Great Leader Usage: Richthoffen

[Bill_in_PDX]

Strider, corruption is horrible in my province. Most cities are 90% corrupt there.

 

[eyrei]

I believe Kells would be a prime spot...it would reduce corruption in our already developed area that used to be the Aztec empire. It would also reduce corruption in the former Japanese empire. If we should ever attack to the south, those cities would actually produce. If we attack further to the west, those cities would also produce. If we take over the entire area from the American border to the west, it would be right in the middle.

 

[Strider]

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
Strider, corruption is horrible in my province. Most cities are 90% corrupt there.

I have never.... Even in he 3 or 4 diety games I've played.... Ever had to much corruption to where I can not build anything. 90% corruption seems to me like something out of a story book. It might just be the way I play, but I have NEVER gotten to a possible 90% corruption.

Also we have on average about one unhappy person in each city. Sistane might not be of use to us now, but as we continue to fight wars we could save very much gold from the effects of Sistane. We would have to buy less lux's from other civs, thus becoming more independent. The FP we can always get later. Tell me why we are such in a rush to get it? If we don't get it now we can always get it later.... with the same effects.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Strider


I have never.... Even in he 3 or 4 diety games I've played.... Ever had to much corruption to where I can not build anything. 90% corruption seems to me like something out of a story book. It might just be the way I play, but I have NEVER gotten to a possible 90% corruption.

Also we have on average about one unhappy person in each city. Sistane might not be of use to us now, but as we continue to fight wars we could save very much gold from the effects of Sistane. We would have to buy less lux's from other civs, thus becoming more independent. The FP we can always get later. Tell me why we are such in a rush to get it? If we don't get it now we can always get it later.... with the same effects.

Level does not affect corruption, as far as I know. However, our capital is on the east end of our empire, and many cities are many, many miles away from it. Corruption is rampant at the moment.

 

[donsig]

I don't think Fanatika would be wiped in 20 ot 30 turns if we don't build the Forbidden Palace now. Yes, we need and FP, and we need it soon but this is probably our last chance to get Leo's. We're supposed to be militaristic and expansionistic going around conquering anybody we want to. Yet we're on the verge of gunpowder and haven't even begun upgrading our spearmen yet! As time goes on the demands on our treasury increase. Being able to halve our upgrade costs would be very beneficial. And we would still be able to move our capital and build the FP. By using Richtoffen for the FP we may well lose our chance at Leo's forever.
I still say we build Leo's next turn then unleash our elite's on Japan once more. By the time we get our second great leader maybe we'll know where we want our capital and forbidden palace to be so we can proceed with that project.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

(sigh) one last time......

We have big plans to take over all these countries. Kells is too close to our capital, our possible new capital(Bremershaven) and our friends India.....and we should not go after our friends India. They have been loyal from the start.

We should set our sights on Babylon and Russia, who willfully traipsed halfway across the continent to settle on our lands. Plus I want the Ivory in Ashur. Plus I want Richthoffen to be done in two turns, not three so we can finish the Japanese war with fewer casualties and move on. I have elite units sitting waiting to yield another leader, so Sistine may still be a possibility.

We are getting more cities soon from Japan, some of them will be quite productive...all of which will sit at 1 production and 1 commerce.

An FP in Kyoto will give us the military and cultural strength we need RIGHT NOW. Kells will not help us further our western conquest.

 

[Strider]

Are corruption is 88 out of 198.... The FP won''t do about anything.... Maybe lower it down 20-30. Also we will most likely have more wars after this one... we build the FP this soon and we find ourselves with a badly placed FP.. Also corruption tends to bounce back up to half if you build the FP or not.... Some of the less corruption I've ever seen is with every city with a courthouse and a good placed FP was 200 out of 800.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Strider
Are corruption is 88 out of 198.... The FP won''t do about anything.... Maybe lower it down 20-30. Also we will most likely have more wars after this one... we build the FP this soon and we find ourselves with a badly placed FP.. Also corruption tends to bounce back up to half if you build the FP or not.... Some of the less corruption I've ever seen is with every city with a courthouse and a good placed FP was 200 out of 800.

