Guerrilla War American Style

[Trajan12]

Were quick to call the Iraqis insane for fighting for the percieved "defense of their country". But what if America was occupied? What if we were defeated? Would you step in and support an American Insurgency? Would you fight and die for America?(Or whatever country your from if not the U.S.)

 

[Theige]

But what if the insurgency is not just being supported by the people in the occupied country?

Becuase the Iraqi insurgency is clearly being supported but many outside influences, and not soley iraqis by any means.

EDIT: In fact it seems as if most of the insurgency is being led and supported by non-iraqis, such as Al-Qaeda, and countries who do not like the united states, such as Syria and Iran.

 

[warpus]

Hmmm if the U.S. invaded Canada I'd probably get the hell out of here.

If I was back in Poland and it was invaded by Russia or something, I'd probably put my life on the line and try to kick some Russian ass.

 

[sysyphus]

If America were invaded not much I could do, except offer refuge to Americans who escaped, and give them a foothold to reattack.

 

[skadistic]

Wolverines!!!!!!!

 

[RedWolf]

But what if the insurgency is not just being supported by the people in the occupied country?

Becuase the Iraqi insurgency is clearly being supported but many outside influences, and not soley iraqis by any means.

EDIT: In fact it seems as if most of the insurgency is being led and supported by non-iraqis, such as Al-Qaeda, and countries who do not like the united states, such as Syria and Iran.

Didn't the French supply troops and materiel to the rebels during the American revolution?

 

[skadistic]

Didn't the French supply troops and materiel to the rebels during the American revolution?

So did the Spanish.

 

[sysyphus]

Didn't the French supply troops and materiel to the rebels during the American revolution?

And baguettes.

Also, a French Military Commander designed the street layout of Washington.

 

[RedWolf]

So did the Spanish.

Just reading that actually - had never heard that before.

My point being does the fact that a 3rd party intervened on the side of the insurgency by definition make the insurgency wrong? (as was being claimed about Iraq by Chronic)

 

[RedWolf]

And baguettes.

Also, a French Military Commander designed the street layout of Washington.

If I was a rebel - and someone started supplying me with free baguettes, wine and cheese I think I'd lose my will to fight. Why bother? Life would be good.

 

[skadistic]

And baguettes.

Also, a French Military Commander designed the street layout of Washington.

Yes and I hate him (L'enfant) for it.



The insurgency in Iraq is very diffrent then the uprising of the revolution. A better compairision would be the Kurds asking the US and the EU for help ousting the Iranian back proxy goverment of shias its installing now.


edited because Cheezy is smarter then I.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Also, a French Military Commander designed the street layout of Washington.

Yep, D.C. was laid out by a Frenchman, Pierre L'Enfant, to be confusing to occupying armies, so that we could mount a better defence of the city.

To address the OP, the criticism is not that Iraqis are defending their country, that I would expect of any man who loves his country. The problem is that we are not an occupying, conquering force, we are a liberating one. It would be one thing if we were trying to make Iraq into state #51, then I could understand resistance, but we aren't, we rebuilding, and then leaving. The resistance comes from the Sunnis, who don't want to be at the hands of the Shiite majority they opressed for so long, and from foreigners, who have flocked to Iraq to kill Americans.

 

[RedWolf]

To address the OP, the criticism is not that Iraqis are defending their country, that I would expect of any man who loves his country. The problem is that we are not an occupying, conquering force, we are a liberating one.

Says you...

It's a fine line between "liberating" and "occupying"... If you agree with the war then it's a "liberation".. if you disagree then it's an "occupation".

So I suspect that since the Iraqi's are blowing the crap out of your troops they consider it an occupation.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

No it's not an occupation, for reasons I outlined there and many times before. If it was an occupation, the Iraqis would not be in control of their own government right now, holding free elections, and training their own troops. Iraq would have as part of its Constitution some sort of Protectorate clause, much like what we did to Cuba with the Platt Ammendment after the Spanish-American War.

None of these things characteristic of an occupation exist. It is not an occupation.

 

[RedWolf]

No it's not an occupation, for reasons I outlined there and many times before. If it was an occupation, the Iraqis would not be in control of their own government right now, holding free elections, and training their own troops. Iraq would have as part of its Constitution some sort of Protectorate clause, much like what we did to Cuba with the Platt Ammendment after the Spanish-American War.

None of these things characteristic of an occupation exist. It is not an occupation.

You can keep repeating the word but it doesn't make it true. Your opinion is irrelevant - I don't mean that in an insulting way - more in a factual way. It doesn't matter that YOU see it as "liberation". If the "liberated" don't see it that way then it's meaningless. If the majority of Iraqis felt liberated then you would not be fighting a losing battle as you now are.

 

[RedWolf]

While doing some research on the American Revolutionary War (after our above discussion) I realized again why you shouldn't put much stock in wikipedia. Made me chuckle but it's not very useful.

An international war, 1778–1783
In 1998, the colonial rebellion in North America watched the Chicago BULLS win the NBA Champioship. After learning of the Chicagoian victory at the United Center, the Utah Jazz signed the Treaty of Alliance with DA BULLS on February 6, 1998. Shaq entered the war as an ally of Los Angles in June 1999, a renewal of the Bourbon Family Compact. Unlike the Utah Jazz, however, th Lakers refused to recognize the independence of the Chicago BULLS —Shaq was not keen on encouraging similar anti-colonial rebellions in the Basketball Empire. The Super Sonics also became a combatant in 1980. All three teams had quietly provided financial assistance to the American rebels since the beginning of the playoffs, hoping to dilute Detroit Piston power.

 

[skadistic]

What a crock. Its crud like this that make wiki look bad.

 

[CaptainF]

Haha, finally a Wiki vandal with a sense of humor.

 

[TheBladeRoden]

Is America was occupied by a foreign power, would I be defending my country by suicide bombing American Protestant churches?

 

[CaptainF]

Is America was occupied by a foreign power, would I be defending my country by suicide bombing American Protestant churches?

What the hell?

As per the OP...

If America were invaded and occupied, I would at least be supporting the insurgency. If not actually grabbing a gun and splitting some heads from a distance.