GR19- Genocide AWE vs 30 civs.

[markh]

IBT : Omaha : barracks -> spear

1) 1350BC : just moving units and mm

IBT : Edrine : archer -> archer
Bursa : archer -> worker

Trondheim completes Colossus

2) 1325BC : not much

IBT : an American warrior - settler combo appears from the West

Istanbul : settler -> settler

3) 1300BC : declare war on America

our Western warrior spots American borders

IBT : America settles San Francisco near us, several American warriors appear at that city

4) 1275BC : found Izmit : barracks
found Aydin : walls

IBT : a Korean warrior appears in the Northern mountains
some American warriors hunt one of ours

Bursa : worker -> archer

5) 1250BC : just moving units and mm stuff

IBT : Korean warrior closes in on Edrine
2 American warriors still hunt one of ours

Edrine : archer -> worker
Omaha : spear -> archer

6) 1225BC : moving units

IBT : Korean warrior closes in on Edrine, the fortified Korean warrior, too

Istanbul : settler -> settler
Uskudar : barracks -> spearman

7) 1200BC : archer loses to Korean reg warrior on plains (0-1)
archer kills second warrior clean (1-1)
spear loses to redlined Korean warrior on plains (1-2)
archer from Bursa kills that f... warrior (2-2)

IBT : 3 American warriors suicide on 2 of ours near San Francisco promoting one elite (5-2)

Edrine : worker -> spearman

8) 1175BC : move 3 archers towards San Francisco

IBT : a purple scout appears South of San Francisco

Omaha : archer -> archer

Entremont completes The Oracle

9) 1150BC : the purple scout is Portuguese : declare war

archer kills warrior in San Francisco (6-2)
archer kills warrior in San Francisco (7-2) and razes the city for 3 gold

found Antalya : barracks

IBT : Bursa : archer -> archer

10) 1125BC : just moving units

There are two American warriors hunting our two warrior SW,SW of ours.

All in all two more contacts. Still nothing from the babs. Bowmen wouldn't be that nice anyway. Maybe we should start some walls in our Northern cities in preparation.

 

[Elephantium]

Pre-turn:

MM cities and review troops. We're low on workers, so I'll try to peel some off here and there.

IT:

Korean warrior comes out of the fog N of the volcano near Edrine.
American warriors come out of the fog near Aydin.
Istanbul: Settler->Settler
We get the low treasury warning.
Sumeria completes SoZ.

Turn 1 (1100 BC):

Zzz...

IT:

Edrine: Spear->Archer

Turn 2 (1075 BC):

Two of our Archers kill American warriors (2-0).

IT:

Omaha: Archer->Worker
Uskadar: Spear->Archer

Turn 3 (1050 BC):

Archer kills Korean Warrior near Edrine (3-0).

IT:

Four Portuguese warriors appear out of the fog N of Aydin.

Turn 4 (1025 BC):

We lose an archer before killing another American Warrior (4-1).
Settle Konya CxxC from Bursa and Omaha.
Lux to 30%, sci to 40%, riot prevented in Edrine, Alpha still due in 2.

IT:

Another Korean warrior appears N of the volcano.
Istanbul: Settlers
Edrine: Archers
Bursa: Archer->Archer
Omaha: Worker->Archer
Aydin: Walls->Barracks

Turn 5 (1000 BC):

Oops, Istanbul is out of phase.
Sci slider to 30, Alpha still due on the IT.
At Aydin:
eWarrior kills warrior 5-1
vArcher kills warrior 6-1
vArcher kills warrior 7-1
No promotions

IT:

Alpha->Wheel

Turn 6 (975 BC):

Archer kills Portuguese warrior threatening our workers at Aydin. 8-1
Sci slider to 50%.

