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History Article: Macedonia and Tzar samuil.

Discussion in 'World History' started by christos200, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. daft

    daft The fargone

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    Eighth century? I suggest you do some more research in this matter and stop throwing in some of your anti Serbian comments. Serbia at least was a Real Country in the past, unlike Bosnia. Next thing you are going to claim is that Kosovo also is and was an independent country, bwahahahhaa
     
  2. gay_Aleks

    gay_Aleks communism will win.

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    And I fell down a burning riiing of fiiiireee
     
  3. Miroslav I

    Miroslav I Warlord

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    Which "some cities of the empire"? And which "empire"?
    You think Roman empire?
    Who lived there before they come with intentions to conquer that land for themselves?
    History is not something that starts with Romans. We were there much before Romans.
    And we still have "Knjige starostavne" where all is written.
     
  4. Miroslav I

    Miroslav I Warlord

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    Cmon, at least try to give any answer about that who Greeks really are and from where they really come from (and why they had only one name for one person, ok thats cruel I admit) and of course who lived there before they come?
     
  5. gay_Aleks

    gay_Aleks communism will win.

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    Um...Did he just say that the Slavs were much before the Romans? I ask because I haven't slept in a while and I might be slowly going bat**** insane.

    (Can I have a bat?)
     
  6. Future PM

    Future PM Chieftain

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    Yes, that is what Miroslav I said. "We were there much before Romans." That is, obviously, utter crap.
     
  7. gay_Aleks

    gay_Aleks communism will win.

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    This is why we can't have nice things.
     
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    Miroslav I Warlord

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    So can you tell us who were already lived here before Romans?
     
  9. Future PM

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    When you make a claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence to support the claim, not on me to disprove your claims. But since you asked, the common thesis is that the Slavs migrated into the region in the 6th and 7th centuries, and that the original inhabitants of Ancient Macedonia were Thracians, Illyrians, Bryges, and Paionians. They were later displaced by Dorian invaders, who formed the state of Macedon. This is hardly new information.

    Source.

    We also know for a fact that the Slavs were a new migratory group that only entered the region of Macedonia in the 6th century because they ran into the Byzantines, who recorded their arrival. So they certainly weren't there before the Romans.

    Source.
     
  10. gay_Aleks

    gay_Aleks communism will win.

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    Illyrians, for the most part.
     
  11. Future PM

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    Stupid internet. Apologies for the double post.
     
  12. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Before Illyrians and Thracians, the original inhabitants of Macedonia were rebel Shoggoths, from Antarctica.
    Which is why the future tribes were termed Goths. "Sho(g)" is ancient slav term for "pre". It was all passed down as legacy of the south slavic migratory groups, but their migration happened in prehistoric times.
     
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    I checked links and they both support theory of "The great migrations of The Slavs" and also use bunch of Latin and Greek names for Slavic tribes in their maps.
     
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    gay_Aleks communism will win.

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    Yes, well, the Slavs weren't smart enough to invent their own alphabet in 7th century.

    For some reason.
     
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    They weren't smart enough to invent it in the 9th either, but surely they were already quite aware of the benefits of a more centralized rule and statehood in general.
     
  16. gay_Aleks

    gay_Aleks communism will win.

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    That, I cannot deny. Unfortunately for some people that concept is difficult to grasp, and any attempt to make them believe otherwise results in violent reactions.
     
  17. Aleksey_aka_al

    Aleksey_aka_al Smiley

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    Here a lot of interesting info about Slavs in Greece, posted by a Greek user:

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...vs-in-Greece&p=2758998&viewfull=1#post2758998

    For example:

     
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    Sixth and seventh centuries, exactly, not in eighth, like the anti Slavic Bosniak wrote in his post. Being from Bosnia he obviously is an Anglo Saxon, lol!
     
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    Everyone knows that? Who do you mean by everyone? You and the Bosnian Nationalist Party perhaps? I swear to you not too many others(outside former Yugoslavia)
    I researched this and it turns out this king proclaimed himself king of Bosnia and Serbia, so once again, those who say Serbia and Bosnia are one and the same have a point.
    On the other hand, I don't know why I bother.
     
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    So you, and all the other Greeks think of yourselves so highly!. Let's see...
    ...Your predecessors called every nation which didn't speak Greek "Barbarians". When Alexander arrived to compete in the games at Olympia he had to prove his Hellenistic heritage, which he did, claiming his ancestors came from Argos, despite that, the other competitors still called him a "Barbarian".

    His father, Philip, brought over Greek families to Macedonia to enhance it's image as a Greek state. In order to achieve his planned conquest of the Persian Empire he had to have good relations and some help with/from the southern Greek states, the only way to achieve that was to seem as Greek as possible. Why? Because of your lack of tolerance towards other tribes.

    Your Macedonia was a mixture of Greek, Paeonian, Illyrian and Thracian Peoples, not at all a native, ancient and full blooded Greek state at all.

    Your Great Nation, before this mixture of Greeks, Illyrians and Thracians from Macedonia unified it and consolidated it into a real country, was nothing but a bunch of city states, almost constantly at vicious war with one another.

    So your predecessors invented Democracy you claim?

    Yes, they did, what you forget to add is that it was a totally Sexist Democracy!. In ancient Greece women could not leave their homes without their husbands approval, could not even glance at their husband's male guests, never mind having the right to vote!.
    You know what I call that type of Democracy? A Taliban Democracy!!


    Ps. Greece will still be my favorite civ to play as in the game, the country is stunningly beautiful and a must see for everyone who loves ancient history, warmth and good wine.
     

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