Hamas 'implicitly accepts Israel'

[Samson]

This seems to me a big thing. I really hope it will end up with peace, but I am not that hopefull. I woulder how much difference most of the Israli army on the border of Gaza has?

Some quotes;

Palestinian militant group Hamas has agreed to a document backing a two-state solution to the conflict with Israel, officials say.

The initiative, devised by prisoners held in Israeli jails, implicitly recognises the Jewish state.
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"We agreed on all the points of the prisoners' initiative," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said in quotes carried by AFP news agency.

More details at al jazeera

But the phrasing of the Abbas-Haniya deal appeared to leave the prime minister's Hamas movement wriggle room on the issue.
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But with Israel and the Palestinians preparing for a possible Israeli offensive in Gaza over the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier, there appeared to be little chance agreement over the document could open a path towards peacemaking soon.

Officials close to the negotiations, which have dragged on for weeks, said Abbas and Haniya agreed on a platform based on the manifesto, accepting a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Such a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would be in line with Fatah's recognition of Israel.

But officials said before Fattouh's announcement that the phrasing also noted that moves towards statehood, including Arab initiatives seeking peace with Israel and international resolutions on the conflict, must serve Palestinian interests.

That could allow Hamas to reject, on those grounds, any accommodation with, or recognition of, Israel.

 

[El_Machinae]

People theorised that once Hamas was in power, common sense would have to kick in if they wanted to remain in power.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Oh now theyre ready to 'imply' that Israel has a right to exist, thats mighty big of them. What else, are they going to 'give the impression' that perhaps they wont engage in any more suicide bombings?

 

[Samson]

Oh now theyre ready to 'imply' that Israel has a right to exist, thats mighty big of them. What else, are they going to 'give the impression' that perhaps they wont engage in any more suicide bombings?

I did wonder what they meant by implicitly. It seems there are 2 definitions that in this case seem to mean quite different things;

implicitly
A adverb
1 implicitly
without ever expressing so clearly; "he implicitly assumes that you know the answer"

2 implicitly
without doubting or questioning; "I implicitly trust him"

Since they are saying that they accept it, it cannot be 1, so it must be 2, without doubting or questioning which sounds to me pretty good.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Whatever happened to just saying something flat out. Do we say 'the US implicitly recognizes Israels right to exist'? No, we say, 'The US recognizes Israels right to exist.' Theres a reason why its said that 'Hamas implicitly recognizes Israels right to exist'.

 

[Samson]

Actually you may be right Bozo, from Al Jezzera;

Main points of conciliation document

All Palestinian factions except Islamic Jihad have reached an agreement on a national conciliation document which implicitly recognises Israel's right to exist, sources in Fatah and Hamas said.

The document, which the governing Islamist movement Hamas had previously refused to accept during crisis talks, implies recognition of Israel in a call for an independent Palestinian state on land conquered in 1967.

Then a whole load of points, basicly saying that the PA have the right to the land outside the pre-67 borders, thereby IMPLYING that Isreal can exist within those borders. Still quite a step forward I would say, but not exactly the formal acnoledgement I had initially thought.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Basically, its a de facto recognition. They aren't going right out and saying it, but they are taking actions that can only work with Israel existing. Even if its a small step, its at least a step.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Yes, you should be grateful to me, because Im willing to hint that maybe you might have the right to exist. Sure that makes a heap of sense.

 

[Verbose]

In this context Hamas "implicitly" accepting Israel means that they know it's there all right, and it will be allowed to remain, even by Hamas.

Probabaly not for Israels sake (duh) but for keeping some peace among the Palestinians. Fatah recognises Israel and it's right to exist. It may have lost the election, but still carries a pretty big minority within the Palestinian electorate. (Which is somehow often forgetten when people on CFC start posturing about all Palestinians seemingly being Hamas supporters.)

They just won't say it out loud. Not yet at least. It's a bit of face-saving for the benefit of the hardline gunmen, who are surprisingly sensitive about some things.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Words dont amount to much from that quarter. This is about the imminent invasion of the Gaza Strip by Israel over the kidnapping of that soldier. Throwing this bone out just before it happens is a brilliant way of weakening Israel even further diplomatically because of the coming attack. All the Israel haters around the world will say, 'Oh you see? Hamas was ready to make peace, and then Israel invaded!'

 

[Shaihulud]

Im sure we remember that Fatah tried to force a referendum that will recognise Israels right to exist on the Palestinians. Although the Hamas tried to prevent it and the referendum never came about, we can propably deduce that the present state of affairs was due to incipient referendum. Hamas propably decided to recognise Israel because they know that the palestinians will vote to recognise Israel and they don't want Fatah to win any political points.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

You really believe that the imminent invasion of the Gaza Strip if the soldier isnt released, played no part in this 'hint' about Israels right to exist?

 

[Shaihulud]

If Hamas is any kind of Jihadist organistation that was made out, they won't mind abit of oppression by the israeli, in fact they will thrive on it! Saying that Hamas seems to be overwhelmed by the recent electoral wins and may have become more legit, if so they will rightly fear an Israeli invasion.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Shaihulud, you dont understand, Hamas carried out the attack and kidnapped the soldier. I think that they may have offered this implication because the soldier is in fact already dead, and theyre squeezing bricks out right now, because they know whats coming as soon as they announce it. I hope Im completely wrong, Id like to see the poor kid go free.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Yes, you should be grateful to me, because Im willing to hint that maybe you might have the right to exist. Sure that makes a heap of sense.

Would you rather they not did anything? This is a step in the right direction (even if its a small step).

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Would you rather they not did anything? This is a step in the right direction (even if its a small step).

So let me get this straight. One day, Hamas launches an attack on Israel, kills two soldeirs and kidnaps another. A couple of days later, just as Israel is preparing to retaliate if the soldier isnt released unharmed immediately, Hamas suddenly sees the light, and says that theyre willing to imply that Israel has a right to exist, and this to you seems like progress?

Louis, sorry dude, but I cant help it, it just seems funny to me

 

[Shaihulud]

Are we entirely positive that the attacks and the kidnapping was done by Hamas? If it was then they are behaving in an extremely stupid way for a political entity and if their reaction is entirely unlike a terrorist organisation, which would be to say "bring it on".

 

[Bozo Erectus]

It was the Hamas 'military wing'.

 

[bathsheba666]

If Israel is about to invade Gaza again, this is likely to further stiffen Palestinian resolve, and not necessarily in a way 'acceptable' to the West.

It's mildly interesting that we normally see comments about how cowardly the Palestinians are, setting off bombs in civilian settings.

Here, they seem to have attacked an army post, which presumably is less full of civilians. In consequence they are about to be invaded again.

Why don't they just give up, I wonder.

 

[Verbose]

If Israel is about to invade Gaza again, this is likely to further stiffen Palestinian resolve, and not necessarily in a way 'acceptable' to the West.

It's mildly interesting that we normally see comments about how cowardly the Palestinians are, setting off bombs in civilian settings.

Here, they seem to have attacked an army post, which presumably is less full of civilians. In consequence they are about to be invaded again.

Why don't they just give up, I wonder.

Which ones? The Israelis or the Palestinians?