"Hi, my name is Ahmed and I want to be a suicide bomber"

[Trajan12]

Need exsamples? Ok Gengis Khan was a Buddhist and your saying that he never harmed a soul. What about Stalin he was born and rasied Christian and your saying that he didn't harm a fly eather?

Never said Buddhists and Christians never harmed anyone.

So do you honsestly think that all Islamic people are bomb weilding terriosts who want to blow up the entire Earth and get rid of western culture?

Show me where I said that clearly made up statement.

Please I know some musilim people who are very nice and resonabal people

I dont doubt that.

Please don't base an enitre group of people on a couple of insane nutcases and if you look a wee bit harder you will find many moderates who are not bad people you are making them out to be.

Never said all muslims are the same either.

This has become a "lets see who can make up the most ridiculous statements that were never said" fest.

 

[C~G]

KLA is pretty much self-proclaimed nationalist militant unit (extremist nuts from either far side of politcal spectrum). It might use the methods of terrorists as most of such organizations would under certain circumstances example similar to those in the Balkan wars.

I'm sorry but calling it terrorist organization just because it's mostly muslim based is true bigotry. Serbian side had their terrorist organizations as well, that didn't have anything to do with Islam. Therefore the simple conclusion is that terrorism doesn't have to do with Islam and neither all muslims resort to terrorist actions.

 

[REDY]

Trajan12: OK so Koran is violent? But were terrorists so active during all muslim history as now? Why the hell during crusades may live Christians and jews in Muslim society more in peace than muslims and jews in European countries when most of muslim leaders were islam fanatics?

 

[Mott1]

KLA is pretty much self-proclaimed nationalist militant unit (extremist nuts from either far side of politcal spectrum). It might use the methods of terrorists as most of such organizations would under certain circumstances example similar to those in the Balkan wars.

So you are in accordance that the KLA is a terrorist organization, good.
you did not address their self-professed goal, do you agree with it?

I'm sorry but calling it terrorist organization just because it's mostly muslim based is true bigotry.

Never made that claim.

Serbian side had their terrorist organizations as well, that didn't have anything to do with Islam.

I will not disagree, however can you name a few of these organizations so I may research them?

Therefore the simple conclusion is that terrorism doesn't have to do with Islam and neither all muslims resort to terrorist actions.

Never made that claim. The claim I do make is that the Islamic ideology promotes partisan ethics, intolerance and vilonce which can and does result in acts of terrorism.

 

[Ramius75]

So Ahmed is a nutter thus all religion is the problem.

Nice leap there.

Oh...and I dont agree.

well, to be fair, even atheist have suicide bombers, like the kamikaze of VCs and communist chinese or the soviets.

But its ideas like this that motivate them,to keep themselves and others with them.

In the case of ahmed, his reason is far from rational to us, nonbeliver, but may strike a chord among the Muslim who believe in the teaching.

maybe all human are irrational.

 

[C~G]

So you are in accordance that the KLA is a terrorist organization, good.

That is debatable whether it's terrorist organization or not.

you did not address their self-professed goal, do you agree with it?

Agree with it?
It's normal ultra-nationalist stuff, Israel for the Jews etc.

Never made that claim.

Good.

I will not disagree, however can you name a few of these organizations so I may research them?

It's been some time since I was more aware of the issues of Balkan war so you have to do this on your own. I cannot simply remember right now.
However I might point out that it's quite normal that militant organization is considered to be terrorist organization while the same methods used by the regulars or by the militants and mercenaries working with regulated army never get such stigma.
That's why I personally consider some organizations never to be called terrorist organizations since it made in political fashion to totally vilify it and refute the possible legatimity of the existence of such organization.

Never made that claim. The claim I do make is that the Islamic ideology promotes partisan ethics, intolerance and vilonce which can and does result in acts of terrorism.

In certain conditions it does.
Unfortunately in the case of Jugoslavia other things caused such events as well so we have to dig deeper than that.
For me it's always the human nature itself which will find it's justification and excuse from any possible source it can gather to do it's deeds.

 

[deo]

No, years of systematic attacks on the Serbian police (i.e. ambushes, assasinations and sabotages) resulted in the Serbian brutal crack-down.
I am in no way condoning the Serbian draconian methods, however the KLA is also responsible for that horrific war.

Sure KLA is responsible for the war, it wasn't called for no reason the war for freedom but responding is such a brutal way?

I personally don't like the KLA, I'd rather support the Ideas of our ex-president Rugova...

The KLA are armed with more than just AK-47's deo. Are you aware of the goals of the KLA? Their aim is to unite the populations of Kosovo, Macedonia and Albania and establish a greater Albania under Islamic governance. It is well known that foreign Islamic militants support and are included in the ranks of the KLA.

What a load of BS, what is this? What do you know about Kosovo anyway? Not much I might say because the KLA dosnt exist anymore bur yes, there are a lot people that want to unite those lands...

 

[deo]

Just to add a Note, the KLA before the war mainly attacked Serbian security forces while terrorism, that's killing civilians that have nothing to do with the goals of an organisation...

EDIT: UNMIK has declared them to be Martyrs anyway...

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

There they are. Some of them.

