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Smart
King
We can upgrade 10 horses in 20 turns of GA. We will use ALL elephants to do as much damage to Persia as we can. At the end of GA we will sign peace treaty, and get gold for it. Then we will have low unit support (like we have disbanded all horses), because all units will be used in war.
Ok, this is my last word
Ok, this is my last word
Good, we're back on track. 
Own & Smart, if any of you are up for it, you can play on. I don't want to stall this game again.
No fighting with Xerxes please, we have a luxdeal with him and he's got all the money in the world. I don't like the thought of being dogpiled. And I'm not sure we can fight France either, after she lost some cities we can't be sure of trade-routes.
No need to disband those horses either, we can upgrade them.
It looks like PP can be useful after all, try to research that as quickly as possible and also try to get Education. I think horses and iron is enough. And 19gpt for furs from Persia sounds like a good deal, but if we can get a tech with the lux in a deal, go for that.
Own & Smart, if any of you are up for it, you can play on. I don't want to stall this game again.
No fighting with Xerxes please, we have a luxdeal with him and he's got all the money in the world. I don't like the thought of being dogpiled. And I'm not sure we can fight France either, after she lost some cities we can't be sure of trade-routes.
No need to disband those horses either, we can upgrade them.
It looks like PP can be useful after all, try to research that as quickly as possible and also try to get Education. I think horses and iron is enough. And 19gpt for furs from Persia sounds like a good deal, but if we can get a tech with the lux in a deal, go for that.
Ok, I seem to be outnumbered here on the horses issue, so I'll cave. I just don't see the point of paying 2 gold stable fees per turn to save them for a while, when our core is producing elephants just fine, and will have a stack of WE's ready to attack before we get the gold needed to upgrade four.
Smart
King
I will play after some discussion. Consider this as "got it".
We can get only Invention from France and I think it doesn't worth a war. After learning PP (should be a monopoly tech because AI research it only at the end of middle ages) we will get Invention and Education for sure, and maybe Gunpower, or gold from Persia.
We have active deals with Persia (12), Sumeria (19) and Korea (10). Inca don't have iron and horses, Japan haven't horses and is close to us. Should I attack somebody and trigger GA in my turnset? Remember, in GA we could produce WE in each city every two turns. Also, we will upgrade one horse every two turns. This means that we will get 3 WE's every turn in GA.
My option is sign RoP with France, and attack Japan. Then sign MA with France vs Japan, and they will fight with nearest targer while we will produce elephants and raze their cities. After GA I guess we will get something like Gunpower and Astronomy for peace.
Any suggestions are welcome
We can get only Invention from France and I think it doesn't worth a war. After learning PP (should be a monopoly tech because AI research it only at the end of middle ages) we will get Invention and Education for sure, and maybe Gunpower, or gold from Persia.
We have active deals with Persia (12), Sumeria (19) and Korea (10). Inca don't have iron and horses, Japan haven't horses and is close to us. Should I attack somebody and trigger GA in my turnset? Remember, in GA we could produce WE in each city every two turns. Also, we will upgrade one horse every two turns. This means that we will get 3 WE's every turn in GA.
My option is sign RoP with France, and attack Japan. Then sign MA with France vs Japan, and they will fight with nearest targer while we will produce elephants and raze their cities. After GA I guess we will get something like Gunpower and Astronomy for peace.
Any suggestions are welcome
zerksees
in remission
Can't Japan build Samurai with chivalry and no horses?
I can't recall if there will be any affect to us if France is eliminated while we are still in a military alliance with them.
What is the benefit to us of making this war other than building a bunch of war elephants?
Shouldn't we use the golden age to build universities, banks or factories instead of war elephants?
I can't recall if there will be any affect to us if France is eliminated while we are still in a military alliance with them.
What is the benefit to us of making this war other than building a bunch of war elephants?
Shouldn't we use the golden age to build universities, banks or factories instead of war elephants?
Smart
King
I forgot about it... Yes, they can
IIRC, we will get rep hit only if target civ is eliminated.
If we will build units and leave them at the home, we will get huge unit support cost.
Because of the same reason: to build universities, banks and especially factories we have to learn requiered techs, but with high unit support we will be far behind of all AI's. After war and golden age they will give us techs for peace.
It is only my option, if the team will disagree with it, we can delay Golden Age
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
zerksees said:
lurker's comment: Yes, they only need iron.
zerksees
in remission
I am curious what the others think.
More random thoughts:
Are you planning to be at war with them for 20 turns, or do you think France will sign peace before then?
Is taking the Great Library not an option at this time? Maybe a later war? I can't recall where it is.
Speaking of saving money - Do we have granaries in size 12 city we could sell? Can we afford to sell temples when cathedrals are done to save coin?
More random thoughts:
Are you planning to be at war with them for 20 turns, or do you think France will sign peace before then?
Is taking the Great Library not an option at this time? Maybe a later war? I can't recall where it is.
Speaking of saving money - Do we have granaries in size 12 city we could sell? Can we afford to sell temples when cathedrals are done to save coin?
