Hermetic lore for FFH DI4 (not for use outside this game)

[ryansee]

ok sorry diamond let me try again.
at the momment every thing about me as a god will be determined by veridan response to my quest. if he responds well to my quest . il start working with the dwraf worker or rose and start building a religion from them. aswell im going to do a full out power against corrupted death magic. if he ignores me . il perform a deadly curse against him. and i will allow dark gods to use necromacy and still work with my followers. and i though stevnason was protected by camulos . thats wht kept me away from just cursing and i was planing a way to reach him. i was asking if those 2 paths were ok with u guyz.

 

[Diamondeye]

Hmmm. Completely banning Necromancy would flatten the Sheaim military completely. I am not a fan of this. But you could forbid other nations its use.

Also, please consider the maxim that "more is less". There is no need for you to be cruel or severe in your penalties. It is more important to aim them at the right places.

You'll have to ask Camulos whether Stevanson is a fair target but as I said, try not to be too destructive when a subtle intervention will do.

 

[ryansee]

i will ban super death magic only.and stevenson part i just though i couldnt touch him due to camulos.

 

[Diamondeye]

You can touch him, I believe. But killing a unit like him needs a good justification (hell, even just cursing him does).

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Okay so this is just a potential Narrative that could be added to the main thread. It shows the meeting between Camulos and Arawn and should help flesh out the new Arawn while showing multiple effect from the main story.

Ryansee this should show my thoughts on Stevenson to yourself and to the other Gods. I tried to make Arawn act like i believed you would want him to act. However if you wish to edit this in any way just say so. It's your god being portrayed.

Also as Diamond eye has said. Less is more. Cursing is good. Sudden death, not so good. If you wanted to do a curse that looked big but was small you could turn Stevenson into a skeleton. Or Curse him to allways be followed by the people that he has killed. That kind of stuff seems small but builds up quickly untill the cursed mortal will want to die because living is too vile.

Anyway have fun with Stevenson. Poor Mortal lad.

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[n] CAMULOS - God of War [n]

Dul’kak mouth was open his eyes wide but no-one could hear his screams as he passed the silent gates in the realm of Arawn. The blood thirsty and vile dwarf had worked tirelessly to turn the Old Town of Ered into a putrid cesspool only to be brutaly killed. A fitting end, and at least he had served his purpose. Camulos pondered on whether to smile and wave as the tortured soul passed him by. It would be cruel and petty, sorely rubbing in how low down the spiritual food chain the dwarf was, It would also make Camulos look childish.

He smiled and waved anyway. Who was going to stop him acting the way he liked?

“Camulos!”

The shouting of his fellow God reminded Camulos he wasn’t here for pleasantries. All the Gods had felt the sudden shift. The sudden emergence of the silent God of Death into the realms of mortals. Once tenderly without much fanfare. Then again with angry purpose.

“What has happened to my followers? My Guardians tell of a new Grigori nation and a human male called Stevenson. This stinks of your doing Camulos!”

Was that a twitch of the eye? A high pitched whine over dead men? This was the most amusing debacle since the fall of Bhaal. The unemotional God of Death falling to pieces from emotions he had never felt before.

“Now Arawn, must i allways get the blame for the strife of Mortals? War ends up being the natural discourse of the realm. I barely have to do any work these days for-”

The Air chilled and the realm darkened as the God of Death moved past the emotion of shock and anger into full blown cold-blooded rage. This was not the time for fancy word play or to battle with dialogue.

“Many of your followers survived Arawn, the only true deaths were those of the skeleton guardians. The rest have split ways. Some have ended up peacefully in the lands of Gerran an off-shoot of the Grigori... Some have raised arms up against the Grigori, led by a follower of Aeron. Few left by boat. Some ending up in far away lands. Many were given sanctuary in the Barbarian Cities in the desert, I personally helped make sure the people there looked upon your followers kindly”

Camulos couldn’t help wonder if any of the other gods would have found the sprectrum of new emotions coming from Arawn amusing. Or whether it was just his twisted mind laughing at the grief. Shifting from shock and denial, to anger and rage, to- wait wasn’t this like one of those mortal paths of grief over death? The God of Death grieving for the dead!

