Harry Potter

[Gelion]

Rambuchan thank you for recognising my point and I did read your discussion with Cuivienen. Are you going to adress my post? . I'm sorry if you did in your last post, but I assume you did not....

 

[Rambuchan]

Rambuchan thank you for recognising my point and I did read your discussion with Cuivienen. Are you going to adress my post? . I'm sorry if you did in your last post, but I assume you did not....

Was this the answer you are looking for? I did include this in my last post:

Ever thought how we see blurred moral lines in cultural output more these days? As in the current Batman Begins? Or in Sin City? Ever considered how notions of personal morality, which overides institutional morality, is on the rise? Let's widen it a bit please and not turn into an HP fanclub thread.

If I've addressed you ok then we can continue and discuss what blurred morals mean both for children and society as a whole. Then we'll see if HP is doing us a favour or not.

 

[Gelion]

My concern is with popularity of this book in the news and among the readers thats why I think HP stands out.

 

[Rambuchan]

My concern is with popularity of this book in the news and among the readers thats why I think HP stands out.

And I call this a triumph of marketing over content. Is that how you see it?

 

[Gelion]

Not exactly The content is there, but I do not think this thing is getting proper attention and its not to do with marketting or sales.

 

[Rambuchan]

Not exactly The content is there, but I do not think this thing is getting proper attention and its not to do with marketting or sales.

Sorry what thing isn't getting proper attention?

 

[Gelion]

Ah! Yes I understand what you mean better now. Why don't you say it in the thread for all those HP fans to read? I'm sure it will inspire some good debate. Thanks for the PM.

Following Ram's advice (posting it here):

I think the media is making a great deal of this HP book and considering what I've read in it I think its a propaganda book for the "new" set of morals I do not like. Hope that explains it

 

[Rambuchan]

I think the media is making a great deal of this HP book and considering what I've read in it I think its a propaganda book for the "new" set of morals I do not like. Hope that explains it

That's pretty controversial man. I might have to go get some popcorn .

 

[Bluemofia]

The Harry Potter world is BS. Not the magic. But the charachters are purer than snow. They aren't sexually, morally, or mentally impure. They aren't completely immature gits.

They go around, sneaking into forbidden areas, and do dangerous stuff? Now excuse me, but if I didn't have a really good excuse, and a clean record, I'd have been expelled by now.

These 2 sections contradict each other. IMHO, being reckless is immature.

Then you hugely inflate the prices of the books, so I could probably buy DVDs, computer games, and who know's what else for the same price (I could have a good weekend for that sort of cash!).
The books are expensive. They don't even release them in paperback.

No, I got #6 for 14 bucks, and yes, they do come out in paperback.

Correct me if I am wrong, these books look like they are in paperback.

Then you get to all the spinoff merchandise.
"Harry Potter PC game". "Harry Potter Lego set". "Harry Potter Barry Bumpkin Magical Broad Bean Sweets". "Harry Potter underwear set" "Harry Potter carrot" "Harry Potter jackboots and armband".

Don't they do this with everything popular?

 

[nonconformist]

These 2 sections contradict each other. IMHO, being reckless is immature.

Nope. Blowing up cans of deoderant, torturing teachers, having apple fights and mbeating each other up is immmature.

No, I got #6 for 14 bucks, and yes, they do come out in paperback.

Correct me if I am wrong, these books look like they are in paperback.

Okay, they eventually come out im paperback.

Don't they do this with everything popular?

It's a sad by-product of our society, but they only milk the cash cow for some popular things, which attract the most gullible members of our society (i.e 8-17 year olds). They haven't done it for, say, mtotr vehicles, music, or adult lirterature, as far as I can tell.