Smart
King
France is very weak now, I think Japan will not allow peace and France will break MA
It is in Carthage, far away from our country. We aren't too behind in techs, also we can't bring new WE's to the battle-front fast. Japan is ideal target, second variant is Inca, they haven't iron and horses. But we will need RoP with Sumeria which can be expensive, because they are in 3rd place in land.
zerksees
in remission
Smart - at least see if you can figure out where the Japan iron is. No iron = no Samurais. If they are buying it then their seller can become our ally
I am not sure this war is the best idea but since no one else is responding and you are playing I guess it is up to you. If nothing else we can get some slave workers and free up gpt by replacing our workers with slaves. Also joining a few workers to get our remaining cities up to size 12 would also get us some gold.
Are you going to need to update the horses? Maybe we should hold off on that until it is needed to save some gold.
I am not sure this war is the best idea but since no one else is responding and you are playing I guess it is up to you. If nothing else we can get some slave workers and free up gpt by replacing our workers with slaves. Also joining a few workers to get our remaining cities up to size 12 would also get us some gold.
Are you going to need to update the horses? Maybe we should hold off on that until it is needed to save some gold.
Smart
King
Sounds like nobody want a war. Ok, I will not start it, also I don't want to ruin this game if I will get extrametly bad luck 
Btw, Japan haven't active trades according to F4 screen, so they have their own iron.
I will play tomorrow for sure, any more advices are wellcome.
Btw, Japan haven't active trades according to F4 screen, so they have their own iron.
I will play tomorrow for sure, any more advices are wellcome.
I don't mind a war and GA now. 
By all means, go for it and I can only see France as a good target atm.
I see an easy path, raze Marseilles and Chartres next turn. Just move all available Jumbos and horses close to those cities now, then declare next turn. Make no new deals before that with our resources and lux, but check that when Marseilles is gone, we don't want to hurt our rep..
Just watch out for that lone LB in our territory.
GA would help us a lot now as we're falling behind again. Research PP as quick as possible.
When GA is initialized, build those buildings! Cathedrals and later universities.
By all means, go for it and I can only see France as a good target atm.I see an easy path, raze Marseilles and Chartres next turn. Just move all available Jumbos and horses close to those cities now, then declare next turn. Make no new deals before that with our resources and lux, but check that when Marseilles is gone, we don't want to hurt our rep..
Just watch out for that lone LB in our territory.
GA would help us a lot now as we're falling behind again. Research PP as quick as possible.
When GA is initialized, build those buildings! Cathedrals and later universities.
Smart
King
We can learn PP without GA in 8 turns at 50% science rate. If we are going to a war only for GA, I think it would be better to wait for PP and trade it for Education and other techs. Then we will start a war and build universities to increase GA scientific output.
We will get more breakers if we will have universities during the GA instead of building them after Cathedrals at the end of 20 turns
We will get more breakers if we will have universities during the GA instead of building them after Cathedrals at the end of 20 turns
We can get Education now, by trading iron and horses to Inca. There you have your Uni's. PP in 8 turns probably means 2-3 more techs for the AI's, as they always trade between themselves.
Another reason to go for it now, is to deny Joan's enemies to grab those cities and we should get some slaves by razing them. Then we can join a few of our natives ones in to cities.
If we want to hold on to the GA for a while yet, we have the French town SW that can start it later.
PP in 8 turns probably means 2-3 more techs for the AI's, as they always trade between themselves.Another reason to go for it now, is to deny Joan's enemies to grab those cities and we should get some slaves by razing them. Then we can join a few of our natives ones in to cities.
If we want to hold on to the GA for a while yet, we have the French town SW that can start it later.
zerksees
in remission
Glad to hear gozpel is supporting a war. Stomp Joan's cities, golden age, free slaves, get some techs, research PP and sell it for techs to be named later. Sounds like a plan.
Would a great leader be too much to ask?
Would a great leader be too much to ask?
This is just silly, we've played 1 turnset since Jan 26.
The discussions and lagging are not comparable to any other game I ever played. Do we want to play on?
I take this in 6-8 hrs, if nothing happened. I'm happy to take it,Smart.
Over-commitment and stuff I understand, but where is the simple: Got no time to do it, please skip/swap?
At least a couple of players here wants to play on.
The discussions and lagging are not comparable to any other game I ever played. Do we want to play on?
I take this in 6-8 hrs, if nothing happened. I'm happy to take it,Smart.
Over-commitment and stuff I understand, but where is the simple: Got no time to do it, please skip/swap?
At least a couple of players here wants to play on.
Smart
King
I've posted "got it" two days ago, doesn't 24/48h SG rules apply to this
I've swaped in the last turnset with Own, but... :shakehead
I started it already, will post turnlog ASAP.
24/48h does apply to this, but all the sematics made me feel to make a push.
We have 5 cities to sort out, it shouldn't take long.
If you don't want war, just play that way. I'm not the almighty ruler here and only stated my ideas.
I was merely commenting on the seemingly over commited people here and I don't want any more stalling. I could do some copy/paste from the last page.
I actually will from this page:
Feb 06, 2006, 07:40 AM
Feb 08, 2006, 09:09 AM
My latest answer.
What 24/48 universe do you live in? So I could ping you?
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We have 5 cities to sort out, it shouldn't take long.
If you don't want war, just play that way. I'm not the almighty ruler here and only stated my ideas.
I was merely commenting on the seemingly over commited people here and I don't want any more stalling. I could do some copy/paste from the last page.
I actually will from this page:
Feb 06, 2006, 07:40 AM
Feb 08, 2006, 09:09 AM
My latest answer.
What 24/48 universe do you live in? So I could ping you?
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