They were already planning on improving Metro.
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They were already planning on improving Metro.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
They are is a lot of talk about the return of the start menu. The start button itself is coming back according the very site you liked me too as well as a boot to desktop option, a step in the right direction. The full return of the start menu would be the best thing, the start screen and Metro just suck. MS does not want Windows 8 to fail like Vista and ME did.
Microsoft has abandon failures before, Bob, The Zune, Active Desktop. Hopefully by the time Windows 9 is released Metro is relegated the scrapheap of technology history. At least for desktops and laptops.
Archbob
Ancient CFC Guardian
Ignoring every statistic that matters like sales, adoption, and marketshare, also doesn't make it not a failure. And seriously, #5 Tablet maker is something to trumpet? My God, MS is really desparate if they pull out a stat like that. They've just barely managed to get past Barnes and Noble's Nook in marketshare, and nook is at like 1.6% or something. Sales and adoption of Windows 8 across all platforms, desktop and mobile have been nothing short of a disaster for Microsoft.
Microsoft is in a hurry to update to 8.1 and is also hurrying to design a cheaper tablet because every one of its new products has failed miserably in the marketplace.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
Windows 8.1 be one of two things. A full on fall back with the full return of the start menu as an option and the desktop as the main feature or a last ditch attempt to save Metro with the the latter becoming likely for Windows 8.2 or Windows 9.
Mr.WorldWide
Smugly Inferior
Metro cannot replace the functionality of the desktop. If it did then it would be no longer be called Metro (or "Modern" if you prefer).
Just talk, won't happen
Start button is staunchly opposed by Windows engineering team, if this happens it's been pushed down from above. It's especially pointless because it wouldn't change how the OS works at all, you already click in the corner to access the start screen.
And you can already boot to desktop, I don't know why people keep bringing this up, it couldn't possibly be more inconsequential.
You haven't provided any reasoning to support your opinion of the start screen and Metro is still completely optional.
MS doesn't consider Vista or ME to be failures.
They didn't really abandon Zune (well, other than the desktop software), they turned it into Windows Phone.
Why? It's optional? How does it in anyway make your experience worse?
Quality of OS is pretty important.
If you have noticed, MS stock is up 20%+ YoY, and Bill Gates is the richest man in the world again.
MS has never mentioned it.
It's pretty much impossible for sales of an MS OS to be a disaster.
The schedule for 8.1 was determined long before the release of 8.
It will be neither of those things, it will be a gradual improvement of the OS and a stepping stone to the next version, as every OS since Vista has been.
The lack of sideloading or subscription revenue alone for software makers makes certain it's not going to be a replacement - Adobe is never going to release Metro Photoshop for which MS gets a 30% cut and they get a 1-time payment with no subscription, and I doubt MS is going to release Visual Studio on Metro within the next decade.
Replacing the desktop isn't particularly important though, it extends the desktop.
While the Surface Pro is not cheap I would buy it if I had the cash
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
Metro is very much forced on Windows 8 users despite the fact it is terrible. The start screen is just an extension of Metro UI on the desktop interface. If the Windows engineering team is against it, find out which members are and fire them. Windows 8 has been a failure so far.
How?
Explain to me a single specific metro feature which I'm being forced to use.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
The blasted start screen, which is just Metro BS on the desktop. Having a menu take up the whole screen is pointless being very intrusive when multitasking. Not to mention when you first boot into Windows 8 you have to start in Metro. I am considering who is more to blame, Steve Ballmer or Julie Larson-Green? Needless to say I hate both of them for the garbage that is Metro UI.
Nope, this works exactly the same as Windows 7, I type some stuff and hit enter.
I have four monitors, the start screen pops up on one of my secondary ones which I don't even need to look at when I launch anything.
No I don't. Even if I did, I reboot my computer on a monthly basis, and only need to hit enter from the start screen to go to the desktop, which takes about .1 seconds.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
Not everyone has multiple Monitors, so for people who don't it is very intrusive.
My question was about which Metro features are being forced onto me.
Really? When I open the start menu/screen on 8/7, I'm busy looking for what I want to open. How the heck do you look to open something while doing something else at the same time?
Mr.WorldWide
Smugly Inferior
Can I pin a shortcut to metro without it constantly accessing the internet to keep it "live"?
Mr.WorldWide
Smugly Inferior
Well that is a comfort, one thing about Metro apps is they tend to encourage over simplification of the UI which often omits a wealth of important (to me) options.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
Well Microsoft has officially shot themselves in the foot yet again with there next XBox console, the "XBox One" (stupid name if you ask me)
1. They will REQUIRE hard drive installs on a HD that is only 500 GB. No Hard Drive installs was one of the advantages of consoles, a very dumb idea to say the least.
2. In edition to that, a fee of an undisclosed amount will be required for gamers to play used games with a rumor of that fee being full retail price. This not only damages or maybe even eliminates the point of buying used games but also kills the ability to loan a game to a friend and the game rental business.
3. Kinect as a required accessory that has to always be plugged in, including a camera. Talk about paranoia fuel.
4. No Backwards compatibility
All of these combined will likely cost MS this console war and hand it to Sony this round. This will cost Microsoft millions, I for one will likely not be buying this new Xbox. First they screw up Windows 8 and now this. Steve Ballmer is a complete and utter idiot.
1. They will REQUIRE hard drive installs on a HD that is only 500 GB. No Hard Drive installs was one of the advantages of consoles, a very dumb idea to say the least.
2. In edition to that, a fee of an undisclosed amount will be required for gamers to play used games with a rumor of that fee being full retail price. This not only damages or maybe even eliminates the point of buying used games but also kills the ability to loan a game to a friend and the game rental business.
3. Kinect as a required accessory that has to always be plugged in, including a camera. Talk about paranoia fuel.
4. No Backwards compatibility
All of these combined will likely cost MS this console war and hand it to Sony this round. This will cost Microsoft millions, I for one will likely not be buying this new Xbox. First they screw up Windows 8 and now this. Steve Ballmer is a complete and utter idiot.
azzaman333
meh
I consider that to be a positive.
Inability to borrow a game off a friend is mildly annoying, but nothing else there concerns me in the slightest.
No one cares about what you're doing in front of your console.
Annoying, but it's the same with the PS4 IIRC.
If these are the only problems with the Xbox1, then it's done a pretty damn good job overall.
I don't know why you have such a vendetta against Microsoft. It seems rather petty.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
I do not hate Microsoft. I used to be a staunch Microsoft defender. I just don't like the direct they have gone with Windows 8 and now with the XBox One. Limiting used games and requiring hard drive installs on a relatively small 500 GB HD is just dumb. That used to be an advantage console games had was no need for installations. This is Microsoft treating all gamers like criminals.
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