Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows...

I am saying that "protagonists" are not "flawed heroes". In order to be "flawed heroes" they would have to also have heroic qualities. With exception of Daenerys, Eddard and Frey I have little respect only for Stannis and Tyrion, and that is it.

Well, they're not heroes. They're normal people, which I think is more enjoyable and certainly more realistic than the constant barrage of heroism one usually sees. (That said, Jaime, Brienne, Robb, Jon, they all have some heroic qualities, too.)
 
poorly written trash... but at least its getting kids to read...
 
Well, they're not heroes. They're normal people,

I am quite sorry for you, if these people represent for you the normality.

Georges Duroy of Maupassant's Bel Ami has greater character than your "normal" people. (not to mention Maupassant being in entire different level of writing... and don't start about "but this is fantasy", writing is writing, and good writing is good writing and it is not dependent on genre)
 
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Theon Greyjoy: Power-hungry, unintentional traitor, unintentionally killed his own son (read aSoS and aGoT very closely to pick up on the last)

Now that is something I've never heard before: Theon killing his own son? (For that matter, I never noticed him having a son in the first place.) I could see a couple of possibilities for that, but rereading the books again is not something I'm going to do in the immediate future.

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I may be the only one crazy enough to think of it, but what if Voldemort isn't the primary enemy? It's really Snape who has spent fifteen years playing both sides against the middle, and now is finally ready to turn on them both taking power into his own hands?

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I think it's clear from book 6 that Snape is quite as powerful as Dumbledore or Voldemort ever were. The question, of course, is why he didn't kill Harry, fulfilling his blood feud and so on... It could be that Snape would be setting up Harry to kill Voldy as prophesied, and then will swoop in to become the leader of them all, but that seems a bit unlikely simply in storytelling terms--Rowling would set us up for Harry vs. Voldy for six books, then in book 7 it suddenly turns to Harry vs. Snape? No, I think there are three options: Snape redeems himself and dies in the process, Snape redeems himself and Harry forgives him, or Snape dies by Harry's hand on the way to Voldemort. I'm guessing that it's going to be option number 2, as that seems most likely from a quick analysis of their characters and the character of the series as a whole.
 
Now that is something I've never heard before: Theon killing his own son? (For that matter, I never noticed him having a son in the first place.) I could see a couple of possibilities for that, but rereading the books again is not something I'm going to do in the immediate future.



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I think it's clear from book 6 that Snape is quite as powerful as Dumbledore or Voldemort ever were. The question, of course, is why he didn't kill Harry, fulfilling his blood feud and so on... It could be that Snape would be setting up Harry to kill Voldy as prophesied, and then will swoop in to become the leader of them all, but that seems a bit unlikely simply in storytelling terms--Rowling would set us up for Harry vs. Voldy for six books, then in book 7 it suddenly turns to Harry vs. Snape? No, I think there are three options: Snape redeems himself and dies in the process, Snape redeems himself and Harry forgives him, or Snape dies by Harry's hand on the way to Voldemort. I'm guessing that it's going to be option number 2, as that seems most likely from a quick analysis of their characters and the character of the series as a whole.


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I'm not saying it's likely, but it is a possibility I came up with. I am sure of a few things though.
a) Snape is exetremely powerfull as you said possibly more so than Voldermort or Dumbledore.
b) Book is going to have a great deal to do with Snape whatever happens.
c) The ending will be something that is not easily predictable.
These bring me to the conclusion that it is not terribly unlikely to think that a) Snape might be the real enemy instead of Voldemort.
b) We get a ROTJ Vader style ending where Snape turns on Voldemort at a crucial time saving Harry.
c) Maybe Dumbledore was really evil and working for Voldemort all along and Snape had to kill him, to save Harry.

Another question is does anyone think book seven will be set in Hogwarts or are we done with Hogwarts?
 
Now that is something I've never heard before: Theon killing his own son? (For that matter, I never noticed him having a son in the first place.) I could see a couple of possibilities for that, but rereading the books again is not something I'm going to do in the immediate future.

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Near the very beginning, we are told that Theon slept with the miller's wife often, and for many years. Later, one of the children he kills at Winterfell, pretending it to be Rickon, is the miller's son. The chapter before, Ygritte tells Jon of an old King of the North who unknowingly killed his son and was flayed in the Dreadfort. Theon is shortly thereafter captured and brought to the Dreadfort. That's evidence enough for me.


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I think it's clear from book 6 that Snape is quite as powerful as Dumbledore or Voldemort ever were. The question, of course, is why he didn't kill Harry, fulfilling his blood feud and so on... It could be that Snape would be setting up Harry to kill Voldy as prophesied, and then will swoop in to become the leader of them all, but that seems a bit unlikely simply in storytelling terms--Rowling would set us up for Harry vs. Voldy for six books, then in book 7 it suddenly turns to Harry vs. Snape? No, I think there are three options: Snape redeems himself and dies in the process, Snape redeems himself and Harry forgives him, or Snape dies by Harry's hand on the way to Voldemort. I'm guessing that it's going to be option number 2, as that seems most likely from a quick analysis of their characters and the character of the series as a whole.