The reason corruption is so high is the cities in the area we want to place the FP are completely corrupt. I have no idea what you are talking about when you say corruption 'bounces back up to half'. Also, for an empire this size, 20% corruption or so is actually pretty good.

I do understand your point that placing the FP this soon is risky, but the nice thing is that we can move the palace multiple times to make up for this. Also, it is unlikely we will ever be done with wars, so no matter where we place it and when, it will be somewhat risky.

We need this production boost very badly. While horsemen and spearman can be produced in cities producing one or two shields per turn, it is just not feasible to produce muskets and knights in those cities. Our military must continue to grow at a faster rate than that of the AI, who has a large production bonus.

 

[donsig]

Well, it seems to me there is a great difference of opinion here. Are you going to post a poll Mr. President?

 

[Octavian X]

I wish somebody asked 'Mr. Vice President' to post a poll...

I will change my opinion and say FP is best, especially considering the emperor level. If we can reduce corruption, we can afford more luxury spending.

However, I still don't want to place the Forbidden Palace on the edge of the tundra! I do agree, one day Kyoto will be a fine city. However, placing the FP in a city based on a singular city is ill-sighted. Far more productive citys may be built in the western grasslands and plains, not the tundra.
The possibility of the capital being moved to Bremershaven, IMHO, shouldn't even be considered. A capital move should go farther east, if at all. Cities like Padmativa, and the new one soon to be built in that area, would only languish more.

We must NOT build the FP in Kyoto, nor the palace in Bremershaven!

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Mr. VP- As your records show, I cancled a PM to you earlier this morning because i saw Ekle on line. I have resent one.

 

[Eklektikos]

I have posted a three part poll regarding utilisation of our Great Leader: What should we use Richthoffen for?, if the FP, where? and if the Palace, where? Please vote in all these polls ASAP if you wish to make your voice heard before tonight's turn chat!

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Originally posted by Octavian X
I wish somebody asked 'Mr. Vice President' to post a poll...

I will change my opinion and say FP is best, especially considering the emperor level. If we can reduce corruption, we can afford more luxury spending.

However, I still don't want to place the Forbidden Palace on the edge of the tundra! I do agree, one day Kyoto will be a fine city. However, placing the FP in a city based on a singular city is ill-sighted. Far more productive citys may be built in the western grasslands and plains, not the tundra.
The possibility of the capital being moved to Bremershaven, IMHO, shouldn't even be considered. A capital move should go farther east, if at all. Cities like Padmativa, and the new one soon to be built in that area, would only languish more.

We must NOT build the FP in Kyoto, nor the palace in Bremershaven!

For the record, Kyoto has value beyond its city stats....it is a great location to the WEST. From the start, my selection of this site was always based on location. Would it be a better site if it were a bit south? Probably, but we don't have need the FP now.

And eyrei, a site that leans west would be better if we are planing to sweep the West; not one in the middle....

 

[amirsan]

I think we should greatly take the oppertunity to build the forbidden palace and increase our income, production from about another five cities and science. This will greatly put us in a good advantage over our opponents. We don't need an army yet since military tradition is very close. If we build the forbidden palace in a city with shield powerhouse potential we could build both those wonders in like 20 turns.

 

[Octavian X]

Welcome, amirsan. We always need new people in our humble democracy game.

FYI, we recently completed the Forbidden Palace in Kyoto. Thanks for the input though.

Welcome to our game!

 

[amirsan]

oh, ok lol

 

[Goonie]

Hey Amirsan. I am only been here a week and a half. Now your the NEW GUY!!!!

 

[amirsan]

i know

 

[Hygro]

I've followed the thread for a bit (I'm slowly integrating myself into the Demogame politics) and I think the FP is the best choice, however, I'd need to see a screenshot of the various locations to make a truly educated decision.

Edit: FP is already in Kyoto so says a recent front page article... next time I should put 2 and 2 together and attempt more educated posts.

 

[Cyc]

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