Heretic Cata's mod (developement thread)

[Heretic_Cata]

Any orks in there?

Not exactly - i'm not reffering to that kind of fantasy. A little bit of mythology

 

[Stormrage]

Oh, mythology is good, I like that Now I`m off to search for some ork mythology No luck with the star of David so far, I`ve searched here and on GIDustin`s site

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Oh, mythology is good, I like that Now I`m off to search for some ork mythology No luck with the star of David so far, I`ve searched here and on GIDustin`s site

I remembered i have a dragon and some mages over there - this is the fantasy part.
I asked ukas to make the star of david - he said he would help.

 

[Stormrage]

Great! Ukas is a nice guy

Dragon & mages?

 

[Richard Cribb]

This looks interesting, and I wish you good luck on your continous work with your mod.
I don't have much time right now, but I might come back to this. I just want to comment on two of the wonders, which I don't approve of.
First of all, The Third Reich. I must disagree with your claim. Germany was not a "backward" country at the time, due to unfortunate circumstances it had its problems, but actually the Weimar Republic was the first modern welfare state and might actually be a better GW. Or perhaps something connected with German cultures great contribution to art, philosophy and science.
The Great Purge is also quite offensive. Russia is also a country with rich intellectual and spiritual traditions. Or if you want something political, why not for instance Peters Reforms or The October Revolution?

 

[Stormrage]

Well you sure are politaclly correct! I like these suggestions, even tho I`m extremly politically incorrect..

 

[Heretic_Cata]

First of all, The Third Reich. I must disagree with your claim. Germany was not a "backward" country at the time, due to unfortunate circumstances it had its problems, but actually the Weimar Republic was the first modern welfare state and might actually be a better GW. Or perhaps something connected with German cultures great contribution to art, philosophy and science.
The Great Purge is also quite offensive. Russia is also a country with rich intellectual and spiritual traditions. Or if you want something political, why not for instance Peters Reforms or The October Revolution?

I couldn't add the October Revolution - kuz it would be strange to build the Revolution-wonder AFTER you turn to communism through a Revolution. HOWEVER, this is a very good idea - since the effect in the game of the Great Purge & The Revolution would be similar - (unhappy everywhere, produces soldiers). I will ponder on this ...

Yea, "backward" - was kind of a harsh word. Torn apart, crippled - would be more correct. The Weimar Republic did have some merits - but those pale in comparison to the 3rd Reich.
IIRC you've read what i wrote in OT(http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=160203&page=4) at the topic "Name someone who you may not totally agree with, but whom you can admire anyway." about my fascination for Hitler and Stalin so i simply cannot remove this - srry .

Also you shouldn't think that these wonders are all good (in the game) - the 3rd Reich has (among PLENTY of other things) smthing like (i didn't reach a permanent choice, so this might change in the end) + 6 happy in city but 6 unhappy faces in all cities to simulate that not everything is so gleefull as it might seem; also the maintainance is 20/40 i think, the nazis were not exactly enviromentalists so a 3-5 polution is added; also this builds Concentration Camps in all cities - they have another unhappy face; also they didn't contribute to culture to much so i decreased culture too.
So for the gamer playing with Germany, he has a choice - no one is making him turn to fascism and build it. The same happens with the Ahnenerbe and Thule Society - no one is making anyone build them but YOU CAN

I also wanted to add (for china) "The Cultural Revolution"- who does the same thing as the Great Purge - unhappy all but produce soldiers - but since china has HUGE numbers of "Wonders" that are a LOT more intresting than [Mao & company]'s atrocities. So adding this was out of the question.

 

[Richard Cribb]

Yea, "backward" - was kind of a harsh word. Torn apart, crippled - would be more correct. The Weimar Republic did have some merits - but those pale in comparison to the 3rd Reich.

Sorry, but I disagree. i see few merit with The Third Reich, even when you exclude the atrocities.
And just compare Germany at the time Hitler came to power and Germany at the end of ww2. When do you think that Germany was most torn apart and crippled really?

IIRC you've read what i wrote in OT(http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=160203&page=4) at the topic "Name someone who you may not totally agree with, but whom you can admire anyway." about my fascination for Hitler and Stalin so i simply cannot remove this - srry .

Yes I did read it. Furthermore it is your mod and I am not going to tell you what to do, that is entirely up to you. I just offered a few suggestions. I might come up with some more. Take it or leave it.

Also you shouldn't think that these wonders are all good (in the game) - the 3rd Reich has (among PLENTY of other things) smthing like (i didn't reach a permanent choice, so this might change in the end) + 6 happy in city but 6 unhappy faces in all cities to simulate that not everything is so gleefull as it might seem; also the maintainance is 20/40 i think, the nazis were not exactly enviromentalists so a 3-5 polution is added; also this builds Concentration Camps in all cities - they have another unhappy face; also they didn't contribute to culture to much so i decreased culture too.
So for the gamer playing with Germany, he has a choice - no one is making him turn to fascism and build it. The same happens with the Ahnenerbe and Thule Society - no one is making anyone build them but YOU CAN

Well, that is interesting for sure. My critique was only directed at what I see as a misrepresentation of a great civilization. It is a bit like the Spanish in the Civ3 series, having a thug as a UU while a much better choice would have been the infantry unit that revolutionized European warfare.

I also wanted to add (for china) "The Cultural Revolution"- who does the same thing as the Great Purge - unhappy all but produce soldiers - but since china has HUGE numbers of "Wonders" that are a LOT more intresting than [Mao & company]'s atrocities. So adding this was out of the question.