IT:

America suicides 1 or 2 Warriors at Aydin. I didn't actually see it; my wife IM'd me at the start of the IT, and then I couldn't get focus back to Civ before it got to...
Uskadar: Archer->Archer

Turn 7 (950 BC):

I notice that America settled Miami in the tundra S of Aydin.
Kill a Portuguese Archer and cWarrior at Aydin 11-1
Kill Korean warrior at Edrine 12-1
Switch Edrine to Spear; we need more of them for MP duty and protecting archers on city-razing missions.

IT:

Edrine: Spear->Worker
Germany completes the Pyramids in Berlin.

Turn 8 (925 BC):

Settle Sinop on my yellow dot. Making Walls.
Sci slider to 40% to stop deficit spending.

IT:

Bursa: Archer->Spear
Omaha: Archer->Spear
Antalya: Barracks->Spear
Izmit: Barracks->Spear
Americans are building ToA.
Egypt completes the Great Wall in Thebes.

Turn 9 (900 BC):

Zzz...

IT:

Istanbul: Settlers
Edrine: Worker->Spear

Turn 10 (875 BC):

Kill two Korean Archers who came out of the mountains N/NE of Edrine 14-1.
Kill two American archers near Aydin 16-1.
Kill a Spear and raze Miami 17-1.

 

[choxorn]

lurker's comment: Next time, turn IM off before playing civ.

 

[Greebley]

Ok, I got it now.

 

[markh]

Happy New Year to all of you !

 

[M60A3TTS]

Looks like Istanbul can go back on settler detail.

 

[choxorn]

lurker's comment: In my timezone, it's not the new year for another 3 1/2 hours.

 

[ThERat]

Happy New Year (it's 2pm here already).

Hmm, why did we go for the wheel? Seems an odd choice to me as I would either head for writing (GLib) or iron working. I rather we get sword up soon. The wheel doesn't help us in the short term.

 

[Northern Pike]

Yes, Happy New Year to players and lurkers.

Hmm, why did we go for the wheel? Seems an odd choice to me as I would either head for writing (GLib) or iron working....The wheel doesn't help us in the short term.

I agree. I'm not criticizing Elephantium, since our discussion of what to research next was terse, and probably not much use to a new member of the team. But we can't let the four turns we have invested in the Wheel commit us to the wrong tech path, and we should make a change now--IMO to Writing, since this has the look of a Great-Library-or-bust game.

We have to get the lux rate down to 20% and the science rate up to 50%, which will speed up our research quite a lot. This will mean that our towns other than the capital will only be able to work four tiles each, whether we choose to use their extra citizens for scientists or peeled-off workers.

I'd start the GLib pre-build in Edrine now.

 

[Greebley]

Preturn:
Edrine isn't using the cows? Given the injured Archers, I am guessing that the citizens just got moved off. I would move them back before handoff - the next player may not notice. ( a note that the cities haven't been MM'ed would do fine).
Not sure why our capitol is on wealth - switch to Spear since we are under unit limit.

For the GLib,
Ok, I do the switch to writing I agree GLib is what we need here. 875BC is a bit late to be starting it, so definitely it is worth the switch and prebuild. Basically, I like starting it around 1000 BC or so and should have mentioned it specifically as NP mentions. Its hard to know exactly when to start it since the time that the AI gets Lit is really random.

We can go 20% Lux rate, but have to give up a shield in our Edrine. The Palace is 43 turns and Writing is 28 so I think this will work out fastest.

Decide I want walls in Uskadar and Omaha so switch them.

Decide to kill the lone Warrior near our towns with an Archer. Move an archer out of the town over the mountain to reveal a few more squares. It will move back next turn.

IBT: Hmm, we now have a second neighbor we haven't met as Rhodes (green) is built SE of the towns over the mountains. I am pretty sure that is a Greek city.

850 BC: Send settler S where all those trees are near 3 deer. It seems actually a good spot despite being near the tundra. 3 Deer can support forest squares on Tundra and maybe even one of the mountains.

IBT: Some American Archers spotted (3).

