polo or an embassy helps considerably in this regard). I generally only begged if the AI had 50g or more in their coffers. You can sometimes get 25g gifts if they are between 25-50g, but more often than not you'll get a tech if they have one. Since the AIs had things like montheism that I was trying to avoid, I didn't beg if they dropped below 50g. Once MPE expired I could not see their treasuries, so I just went off the trends I had seen before that (particularly, I would hit the French up a couple times, then not beg from them for a few turns to make sure their treasury came back up.) Early on, the AI might gift techs even when they have 50g, but I think once you have more total techs than them, they will prefer to give cash if they think they can afford it.

 

[ElephantU]

I also got a lot of gold out of my alliances - that is the second thing I go for when I get Marco Polo, after maps. I don't even bother to ask if they have less than 50g. In the 1000BC-500AD range when you are trying to get key wonders built, ally-gifted gold can fund a caravan every turn if you do it right, but you need to carefully weigh how large you grow your city. I like to get to 10 shields in city production then stop growth till the key wonders are built, usually somewhere around size 6-9 (depending on the production of the special terrains). If you grow too quickly you will pass too many other civs in PowerRating and not be able to beg gold from them.

I don't ask every turn - depending on the number of alliances I have (I shoot for at least 4) I "rotate" them every other or every third turn. Some civs may stop gifting for a while, even if they have a decent attitude and enough gold in their treasury. In that case I "lay them off" an extra round, then try again. I also supplement my begging with a higher-than-normal tax rate as a "filler", building up my own treasury for the turns that I get nothing. The goal is to keep up a steady rate of caravan building.

Another thing to avoid in this time frame is losing the Warrior to start the RushBuying. Don't research Feudalism or Gunpowder until the main wonders are built. I usually delay doing Newtons, but I want Colossus, Copernicus, and Shakespeare, and sometimes KingRich, Magellan and Leos.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Part 4 - To The Stars
1020 - S3
- - Transform a plains into grassland to help food situation more. Bonus- it’s a sheild square.
...
1090 - Transform another plains into grassland - hey, it’s a sheild sqare too!
...
1200 - Third plains transformed to grassland - yet another shield square! If only I had known!

Tim, whether a grassland tile is shielded or not follows a pattern. You can always tell apriori if changing a tile to grassland will yield a shielded one or not. To see the pattern go to the map editor and create a large amount of grasslands (and nothing but). The pattern should be obvious. The pattern is the same regardless of the seed (which determines the type and location of specials).

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Tim and ElephantU, thank you both for your detailed explanations. Wonderful tips. I added them to my CivTips file.