As Arawn seemed to get himself under control Camulos held in a chuckle before the dead eyes pierced him.

“This Stevenson brute. He is not yours? Not your champion?”

Looks like he’d been found out. It was a shame that Stevenson had never called directly on him. Nice lad, shame he had to be sacrificed as a pawn like all mortals do at times.

“A Champion? Surely not, what has he ever done for the ways of war-”

“He butchered my people!”

“I heard he only killed the undead Skeletons, not much of a loss.”

Arawn went quiet suddenly, perhaps reason had finally struck through the emotional wounds. Camulos was having to act quickly here. He didn’t want or need a new front opening in his battles and machinations. Not when so many plans were finally coming to fruition. He felt the Angel of Arawn approuching. Never could remember the name, why would you need to when all the angel did was stand there and watch dead people.

“My Master grieves for the guardians.”

“Why? They are just undead minions.”

“No. In necromancy they would be mindless abominations. But raised in the true death magic of Arawn they were the ancestors of the followers. Bound in chains of their own bones willingly to become guardians to the future generations. They could think, feel and act of their own will.”

“Okay... but still undead skeletons.”

“Not in our eyes.”

Well what could you say to that. Arawn was returning and about to speak when suddenly both the Gods stiffened as the proclamation of Mammon washed over them. Speaking of butchery and savergry and so on and so on. Mammon really did have a way with words. Eventually both Gods came out of the trance rubbing their heads.

“Mammon is annoyed... because of a followers death?” Arawns voice was depressed. “A single follower of many and one that he knew could be killed in his actions. Yet i loose many followers while i have few and the other Gods do not care and snatch them up for their own plots.”

“Mammon is an easy God to understand when you know what he wants.”

“And that is?”

“Everything. He is a childish God crying out for control in fear he has none.”

Arawn contemplated that for a moment. “Perhaps you are right. Perhaps not. Either way i must show the world my displeasure. I must have Stevenson, I must show the Gods my followers are not theirs to do as they please.”

“Stevenson is not, nor had he ever been one of my followers. He merely hates gods like yourself who he views as ‘useless’ ” That comment caused a flash of anger in the Dead God eyes. “The Followers who ended up in desert can be protected if you wish. However i would ask a boon in return... Give more freedom to the spirits in the mortal realm. Many act as guides to the mortals and a view into your realm would perhaps give them more pause in their actions.”

“I shall think on it. First i must make plans for Stevenson and see what the response of the Grigori shall be... Leave me now.”

So Camulos left, and as he did he couldn’t stop a smile breaking out on his face. He had hopefully gained the spirits access to the world in exchange for something he was planing to do anyway. The Followers of Arawn were allready finding new purpose in the lands of the savage barbarians. As for Stevenson... Camulos wondered if Arawn even suspected that by cursing Stevenson he would be pushing him even more in the direction that was best for War Mongering. Two Curses for one mortal, from two different Gods. Perhaps another so called neutral god needed to be duped into cursing him next...

It Didn’t matter really. Camulos had all the time in the world.

 

[Lgaard]

[...]the spiritual food chain[...]

 

[apenpaap]

If you wanted to do a curse that looked big but was small you could turn Stevenson into a skeleton.

This sounds like a great idea for a curse. Imagine your flesh suddenly falling off your bones .

 

[ryansee]

hmm i like it . you seem to be in control of arawn abit. arawn at that time hes heart was in chaos aka in your domain so it would have been easy to take control of arawn. but im planing on making return under control once verdian decided.

 

[ryansee]

redeming stevenson wont get out of my head

 

[thomas.berubeg]

so, he did researach writing. is a Great sage too much as a reward? (however, im still going to jack his research rate high up)

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Thanks Lggard, i had fun writing that bit. I think i'm getting the hang of how i want to show Camulos.

hmm i like it . you seem to be in control of arawn abit. arawn at that time hes heart was in chaos aka in your domain so it would have been easy to take control of arawn. but im planing on making return under control once verdian decided.

I tried to show Arawn in an emotional uncontrolled state to begin with. Then as it went onwards i tried to show him more and more in control. As you said he was in choas so Camulos knew all the buttons to push. I figured you would want to throw your spiritual weight around for a bit untill Arawn gets a plan for the future underway.

