Håkan Eriksson

[BlueMonday]

By Hakan:
...And one last thank you all for showing me that I'm not welcome here any more.

Spare us the melodrama Hakan. Buck up and give more than a fleeting thought to what we're saying here. You're closing yourself off and it's none of our fault. If you want to live in a fantasy land where everything is as black and white as it is for you now, so be it. I only hope that someday you can forget everything you know, and everything you think you know about the world, and especially about you and me.

Know this: untill you can do that, you are nothing more than a helpless animal.

(please note: the final statement in this post was by no means intended to offend or insult anyone, particularly Hakan. Though the statement is very much shocking, it is a statement of reality which spares no creature under the sun...including myself.)

 

[Dell19]

I liked the way how he managed to insult people who had only been argueing with him. I think he needs to realise that this thread was always going to turn out lkike this once he started it and he should have been prepared for the consequences. People are not just going to agree with and especially not when he says he is going to leave because of it.
Like BM said, this is primarily a civ site and you can still be part of the site without ever having to talk about what you don't like about America etc.

 

[scorch]

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
Thank you all!

Thank you for making me realise that there are nothing wrong with the US!

I never said anything that US wasn't wrong. But the WHOLE of the US is not wrong, Joe Bloggs, a typical hardworking american, for this example he has no views at all. He is not a capitalist, he works very hard for his every dollar, yet you diss him. Why? Just because he lives in a country where bad things happen.

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
Thank you for explaining to me that there is not a such thing as greed in the USA.

I didn't say that either. I specifically said, that yes, some people are greedy (eg. Microsoft, kill kill kill.... ), but NOT all americans are.

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
Also thank you for finally making me realise that the good things in the USA greatly overcome the less good things as guns, wars and death penalty.

Remember that it is only your opinion that those things are bad. Well, ok, i figure that everyone (with the exception of anti-christs etc) thinks war is bad, but some people may think it is nessercery. My opinion is that the death penelty is good.

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
And thank you for make me understand that every thing bad that Sweden did during the WW2 is worth mentioning. And that good things such as Raul Wallenberg helping 40 000 people from death is insignificant.

Congratulations. You just contridicted your self. You said that 'we' are bad coz we said that 'the good things america has done outweighs the bad', yet here you are playing down the 'bad' things Sweden did, and playing up the good.

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
And thank you scorch for showing that despite that you don't even know what the EU is you still can bash it.

No I don't know what the EU is. They didn't teach me that at school. But please quote me on the part that i bashed. (I can't bash anything i don't know about)

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
And thank you fore making me realise that I'm not allowed to have my own opinions.

Your welcome to your own opinions. Just like we are.

Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson And one last thank you all for showing me that I'm not welcome here any more.

You're welcome here, these arguements liven things up.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by BlueMonday
Spare us the melodrama Hakan. Buck up and give more than a fleeting thought to what we're saying here.

Originally posted by BlueMonday
You're closing yourself off and it's none of our fault. If you want to live in a fantasy land where everything is as black and white as it is for you now, so be it. I only hope that someday you can forget everything you know, and everything you think you know about the world, and especially about you and me.

[punch] :midfinger

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by BlueMonday


Spare us the melodrama Hakan. Buck up and give more than a fleeting thought to what we're saying here. You're closing yourself off and it's none of our fault. If you want to live in a fantasy land where everything is as black and white as it is for you now, so be it. I only hope that someday you can forget everything you know, and everything you think you know about the world, and especially about you and me.

You're 100% right.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Originaly postes by cornmaster:

I was going to close this topic....because I envisioned it to be a scream/flame fest. But I decided not too. And look at what it has developed into. A SCREAM AND FLAME FEST!!! But regardless of this I'm going to leave it open for now.

And Håkan, you need to stop complaining and take action!!! (About your believes...not against me or CFC. )

No offence Cornmaster ,but i advice for the future to immediatly close these sort of thread's.This is just the most un-constructive bashing thread i've ever seen,and these thread's are not realy positive for the whole community.

 

[joespaniel]

I am just a working class American Joe. Actualy my name is George, Joe is my dog. I agree that there are many seriously wrong things with America, but I personaly try not to contribute to them.

Our flag symbolizes the blood and bandages it took to found our country. Its plain we were born in blood and to this day are an aggressive people. However, the power possesed by this country is inconcievable, and is not unleashed against its own people and the people of the world for conquest and empire. We are not an evil people in whole.

American foriegn policy has been misguided, at best. Downright ignorant and pathetic at times. But we have not had as long as Finland or Sweden to learn either. America is still a young country, and like young people, we can be arrogant and proud, clumsy in our strength. Naive. Insecure. But not evil.