True. But I think that goes for Germany as well.
@ Stormrage: Yes I am "politically correct" and darned proud of it.

 

[Rambuchan]

@ Stormrage: Yes I am "politically correct and darned proud of it.

Bleeding heart more like . Good to see you "'fessing up there" Luc .

 

[Richard Cribb]

Bleeding heart more like .

Yes, that too. And girly man.

Good to see you "'fessing up there" Luc .

OK. Whatever that may mean..

 

[Rambuchan]

It's a reference to Ciceronian's current signature. Check it out and all will be clear.

 

[Plotinus]

Personally, I'm a sandals-wearing Guardianista, which means a bleeding heart girly man is what I aspire to be...

 

[Rambuchan]

Well my commiserations to you Plot, and to our dear thread starter, who now know what great girlymen us three are but very little more about this mod's development!

 

[Richard Cribb]

Personally, I'm a sandals-wearing Guardianista, which means a bleeding heart girly man is what I aspire to be...

Let me paraphrase John Lennon: A bleeding heart girly man is something to be...

Well my commiserations to you Plot, and to our dear thread starter, who now know what great girlymen us three are but very little more about this mod's development!

First of all he should really know the VIP around here, secondly I have offered more or less constructive advice and so has Plotinus, and thirdly I have "threatened" to get back to the mod...
Edit: I just checked the sig. He has some explaining to do, and I have the appropriate methods to my disposition.
But in all honesty, I think I was the first self-confessed PC'er, having proudly worn my title for at least a year.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Sorry, but I disagree. i see few merit with The Third Reich, even when you exclude the atrocities.
And just compare Germany at the time Hitler came to power and Germany at the end of ww2. When do you think that Germany was most torn apart and crippled really?

I am an alternative-history fan so i don't think much about the real outcomes. And ... well ... as you read, it is one of those things that i am obsessed about and, i would feel like smth is missing if i don't add this.

Furthermore it is your mod and I am not going to tell you what to do, that is entirely up to you. I just offered a few suggestions. I might come up with some more. Take it or leave it.

Noooo ... i didn't mean that. Any and all suggestions are welcome - if you have some more, please go ahead.

Well, that is interesting for sure. My critique was only directed at what I see as a misrepresentation of a great civilization. It is a bit like the Spanish in the Civ3 series, having a thug as a UU while a much better choice would have been the infantry unit that revolutionized European warfare.

I don't know much about the history of Spain - what infantry unit are you reffering to ?

Well my commiserations to you Plot, and to our dear thread starter, who now know what great girlymen us three are but very little more about this mod's development!

 

[Richard Cribb]

I am an alternative-history fan so i don't think much about the real outcomes. And ... well ... as you read, it is one of those things that i am obsessed about and, i would feel like smth is missing if i don't add this.

Well, then by all means go along, prietenule!

Noooo ... i didn't mean that. Any and all suggestions are welcome - if you have some more, please go ahead.

Good. I will look a bit closer at it and get back to it later. And like I said, I sure looks interesting.

I don't know much about the history of Spain - what infantry unit are you reffering to ?

The tercio.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Well, then by all means go along, prietenule!

The tercio.

I am actualy considering giving every civ 2 UU's - but i didn't get to the unit searching part.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

A few more questions:

1.
Does anyone know if an egyptean statue was ever made ? (like the ones in Age of Mythology). If yes then what is it named i searched for STATUE and IDOL and didn't found any, but i recall seeing one somewhere.

I need one for the cult of Isis. But anyway how did a Temple of Isis (roman times) look like (couldn't find pics on google). If none of these 2 are made i will use an obelisk.

2.
(This one is mostly for Plotinus - but if anyone else knows, go ahead.)
Which of these ... "groups" did NOT have churches/temples :

Bogomilism
Catharism
Fraticelli
Nestorianism
Arianism
Manichaeism
Rosicrucian

I think the next ones can attend any protestant church but do not have churches specificaly theirs - but i could be wrong kuz i don't know very much about them.
Quakers - i know they have meeting halls - but churches ?
Salvation_Army - same here
Pentecostalism

That's all for now .

 

[Plotinus]

Oh, lots of questions... I don't know the answers to lots of these, so you'll have to look them up yourself. Not on Wikipedia, though!

Quakers have meeting halls that basically work like churches. I think the Salvation Army does too, but I don't know off-hand. Pentecostalists certainly have churches, whether they belong to the Pentecostal denominations or the mainstream ones.

The Arians had churches - remember, they were not a distinct sect, just a theological viewpoint within the church. The same is true of Nestorianism, and the churches which became basically Nestorian also have churches, because to all intents and purposes they are the same as the Orthodox.

Rosicrucianism was an invented secret society, so I suppose they met at some kind of secret locations. Not really a religious movement.

I don't know off-hand about the Cathars, Manichees, and Bogomils. I don't think a great deal is known about the Bogomils anyway! The Fraticelli were a group within the Franciscan order, so they would have met in churches just as normal Franciscans did.

As a general rule, all religious groups meet in some kind of special locations, whether they are called churches, meeting houses, or whatever. That's certainly true of Christianity, which generally has not done so only when state persecution has made it impossible - such as in China in the late 1960s.

 

[Mirc]

Oh, you have now time to make it!!!
I told you a CFC thread would be nice.