Good sir, you have made the very mistake that so many terrorists have: you have taken specific passages out of the Koran, and interpreted them to say what you want them to. You have to look at the Koran as a whole, not single out passages as you - and they - have done.

 

[Mott1]

What a load of BS, what is this? What do you know about Kosovo anyway? Not much I might say because the KLA dosnt exist anymore bur yes, there are a lot people that want to unite those lands...

You stated that the KLA were armed with only AK-47's during the conflict which is not true. You stated their only goal was to fight for indepedence or reasons of ethnicity which is not true. Former KLA members have established other organizations with the same goals of regional unification under Islamic governance. If what I say is BS, then demonstrate where I am wrong.

Just to add a Note, the KLA before the war mainly attacked Serbian security forces while terrorism, that's killing civilians that have nothing to do with the goals of an organisation...

That does not exonerate tham as a terrorist organization.

EDIT: UNMIK has declared them to be Martyrs anyway

So now that they are "officially" martyrs, they are no longer considered terrorists?

 

[deo]

You stated that the KLA were armed with only AK-47's during the conflict which is not true. You stated their only goal was to fight for indepedence or reasons of ethnicity which is not true. Former KLA members have established other organizations with the same goals of regional unification under Islamic governance. If what I say is BS, then demonstrate where I am wrong.

Well, I guess you didn't understand me with the AK-47, I just wanted to point out they fought with the most basic arms, of course they had also machine guns, they even had snipers but very few. I said their goal was freedom, now if it was for independence or merging with Albania, thats another story. But you still don't understand, this has nothing to do with religion. There are a lot of organizations that want the unification of those lands, true but not under Islamic governance but Albanian governance, those are 2 different things.

That does not exonerate tham as a terrorist organization.

So now that they are "officially" martyrs, they are no longer considered terrorists?

Well I don't care, if attacking the military is terrorism, ok than but they didn't attack civilians, and thats what differs from the other terrorists...

And why aren't the Serbian soldiers terrorists? Because they were an Army?

 

[HannibalBarka]

Because we don't belive in a religion that commands people to force conversions, kill jews, force non believers to pay taxes, decieve our enemies into a false sense of security, ect.

Trajan12, you are schzophrenic or what !!!!

You are following a religion that considers you to be a fornicater because you are living with your girlfriend !!!

.... As a non-combat veteran, from a subjective point of view, I would have to strongly disagree with your idea of military indoctrination - we're trained by the army, not brainwashed.
....

Sorry Sh3kel, one need to be brainwashed to use civilian as human shields as Tsahal did, one needs to be brainwashed to throw loads of bombs knowing that the vast majority of them won't explode for years and remain a threat to civilians and kids for decades like Tsahal did in Lebanon

... The claim I do make is that the Islamic ideology promotes partisan ethics, intolerance and vilonce which can and does result in acts of terrorism.

Yeah well, so. The French Revolution was based on the words of Voltaire and Montesquieu, it was bloody, the word terror took its origin there actually.
Islamic ideology promotes what ever you want it to promote, It was behind the Mujahidin resistance against the Red Army and at the same time was used by the Wacko Taliban. So your claim is false adn not complete

 

[thetrooper]

Pssst! HB: there is the edit button and even the new feature multi-quote.

 

[stuge]

Good sir, you have made the very mistake that so many terrorists have: you have taken specific passages out of the Koran, and interpreted them to say what you want them to. You have to look at the Koran as a whole, not single out passages as you - and they - have done.

and ten char.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Pssst! HB: there is the edit button and even the new feature multi-quote.

Psst! thetrooper: I know, but I don't like replying to different posters at once
Thanks nevertheless

 

[nihilistic]

Need exsamples? Ok Gengis Khan was a Buddhist and ...

Genghis Khan, and the Mongolian Empire in general, are not Buddhists.

 

[Sh3kel]

Sorry Sh3kel, one need to be brainwashed to use civilian as human shields as Tsahal did, one needs to be brainwashed to throw loads of bombs knowing that the vast majority of them won't explode for years and remain a threat to civilians and kids for decades like Tsahal did in Lebanon.

Please tell me that I misunderstand your post, and that you did not just compare dropping tons of ordnance on a hostile country during wartime with the remote possibility of several specimens of said bombs not detonating on impact due to manufacture error to willingly using human shields and comitting suicide attacks.

If you honestly cannot see the distinction between dropping a bomb on a military target and having it not go off between actively telling your civilian population to shield terrorists with their own lives, I fear we have little else to discuss.

 

[Winner]

In your very second paragraph you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a "terrorist supporter."

In the first paragraph of this post you make a wrong assumption when you think that I mean this term for all people who disagree with me.

Right there I lost all interest in maintaining any sort of dialog with you, or even bothering to read any more of your post.

Oh, thanks, really, I have no need to discuss anything with people who like to jump to conclusions

 

[Winner]

Ummm... Winner I am not sure if you know but every religion has their nutcases willing to blow up themselves up also if you say that Islam is a violnet religion you are also calling Christianty one too secnce they are both under the Abrahamic religions.

You're totally free to find and show me an interview with Christian suicide bomber claiming that Jesus commands him to kill unbelievers so he could have an eternal sex with a lot of blonde women.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

That was a scary read. Nearly as bad as reading about Americans wanting to be sent to Iraq.