Hitler & Mussolini

[bernie14]

@smeagolheart.....i thought the lighting might be off....i cant test in game.....


@Ekmek.....i like all the bg, exept the top/first and second bottom....i very much like top 3&4, looks like the sun is actually creating the right sort of shadow inside the chancellry courtyard

at team......i think i am also prone to skitler.....while we ar at it.....anyone for midler?

 

[el_hidalgo]

Although both look great, I prefer Skitler too. Out of the BGs, I echo Capo's kid-in-a-candy-store comment. I incline a little towards 7. It's almost completely dark days for Germany, but there is still some light... in historical context it's ambiguous: is the light struggling to break through the almost overwhelming darkness, or is the darkness about to extinguish what little light is left and become total? But you really can't go wrong with any of them.

 

[The Capo]

@smeagolheart.....i thought the lighting might be off....i cant test in game.....


@Ekmek.....i like all the bg, exept the top/first and second bottom....i very much like top 3&4, looks like the sun is actually creating the right sort of shadow inside the chancellry courtyard

at team......i think i am also prone to skitler.....while we ar at it.....anyone for midler?

Don't worry about testing the lighting in-game Bernie, I already did. And I really think Skitler is the way to go, so we should just stay with him (sorry HC, but we do get the artistic liscence here). And now that I think about it Bernie is completely right about the lighting. I'd either say to do two (in case people want a more ominous background) or just go one with either three or four because the lighting is actually perfect for the shadowing in the Chancellry courtyard. The swastika banner, may I say again, is like the bow on the leaderhead, it makes the background part of the LH in a very big way.

NO MIDLER! I think we are finished with altering him. With the new texture, the new suit, the new textured hair this Hitler looks AMAZING compared to the one we had mere days ago.

EDIT: now that I think about it, the "sunnier" (three and four) images are a lot better since the lighting in the Chancellry denotes day-time and also because since this is a Civ leaderhead it should be an "idealized" version of that leader, and I think with the golden trim on the clouds it makes for an almost propoganda-style image of Hitler. Which is bad I guess, but good for our purposes.

EDIT 2: Should I just use the furious kfm or try to use another LHs negative? Will the animations flow properly if I used a different one?

 

[smeagolheart]

I like BG #3 or 4 (counting clockwise from top left), the amber skies look great

 

[Ekmek]

I did #3
attached is the rar it includes the renamed BG.kfm and an updated bg.nif (got rid of extra sky stuff etc). bytheway since its a static BG we don't need any BG kf files




EDIT: I swapped the negative with augustus's negative. it kind of works his eyebrows look a little odd. you can try it out yourself - but personally I'd just go with the furious.

just say no to midler. Bernie you did a great job on this and skitler is the way to go. What program do you use? - i'm envious!

 

[smeagolheart]

The sky doesn't look right since only a portion of the sky is visible. It sorta doesn't look like sky...

Maybe #2 would look better -or maybe this one would be better if move the DDS down so can see clouds.

What you guys think?

 

[Ekmek]

you might have to change the scale of the bg in the nif. it looks like a different angle than capo's

 

[smeagolheart]

I think same as capo's see post 206

edit: also 215

 

[bernie14]

just say no to midler. Bernie you did a great job on this and skitler is the way to go. What program do you use? - i'm envious!

ok, ok, no midler .....i use paint shop pro, now corel psp x....been using psp since about v4 or 5..... got used to it, but i think gimp gives u the same sort lof tools...

 

[The Capo]

Let's not make any hasty decisions just yet, that shot you gave is the select screen and it is not the same as the regular diplomacy screen. I am going to take a look at it.

 

[The Capo]

Personally I think its fine. I get what your point is though, the sky looks a little grey but I don't really think anyone would think its anything other than sky, and as Bernie said it fits with the shadowing on the Chancellry building anyway. Using one of the other skies wouldn't make sense and the plain blue sky looked a little, well plain. I don't know if I am right but I am pretty sure we're.... finished?

EDIT: actually we still need to fix the negative thing. So should I just copy the furious and make it the negative?

EDIT: Oh yeah, I wouldn't mess with the angle or size of the background, I toyed around with it for a while and this is basically the perfect angle. It puts the swastika banner in a great spot (particularly when he does that gaze to the left, it looks great) so I'd leave it as is. The model is a little off-center (slightly to the right), but this is intentional for his greeting salute.

 

[bernie14]

i did a little work on ekmeks sky, so that the cloudy/blue part may be slightly more visible....just a possible alternative....

 

[The Capo]

I'll plug in the new bg, looks like it might look a bit better from the angle I have the camera on. I also screwed around with some alternative negative responses, I used Tokugawas, it kinda fit Hitler actually except the animations didn't work well on the model we have. I put in some screens where you can see it, they aren't in order though. I also noticed when he is angry with you (I was at war with him and then made peace and it said he was annoyed) he does this thing where he raises up his hand and you can see the bottom of the model for a few seconds, I put a small green arrow in that pic.

 

[smeagolheart]

It looks like you'll either have to enlarge the model of skitler or move the camera slightly up

 

[Ekmek]

just use the furious - i dont think anyone will notice.

 

[The Capo]

It looks like you'll either have to enlarge the model of skitler or move the camera slightly up

Yeah agreed, although I'd be moving the camera forward rather than making the model larger. That's a slight concern though because its easy to figure out and I'd like to get a good negative response done first too. As a little backstory; I am playing a duel against him as Ben-Gurion of Israel (in my mod), and the way I made his (Hitler's) personality he is pretty much a warmonger, so we're constantly at war so far. I can't conquer him though because, obviously, I am playing this to see his animations. Anyway I am giong to try a new negative, Peter's, and see how that looks. Hopefully this works out.

 

[The Capo]

just use the furious - i dont think anyone will notice.

I'm just going to try out Peter's, if that doesn't work I'll go with furious. Have you tried EVERY one of his animations yet, just to make sure there are no qualms about this LH after it gets released?

Does his affirmitive look okay? I haven't got a affirmitive reaction yet either because I am Israel (just kidding) or because we haven't had the best relationship so far.

 

[Ekmek]

Does his affirmitive look okay? I haven't got a affirmitive reaction yet either because I am Israel (just kidding) or because we haven't had the best relationship so far.

i did most - what i do to test is go to the civilopedia and then rename each animation o the greeting one (deleting the greeting as i go along) and then reclick the view (from one leader head back to hitler) to view each animation. I didn't do the pleased cautios or friendly ones - affirmative looks fine

 

[The Capo]

Would you mind checking pleased, cautious and friendly because my dog is sick and I have to go pick him up from the vet now, then I have some errands to run. I checked out the peter negative, and it looks GREAT. These screens may not do it much justice but he first gives you that shocked look, then arrogantly shrugs you off and returns to his normal "jolly" self. Here are some screens.

I think this is good or as good as we are going to get at least, so we should make sure the others work well and then I'll fix the camera so you don't see the bottom of the model on that one animation and I think we're good to go. BTW, your method of checking the animations is probably a lot more efficient than my method of playing against the LH, I don't know why that idea never occured to me.

 

[smeagolheart]

Looking forward to the release, as you say capo, just a couple things left. He really looks great! The Peter anims look great too from the screen caps.