 

[Syterion]

I found an article on how Harry Potter is undoubtedly indoctrinating Satanism. It's absolutely hilarious. Lucius Malfoy is an Angel, Voldemort is God(I'm not kidding), and Voldemort's diary is the Bible. Here it is

My favorite part is this -

In a particularly distasteful and lewd display, Potter tries to tempt the rightfully furious Angel [Lucius Malfoy] by raising his pant leg and showing him his nude ankle. In this way the Harry Potter books contribute to the hidden gay agenda. When this temptation is refused, he has a malignant house spirit who embodies all the evils of stem-cell research curse the angel down.

 

[Bluemofia]

Nope. Blowing up cans of deoderant, torturing teachers, having apple fights and mbeating each other up is immmature.

Wow. Then I have never been immature in my life.

Okay, they eventually come out im paperback.

Well, seeing that Harry Potter 5 came out in paperback already, and how my first Harry Potter book (#1) is in paperback, (I got it 6 years ago) eventually doesn't seem like a long time.

It's a sad by-product of our society, but they only milk the cash cow for some popular things, which attract the most gullible members of our society (i.e 8-17 year olds). They haven't done it for, say, mtotr vehicles, music, or adult lirterature, as far as I can tell.

That's because the age you give are more often irrational, and usually attention loving. (from my expierence)

 

[Cuivienen]

Okay, they eventually come out im paperback.

All books (of significance) do this - they come out in hardcover first, then in paperback a few months later (for HP6, I believe the paperback release is in October). The real reason is that people who care enough to buy the book shortly after the release date will probably want a lasting version anyway and won't care that it's more expensive.

 

[nonconformist]

All books (of significance) do this - they come out in hardcover first, then in paperback a few months later (for HP6, I believe the paperback release is in October). The real reason is that people who care enough to buy the book shortly after the release date will probably want a lasting version anyway and won't care that it's more expensive.

I much prefer books im paperback, and usually thriller books and the like are released in poaperback.
Hardback is just an inconvenience.

 

[Darth_Pugwash]

On the subject of the kids being little angels: Harry Potter is not supposed to be realistic drama, its light entertainment. Besides, I don't act in the ways you describe, either.

 

[MSTK]

If anyone says that Snape is a "bad guy", they are 98% logically incorrect.

Snape may be the antagonist in some ocassions, but through and through he's shown himself to be a trustworthy person.

*eats words*

 

[azzaman333]

Nope. Blowing up cans of deoderant, torturing teachers, having apple fights and mbeating each other up is immmature.

What about throwing socks in pools at parties in the middle of winter

 

[Ahmad]

I bought the sixth book yesterday and so far I'm enjoying it. The tale has been improving with each new book that comes out.

To be honest though, I think the main reason - and there are many! - that I'm reading HP is to find out what the deal is with Snape and how he turns out in the end.

As for other books in the same genre.. The Song of Ice and Fire series is amazing for a host of other reasons and I can't wait for the 4th book coming out on Nov 8th. I stopped reading The Wheel of Time series and The Sword of Truth series because they just keep going and going and going and going nowhere.. or if they are going somewhere, nobody really cares anymore.

 

[Dida]

where is it repetetive, it does always start off with him sad at home but then he leaves on some adventure, and then at the end he confrences with dumbledor, but these parts are like the way you do the same (ish) thing every christmas. The storys are always fresh, who could see that sirius was going to die, and who had any idea what a goblet of fire and the a order of the phenoix were?

The Harry Potter books are getting more and more predictable. I feel that the author is actively making up stuff to fill the pages. (almost everything in a fiction is made up, but the best fiction sounds real and smooth). Plus, the characters are so naive and un-interesting. I will probably read this new potter book, but I will not buy it, and I won't read it till I have more time on hand. In fact, every Potter book that i have read, I read it at least 1 year after its release day. I just don't feel very attracted to the story like some people.

 

[aneeshm]

Spoiler Book 6 Details :

I have to agree with MattBrown. You don't kill Dumbledore and stay trustworthy...

In reply , I must say

Spoiler :

that I respectfully disagree . We do not know , after all , whether he was forced ( by Dumbledore ) to do what he did .