825 BC: Towns are reaching size 5 and stalling - hiring scientists. I may make some workers in some. Writing is in 19. We may be able to run some turns at 30% Lux to speed the palace. I am sticking with the current setup for now though. Ideally we can time Lit with the Palace by switching later.

Our Conscript Warrior see a Zulu Impi.

IBT: Conscript warrior is killed by the Impi. I was wondering if I wanted to disband to avoid meeting Greece - it was decided for me.

800 BC: Kill 3 American Archer at the cost of one of ours.
In order for Istanbul to build its settler, lux needs to go to 30%. Since we wanted some turns of that, anyway I do so.

775 BC: Mostly quiet.

IBT: Portugal: Spear and two Warrior spotted.

750 BC: Waiting for the troops. Settler will finish in Capitol.

IBT: 2 More Portuguese (Archers) Spotted, Korean Acher, Warrior spotted, Impi shows up.

730 BC: Settler completes. I send it west. We go back to 20% Lux
Edrine has now got more shields (mines completed) so it is in 32 and Writing is 16. I don't think we want to switch back to 30% as much as I thought we would, though that might change.

710 BC: lining up our Archers to attack next turn. Use Elite Warrior to get and elite Victory and cover with Spear (against some Warriors).

IBT: Koreans in Range. Looks like the Zulu Impi are going for the cows. Koreans ignore Spear and head closer.
American Archer Spotted.

690 BC: Warrior way south steps on a road he found. Looks like a colony attempt to the dyes? If so some AI may be building a road to the dyes we can connect to.
Killing the American Archer reveals another one so I cover with a Spear that was waiting for that possibility.
Portuguese Spear is blocked from our developed squares. We are hard pressed to cover everywhere I wish (don't want Zulu on the Cows either).

IBT: Warrior on road killed, but he found the end first. It doesn't go far.

670 BC: Kill Spear and 2 Warrior stack plus another Archer vs Portugal. Killed American Archer.
Still blocking cows but it uses a lot of resources. These Impi are going to be a pain. They can stand in the mountains and threaten to move and pillage cows.

IBT: Good Lord, we are surrounded by unmet civs as a French city is place in the NE. Babylon, Greek, and now France.

650 BC: Kill first Impi without loss.

Notes:
We see only 1 American Archer (observed another Archer next to it), 1 Portuguese Archer, 1 Korean Archer, and 2 Impi, Archer, and Warrior for Zulu (most still in mountains), so not heavy units yet.
We have two settlers unsettled.
Writing is in 10 turns, Palace in 28. We have a lot of scientists due to size 5 towns. Go to 30% lux and drop science 10% and switch the scientists to working and the tech is much slower. I think we should finish up writing at 20% lux and then play with the lux vs palace to balance with Literature.

We still have only 4 contacts, but know there will be 3 more soon.

We have a real lack of Elite units. There is one Warrior. Not a single archer got an advancement that I can recall.

The Save

 

[Greebley]

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Elephantium

 

[M60A3TTS]

Given the isolated location of Rouen, I wonder if it's sitting on an iron site.

 

[Greebley]

A good thought, it does seem like a miserable city otherwise.

Roading the mountains may give a headstart toward getting iron in any case. We could road towards it without getting close enough for contact yet.

 

[ThERat]

got it, playing tonight

It sure looks like a rough ride. I wonder whether the sedentary barb setting has caused so many contacts. Hope we can survive until we get the Glib and iron hopefully.

 

[Greebley]

Actually we don't have so many contacts. We have 4 with 3 close neighbors we haven't contacted. I have never seen 3 uncontacted neighbors before.