I'm glad you liked it. I'll post it in the main forum then as a narrative only intervention. If you think of anything to change in Arawn's lines just say so and i'll edit the post.

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(Sigh) i think it was a good idea to change to the two weeks thing. I edited all my stuff last night and then the internet crashed before i could Post it all. So now i'm an edit behind Bootsiev and the new Lugus. Oh well.

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EDIT: Thomas. Well not so much researchED as researchING. So during this intervention you could say Gerran is still in the middle of wandering around teaching the children to read. I wouldn't say Great Sage is too much of a reward.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

To be a complete and utter bastard...

Well, it's a secret for now.

Edit: I still need to write story-pieces, besides what I already did for the first assassination. But here's the list of changes for this round: I note that the most influential player-related ones were already promised last round, which was also rather light.

As always, I need to find others to do this work for me...


*Resolve the Assassin quest. (Last Game)
-Promote Comillo to Assassin, at no cost to the player. Remove Held.
-Boost relations with Hippus by, say, 6. House Solidor fell, and the Hippus noble is ascendant.
-Because other gods intervened in the assassination, the marriage itself occurred, though ended too fast for a major popular shift in opinion. Bannor and Hippus get Open Borders and Defensive Pact, as per the wedding treaty, but nothing more.

*Bring True Grigori in. (Main focus this game)
-Set up islands, as described earlier, for new Grigori civ.
-Give Grigori two Adventurers, to match the ones they'd have from being in the game from start. One Hunter down South of Grigori to meet them/explore the continent, and one Archer as a city defender for home.
-Ocean-trading technology, normal level techs. Make unable to trade techs.
-Great initial relations with Gerranites, say +25, a -5 malus for seeking out hte gods help.

*Change Gerran-Grigori to Gerranites.
-Since True Grigori are here, change players Diplo-desciptions to Gerranites and so on, not Grigori.



*Personal: Write story pieces about works, not only of my own but for certain other peoples.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

redeming stevenson wont get out of my head

Redeeming in what way? If you mean making him respect Arawn i'm not sure how you could do it except by proving yourself a useful God in his eyes.

Oh yeah what did you think about the trade off. Camulos protects the Followers of Arawn that made there way to the desert and in return the Spirits of the World become able to talk. Not that big of a trade. It merely helps my stories.

 

[ryansee]

explain more.

 

[Lgaard]

@Thomas: Gerran was not even able to locate your Citadel yet, after it was moved west. Please reconsider your curse and maybe give him more time(?).

 

[Dean_the_Young]

Oh, no. Keep it! Keep it! Damn him if he spends one gold less on research!

 

[Ravus_Sol]

@Ryansee: I am not sure how much more i can explain. Some of the followers of Arawn fled in a boat from the tower and ended up in the barbarian lands. Camulos offers to protect these Followers and never let harm come to them. In return you would allow the spirits of the world to talk. This would allow the spirit that follows Finnigen to finally speak. I would also add in minor events like perhaps now the dead linger for a moment before leaving for the black lands of Arawn.
Then i would end with the big reveal that the shining light on top of mount equilibrium is actually a trapped spirit of a fallen dragon.

Those would be the only chages i personally would make. It would however open up the posibility of others using the spirits new abilities in their narratives.

What was the stuff you wanted explained?

PS whenever you post comments on the other forum out of character (that is, not talking as the God Arawn) use [ SPOILER ] [ / SPOILER] tags. If you click the go advanced button while posting their will be a button for you to use. We are just trying to keep from cluttering up the other forum.
I'm sure Verdian is pondering on what he wants Gerran to say. He'll probably write up a big reaction, remember we now have 2 weeks between interventions.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Nope, it's staying. I'm holding him ransom until he does as I want.

 

[ryansee]

hmmm w8 till next chapter. i want to see verdians response 1st

 

[Ravus_Sol]

hmmm w8 till next chapter. i want to see verdians response 1st

Thats fine, of course untill you ok the bargain i can't promise your followers won't be dragged of to the slave yards to earn their keep

I still need to get a response of Kilimorph as to whether she has plans for the spirit of Finnigen and whether she would be against making it Charadon.