Even you must admit, there has to be stupid people in your country too. People that hate, hurt, predjudice... Its an imperfect world that we strive to improve by our actions, leading by example.

If you want to be the example of "civilized" behavior, that idea that we can and should be better than common animals preying upon one another, that a better world is worth it for the next generation of humans, begin with showing others the patience and respect that you would like to recieve.

People will be more receptive to your ideas, when they dont feel they are being attacked.

If you feel so strongly about the 'mistakes' in American culture, offer up some new ideas. We are not perfect (sometimes ) and are receptive to solutions.

It may surprise you, but 'corporate America' is not America. Most of us are unhappy with some things about our country too. But were working on it. Change is a process, it takes time. Americans are not happy about our own foriegn policy either. Things are going to have to be different in the near future.

And were not all flag waving morons either... Well, most of us anyway.

 

[BlueMonday]

Juize: Perhaps you should think about what I'm saying here too...your locked little mind puts in an even worse position than our relatively moderate friend Hakan Erikson. I see in you the necessity to forget everything you think you know.

And Hakan: I think I know what you were after when you made this thread. You wanted us all to come in here and sing you an apology. Guess what? not gonna happen. You shouldn't expect such things particularly when there is nothing to apologize for.

 

[Juize]

It's kinda hard to figure out the USA to not be black (evil) when
the only info out there is talk like that, TV-programs full of
progapanda-¤¤¤¤, and then the news full of info about
USA peacekeeping/worldsaving/whatever saint works they're doing now.

 

[joespaniel]

Juize - I'm here to tell you that "humanitarin" work is very difficult and sometimes deadly.

But when you live in a land rich in wealth and opportunity, where theres plenty of food and housing for anyone that wants to work for it, you cannot stand by and watch people die of starvation, disease and war. Its harder to stop war, and sometimes it just cant be.

We may boast because were proud to help. Evevryone wants a pat on the back, I guess. Some people are even arrogant, but theres arrogant people everywhere, in every country.

We aint perfect, either.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

I would have said the same BM but the server crashed...this server goes down more often that a columbian hooker!




If you give insults and you are countered with arguements and then take it personnally then jeez you're getting a ****ed up as your friend injecting a heron (I mean heroine..damn dylexia!)

 

[Juize]

By trying to 'help' other countries (even if trying to just honestly help)
the USA will do nothing but create more wars and anti-US persons.
This is probably because USA tends to help other nations by
bombing their enemies. And don't even say that 'you drop food also'.
If you're house would be bombed and then a sack of food with
a large 'USA' logo would also be dropped, what you would thought?
I would thought either
a) It's a poison sack which the evil americans are dropped to kill us all

or:

b) It's a bribe by the coward americans who are too scary to fight on the ground.

And these are not my personal opinions. They would be if I would'be
live my whole life in some small shack in Buzbegisthania. (yeah, i know, its not a country)

By attacking Afganistan the USA continues it short-handed foreign
policy. In the long run, you're just making your situation worse

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by Juize
b) It's a bribe by the coward americans who are too scary to fight on the ground.

...if you think it's cowardly not to fight on the ground, then you're obviously *STUPID* (this is no intent to insult Juize, I just want to make this perfectly clear).

Does it make it "brave" to needlessly kill American soldiers, to make our enemies feel more "even"?

The true cowards are the ones that use fear and terror to try and achieve their evil plans.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by rmsharpe


...if you think it's cowardly not to fight on the ground, then you're obviously *STUPID* (this is no intent to insult Juize, I just want to make this perfectly clear).

Does it make it "brave" to needlessly kill American soldiers, to make our enemies feel more "even"?

The true cowards are the ones that use fear and terror to try and achieve their evil plans.

Like i said, this would be my opinion if I would been live my whole
life in some hellhole mid-east under a dictatorship.
It's pretty ****ing easy to use militaristic progapanda to get
those who don't like war to an 'otherside-m*******s', or
'pacifistic cowards'. Don't believe me? Watch starlifter and AofA's comments few days ago.

EDIT/PS: Oh, and remember that STUPID comment.
I agree with you 100%. So that's why I had a hard time with some
persons (i.e. Starlifter & AofA)

 

[amadeus]

That's why I'm 100% behind President Bush in his military campaign against Afghanistan and it's terrorist allies, and the U.S. and it's allies are going to need to remove the Taliban dictatorship and bring back the former head of state, the King, to regain stabilitiy in the region.

However, I do NOT want the United Nations interfering with the reinstallation of the official government of Afghanistan, because it is in my belief that the United Nations does not understand a single word of what "human rights" are.

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/2/chrmem2002.htm

I don't know about you, but I don't think Libya, North Korea, and Cuba are exactly champions of human rights...