 

[ThERat]

save

1.630BC
finish off 2 impis (both retreated) and an archer that all invaded our land
defeat 2 American archers near Buffalo to advance our settler there, lose an archer though [5-1]

2.610BC
there is now an archer next to Kafa, which is defended only by an archer
exchange an archer to take out a Portuguese archer...not nice [6-2]

IT we are very lucky as the American reg archer redlines our archer but then dies, Kafa stands [7-2]

3.590BC
found Ankara cramming in Buffalo for the time being
work the gold mountains at Izmit, no growth but higher revenue for now

IT a Korean horse shows up, not good. Zulu start ToA

4. 570BC
defeat American archer next to Ankara, found Salonika in the hills east of our capital
cut down a Portuguese archer that would otherwise step onto a cow [9-2]

IT lose a spear at Izmit to Zulu archer. more enemies show up [9-3]

5.550BC
move units about, nothing much I can do

IT two Korean horses move into our territory, an Impi joins in and two units suicide at Izmit [11-3]

6.530BC
cut down both horses, one retreats first, then lose archer flat against impi, no unit to attack nearby
take out American archer next to Ankara, finally angrily take out red archer on mountain [16-4]

IT excellent, the dumb impi attacks exposed archer, redlines it, but loses and promotes it to elite
Americans lose another archer at Ankara [18-4]
Egypt finishes Mausoleum

7.510BC
attack archer next to buffalo, there is another archer outside, but I move 2 more archers in position
cover with spear [19-4]

IT Babylon is surely encroaching us, no contact yet though

8. 490BC
take out impi after retreating it
manage to defeat 2 spears and take out Buffalo, one exposed archer has to die, retreat spear/archer into Ankara
[22-4]

IT more and more units come streaming in and occupy the cows at our palace prebuild, we lose the red archer
writing comes in. lit next [22-5]

9.470BC
found Mugla, now there isn't that much space left
go all out and defeat 3 Korean units, 2 archers and 1 horse and gain a MGL
what to do with it? It's still more than 30 turns to get iron if at all
form an army but leave it empty now
take out another archer next to Ankara [26-5]

our research is actually slower now than the prebuild (and we run slight deficit)

IT great RnG as Zulu suicide 4 units at our hill outpost Salonika [30-5]
we get the FP message
Aydin shuts down as the enemy interrupted the tiles

10. 450BC
take out the culprit at Aydin
take out 2 archers next to Ankara [33-5]

Research should be possible to match, we can always work less shields if required

I left 2 units unmoved, a spear near Salonika. I wouldn't move into the town to attract more attacks
I also left the army still empty, do we want to fill it with archers or leave it empty until we get swords? Or build a pillager spear army? I am still undecided

Amazingly we still have not met those 3 Civs

 

[Greebley]

I am inclined to wait for swords with the Army. Pillaging isn't as meaningful on such huge maps and Archer Armies are awful. If we ever get to the point of needing an army or being overrun we can change our minds.

I think we should continue research on IW after getting Lit in case the GLib fails.

 

[Elephantium]

Preturn:
Edrine isn't using the cows? Given the injured Archers, I am guessing that the citizens just got moved off. I would move them back before handoff - the next player may not notice. ( a note that the cities haven't been MM'ed would do fine).
Not sure why our capitol is on wealth - switch to Spear since we are under unit limit.

Err, sorry about that, I should have written something in my log and/or checked Edrine. The capitol was on Wealth because I wanted a forest chop to go to Izmit - I switched it on turn 10 and forgot to switch it back before I saved the game

 

[ThERat]

Agree with you, Greebley. Let's try and keep the army empty for swords unless we need it very badly. I hope we can keep the current pace and get the Glib in about 30 turns. I would also go for IW after finishing literature. I hope we have iron in those hills. If not, we are in for a very rough ride.

 

[M60A3TTS]

I stopped at 290BC because Portugal just started the GLib. 4 Civs that we know of have TOA in the works. America, Zulu, Korea and France. We are 27 turns away from completion. Do we continue on or switch to FP and lose 14 shields? I just have to believe that civs we don't know will cascade with cities cranking more than the 7 spt we're making with the pre-build. Unfortunately, even if we switch, there isn't a whole lot else to build, at least until we get some iron.

We did lose Salonika, but has since been rebuilt in the same location.