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I don't see Snape as being equivalently strong as Dumbledore and Voldemort. For one thing, Voldemort would not trust Snape with anything if he thought him strong enough to be a threat; we see very clearly how Voldemort asserts himself over Bellatrix, the most powerful of the Death Eaters we know. I stand by the Snape-is-good position, and that he doesn't really need to be redeemed. I'm not certain how Harry will figure out that Snape is still good and was convinced by Dumbledore, but the scene of Snape's revelation followed shortly thereafter by his death at Voldemort's hand would be powerful. I wouldn't be nearly so certain except that Dumbledore often seems accepting of death, and I can see him planning his own death for gain in the battle against Voldemort.
 
Out of left-field: Maybe Voldemort is really Harry Potter's Real Father
 
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Near the very beginning, we are told that Theon slept with the miller's wife often, and for many years. Later, one of the children he kills at Winterfell, pretending it to be Rickon, is the miller's son. The chapter before, Ygritte tells Jon of an old King of the North who unknowingly killed his son and was flayed in the Dreadfort. Theon is shortly thereafter captured and brought to the Dreadfort. That's evidence enough for me.

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Oh... I must have missed the first reference to Theon with the miller's wife. That does seem likely, looking at it that way. Food for thought, anyway. Thanks.


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I don't see Snape as being equivalently strong as Dumbledore and Voldemort. For one thing, Voldemort would not trust Snape with anything if he thought him strong enough to be a threat; we see very clearly how Voldemort asserts himself over Bellatrix, the most powerful of the Death Eaters we know. I stand by the Snape-is-good position, and that he doesn't really need to be redeemed. I'm not certain how Harry will figure out that Snape is still good and was convinced by Dumbledore, but the scene of Snape's revelation followed shortly thereafter by his death at Voldemort's hand would be powerful. I wouldn't be nearly so certain except that Dumbledore often seems accepting of death, and I can see him planning his own death for gain in the battle against Voldemort.

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Well, the equivalently strong thing seems to be mostly something that's come to prominence in the last book. We see that when he was still in Hogwarts, he was inventing new spells, and correcting the accepted knowledge with his own observations. This sounds suspiciously like Dumbledore at his OWL (or NEWT, can't remember) examinations, where the examiner said that he had done things that she had never even seen before. Likewise, Voldemort was atypically strong for his age. I think it's somewhat clear that we're being shown that Snape is somewhere in their vicinity, if not at the top along with them.

Him being a master of Occlumency means that it would not be unusual for him to be able to hide his true strength from Voldemort. Voldemort has never tried to intimidate Snape, as far as we know, and may well have been forced to trust him via circumstance... well, as much as Voldemort trusted anyone.

I'm tentatively in the "Evil" Snape camp now, after having reread the chapter of Dumbledore's death again, though perhaps he's only "evil" by circumstance (I also find the idea that Snape was in love with Lily to be quite likely, so him feeling spurned could have led to his turn to the Dark Lord). Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to help Malfoy, so there was no way that he could not have killed Dumbledore. But on the other hand, he doesn't show a sign of hesitation. He doesn't hinder or obstruct the other Death Eaters in anything, except in that he spares Harry, and that's my pet theory as to what Dumbledore was pleading about--he was appealing to Snape to leave Harry alive so that he could face Voldemort. Note that Malfoy notices immediately once he gets on the tower that there are two brooms, and connects the dots; it would not be surprising if Snape managed to do so as well, so I'm guessing that Snape knew Harry was around. Snape, of course, will have heard of the prophecy, and knows that Harry facing Voldemort is perhaps the only way the conflict can be resolved. Therefore, it was in his self-interest not to kill or seriously injure Harry. Therefore, just about everything in that chapter can be explained by him being either "evil", or entirely self-motivated (another kind of "evil", in any case).

While it's possible that he and Dumbledore worked it all out beforehand, I do not think that it is likely. Dumbledore taught Harry very little, all things considered, and is leaving him woefully underprepared to face Voldemort. He fights for life, as we can see throughout the chapter, him managing to stay on his feet despite everything, negotiating calmly with Malfoy. Dumbledore is surprisingly accepting of death, but then, Dumbledore, in Book One, said that death is merely the next great journey (paraphrasing to some extent). He's never been particularly afraid of death, and he wasn't in the chapter, but I do not know that this means he is ready to die.


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I'm not saying it's likely, but it is a possibility I came up with. I am sure of a few things though.
a) Snape is exetremely powerfull as you said possibly more so than Voldermort or Dumbledore.
b) Book is going to have a great deal to do with Snape whatever happens.
c) The ending will be something that is not easily predictable.
These bring me to the conclusion that it is not terribly unlikely to think that a) Snape might be the real enemy instead of Voldemort.
b) We get a ROTJ Vader style ending where Snape turns on Voldemort at a crucial time saving Harry.
c) Maybe Dumbledore was really evil and working for Voldemort all along and Snape had to kill him, to save Harry.

Another question is does anyone think book seven will be set in Hogwarts or are we done with Hogwarts?

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Simply because of the structure of the series so far, I find it unlikely that Snape will turn out to be the real enemy. So either we have Snape as the warmup to Voldy, or Snape as the redeemed man who helps kill Voldy. Either one seems fairly likely.
 
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