 

[Morgasshk]

You guys suck hairy dick and balls....

The americans have problems... So does every other country in the world... Yah, I agree, they do seem to stick their fott/head/nose into a lot of other countries problems, that isn't always a good thing...

But look at it this way... If they didn't, who the hell would? Sweden? - I don't think so.... Australia? - Same, doubt it (ok we do to a certain extent but we haven't got anywhere near the resources that America has... )

More and more people would be living fukked up lives and getting killed and treated like dirt if america didn't go and butt in and tell all these oppressing leaders/organizations to watch themselves or get ****ed up... Yeah, they use a lot of force, but c'mon, If you were a dictator of a whole country and had everything running the way you wanted it and then a big country that never strikes anyone and is meek and mild came and asked you to stop doing whatever it is you are doing - Are you going to listen - NO! You'd just say, 'yeah, whatever, fukk off now mate..." Instead the US is a representation of a big brother that helps out - AND is a busybody and get themselves caught up in others problems... But mostly all in good intentions (Now if someone starts talking about CIA training these terrorists and selling guns to them I am going to have to rip your nuts off!)

America is doing the best it can with the usual corrupt people in power and a big reputation to upkeep... C'mon, do you seriouslky think that if America hadn't retaliated in a like fashion that any other of the main superpowers in the world would start thinking they had gone soft and contemplate making inroads into US territory? C'mon.... It would have been the cold war all over again... "Sweet, America is fukked up and won't act, nows our chance to get our own back..."

C'mon! I was wondering what was taking them so long to get their ****t into order when they took a few weeks to start bombing...It's the US's trademark... fukk with us and you will end up in the grinder... It's not the best methid and not the best way to be looked upon by the rest of the world and of course it does draw fanatical attention such as the Sept 11 terrorist acts... No excuse but understandable...anyone who is anyone can see examples of this in a smaller view anywhere... - A kid gets bullied in school by bigger kids... Boom! Next day he's there with a gun, little kid blows away the bigger kids that were fukking with him.... Same deal here just on a bigger scale...
All the arab countries talk about being oppressed by American influence and interference - America does not jump in unannounced! They get invited! EVERYTIME! Never have they butted in of their own accord... It may just be that the country leader is ****tting himself (cough, cough*Yassir Araphat!*cough, cgouh) and wants America in as peacekeeprs or other situations like that...

If america did go into ANY country in force Unannounced and without formal invitation it would be an act of war and treated as such so don't start this muckraking crap about America sticking its nose in where its unwanted, it IS wanted and it IS needed!

Anyway! Who the hell cares|! It's all regardless, NO country deserved what happened on Sept11 - USA, Australi, Sweden, Israel, Afghanistan, Somalia, - Any bloody coutry in the whole world! Doesn't matter, what religion or govt. It's not a good thing anywhere! So everyone get off the Americans backs damnit! They have helped us out heaps of times and they are good friends - And VERY bad enemies...

Anyway, thats my little bit... and woe betide any who flame me you will regret it...


Blah.



Morgasshk.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Close the damn thread

You guys suck hairy dick and balls....

Now if someone starts talking about CIA training these terrorists and selling guns to them I am going to have to rip your nuts off!

A kid gets bullied in school by bigger kids... Boom! Next day he's there with a gun, little kid blows away the bigger kids that were fukking with him.... Same deal here just on a bigger scale...

Anyway, thats my little bit... and woe betide any who flame me you will regret it...

And you get the right to flame as you wan't ,because you are the "judge"?

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by Morgasshk
You guys suck hairy dick and balls....

That's where I stopped reading.

If you're dumb enough to say something like that, you're probably not even going to make a point that's worth mentioning.

 

[joespaniel]

Juize and anybody else -

My point was this:

I went to Somolia as part of a combat unit that was supposed tp protect UN forces and civilian aid workers. We ended up fighting one faction of the many sides vying for power. It went from a 'mercy' mission to combat very quickly, with many casualties on all sides.

I am not arguing if its right or wrong. I dont care, its over.

My point is, everyone of us that can read this is f*cking lucky that we are who we are. By the time you finish reading this, someone in Afghanistan, or Sudan, or some other living hell, will have died because they could'nt find enough food to live.

Think about that. Not enough food to live.

If you think you have problems, think about that person who just died. Because he or she was wondering where we are, and if we cared, and why didn't we send some worthless f*cking rice.

With that in perspective, thats why we send idiots like me to the other side of the world to get killed. Because if we didn't, we would be just as guilty for having so much, as the bastard dictators that kill off their own people.

And we dont drop food on peoples houses.

 

[SunTzu]

Go Joe!
'I agree with you 100%!'
Also i'm proud to be a flag waving moron