Has Microsoft stumbled?
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Mr.WorldWide
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Office 2007 home and student wouldn't cost $700 USD like you propose if you installed it on all those PCs. More like $240 for 6 PCs.
2007 had an anomalous license scheme which won't be available for any future version, and will be a decade old and no longer supported in another few years when your 365 subscription is still fully up to date.
So correct my previous post to "365 Home Premium is massively cheaper than any version more recent than 2007 if you make use of all the devices."
So correct my previous post to "365 Home Premium is massively cheaper than any version more recent than 2007 if you make use of all the devices."
Mr.WorldWide
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My 2007 Office suite is fully up to date, patch-wise, and MS has not provided a single compelling reason for a user like me to upgrade to a newer version of the suite, such as 2013.
Well, that is unless you consider SHOUTING MENUS TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT. What are they smoking over there in Redmond?
Well, that is unless you consider SHOUTING MENUS TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT. What are they smoking over there in Redmond?
Yes, I was clearly saying that in 2017, your 2007 Office suite will no longer be patched.
There are a pile of upgrades the average user, or any advanced user could benefit from in 2013 vs 2007, but presumably you can check the wiki list of new features as easily as me, and find reasons to shoot them all down for your own use, so I'm not going to waste my time listing them.
There are a pile of upgrades the average user, or any advanced user could benefit from in 2013 vs 2007, but presumably you can check the wiki list of new features as easily as me, and find reasons to shoot them all down for your own use, so I'm not going to waste my time listing them.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
Here is an interesting article on the Windows 8 failure.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/330c8b8e-b66b-11e2-93ba-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2SblIVfKk
Lets hope they rethink there approach and bring back the start menu and the option to boot straight to desktop without any third party stuff needed. Windows 8 is a failure. Also there Surface tablet is not selling well.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/330c8b8e-b66b-11e2-93ba-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2SblIVfKk
Lets hope they rethink there approach and bring back the start menu and the option to boot straight to desktop without any third party stuff needed. Windows 8 is a failure. Also there Surface tablet is not selling well.
Start menu isn't coming back, you can already boot to desktop without any third party stuff needed.
Repeating yourself about Windows 8 being a failure doesn't make it so.
And the Surface tablet is selling well enough to make MS the #5 manufacturer of tablets in the world, with most of the volume of #2-4 (Samsung, Asus, Amazon) being cheap <$200 tablets with zero profit margin.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
The Financial Times is very creditable for this type of information. When it comes to business, they know what they are talking about. So when the Financial Times says "Microsoft prepares rethink on Windows 8 flagship software" it should say something.
It says they want page hits.
There's nothing nearing the level of "admission of failure" from any on-record MS person, or from any insider sources from any respected technology journalists.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/10/4...-windows-8-criticism-defends-upcoming-changes
Mr.WorldWide
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Even if MS was wrong, I'm not saying they are, they wouldn't admit it.
This has pretty much been covered before but I believe when someone mentions 8 it immediately brings to mind the picture of a tablet. Heck, every other sentence seems to be about what a great tablet OS 8 is.
This isn't all bad and I'm thinking of getting a MS tablet to replace my 5yr old laptop but I still believe desktop PC users shouldn't have had the touch centric UI 8 uses foisted upon them.
This has pretty much been covered before but I believe when someone mentions 8 it immediately brings to mind the picture of a tablet. Heck, every other sentence seems to be about what a great tablet OS 8 is.
This isn't all bad and I'm thinking of getting a MS tablet to replace my 5yr old laptop but I still believe desktop PC users shouldn't have had the touch centric UI 8 uses foisted upon them.
It's not foisted on them, I use my desktop with Windows 8 in exactly the same way as I used it with Windows 7. 
(Actually, at the moment, I'm using a touch-screen Windows 8 laptop plugged into 3 external monitors, with the laptop lid closed, because I don't care about touch.)
(Actually, at the moment, I'm using a touch-screen Windows 8 laptop plugged into 3 external monitors, with the laptop lid closed, because I don't care about touch.)
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
Never heard of this site until you liked me to it. So I consider the Financial Times and the Economist to be more creditable then they are.
That really says a lot about your knowledge of technology journalism, and nothing about the quality of the sites.
The Verge is a big hitter in tech journalism, on par with Engadget, ArsTechnica, Anandtech, BGR, etc. The Financial Times and The Economist are basically non-factors when it comes to tech journalism. When it comes to print media, the NYT and the WSJ are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head that do any serious tech journalism.
And really, if you read the articles, you can see the FT is just making sensationalist headlines up based on the sources, while The Verge is pretty accurately reporting.
Mr.WorldWide
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It's not foisted on them, I use my desktop with Windows 8 in exactly the same way as I used it with Windows 7.
(Actually, at the moment, I'm using a touch-screen Windows 8 laptop plugged into 3 external monitors, with the laptop lid closed, because I don't care about touch.)
If you don't care about touch, why did you buy a laptop with a touch screen?
The fact that MS considers the desktop "legacy" is how I drew my conclusion that the new metro UI is being imposed on users. Atm it's not mandatory like you pointed out but only time will tell which direction MS takes.
The touchscreen laptop may be attractive for other reasons? The Asus VivoBooks for example look quite attractive even if you don't care about their touchscreens (nice-ish small laptops with Full HD screens, for a reasonable price).
If you don't care about touch, why did you buy a laptop with a touch screen?
The fact that MS considers the desktop "legacy" is how I drew my conclusion that the new metro UI is being imposed on users. Atm it's not mandatory like you pointed out but only time will tell which direction MS takes.
Free laptop, and the touchscreen is nice if I were to undock it and use it like a laptop.
aimeeandbeatles
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That's one of the silliest arguments I've seen in a while.
Tommy Vercetti
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If you don't care about touch, why did you buy a laptop with a touch screen?
The fact that MS considers the desktop "legacy" is how I drew my conclusion that the new metro UI is being imposed on users. Atm it's not mandatory like you pointed out but only time will tell which direction MS takes.
That is also of major concern to me. I don't want to see Microsoft get rid of the desktop. Hopefully the large amount of criticism of Windows 8, the fact most people who do use it tend to dislike Metro should send a message to them.
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