Homeless given luxury condos in Brooklyn

LucyDuke

staring at the clock
Joined
Jan 21, 2007
Messages
13,583
Location
where mise
Granite countertops. Terraces. Marble bathrooms. Walk-in closets.

The homeless are livin' large in Brooklyn.

The city is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to rent luxury condos in a Crown Heights building for homeless families, the Daily News has learned.

"It's like a hotel. It's the nicest place I've ever lived in," said Nelson Delgado, 36, who moved into a swanky two-bedroom, two-bath pad two weeks ago.

"It's beautiful," added Delgado, an out-of-work truck driver from Miami who's living with his son Jeff, 17. "The closet in the main room is so big you could put a twin bed in there."

Raymond, another resident who moved in more than a week ago with his wife and two young daughters, said he is still trying to get over his good luck.

"When I first saw it, I was like, 'Damn, everything is brand new,'" said Raymond, who wouldn't give his last name. "It has marble counters and marble floors in the bathrooms, too. I like the big kitchen. That's my favorite."

City officials said the condos - which couldn't attract buyers in the fizzled housing market - are part of an effort to help an "unprecedented" number of homeless families who have ended up on the street because of the tough economy.

Units priced at $350,000

It appears to be the first time a faltering upscale building has found a new purpose as a shelter, said Steven Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board of New York.

Neighbors were furious the 67-unit building on East New York Ave., where apartments were supposed to sell for $250,000 to $350,000, has been turned into a shelter.

"I'm a hardworking taxpayer, and I don't think homeless people should be living better than me," fumed Desmond John, 35, a window salesman who wanted to rent one of the fancy apartments. "They said it's not for rent. It's a shelter. I was shocked."

Luxury brokerage firm HQ Marketing Partners started promoting the condos last summer - with the hook that buyers could custom design the units.

When the market started to tank in the fall - and his gamble on a fringe neighborhood didn't pay off - developer Avi Shriki said he had to come up with a Plan B.

"When the market went south, we knew we had to do something different," said Shriki, 44. "With the market being the way it is you have to be creative."

This spring, Shriki signed a 10-year contract with the Bushwick Economic Development Group to turn the building into a homeless shelter.

Shriki wouldn't say how much he gets paid - but he said he jumped at the chance to get people in his building.

"At least we still own the building and we are paying our mortgage, so that's good," said Shriki. "The outcome is not as bad as some people I know who had to surrender the whole building to the bank."

City pays $90 a night

The city is paying Bushwick Economic Development Corp. $90 a night for each of the apartments, about $2,700 a month - a figure that also covers social services, housing help and job counseling designed to get families back on their feet.

The nonprofit declined to comment.

City officials defended the move, calling it a creative use of a building that otherwise could have become an empty blight.

"This is a case of innovation and outside-the-box thinking that benefits all those involved," said Department of Homeless Services spokeswoman Heather Janik.

Shelter residents said it's not their fault they landed in such swanky digs.

"People are saying we don't deserve to live here," said an 18-year-old man who gave his name only as "Boss," who moved into a two-bedroom apartment with his mom last week.

"Just because a person fell out doesn't mean they don't deserve a place to stay," he said.

I love this story on so many levels. Now let's fight about welfare and whether charity should only be private.

-Neighbors are pissed that people are being given these expensive apartments. I can almost understand their objection in terms of property values, but I bet these people would rather keep paying their own bills than jump into a bad-odds housing lottery. Desmond John is miffed he didn't get the apartment he wanted, but there must be similar digs available somewhere else if he wants 'em bad enough.

- Is this better or worse than letting the building sit empty? Would it sit empty, or sparsely populated?

- Why is Nelson Delgado of Miami living in NYC on NYC's dime?

- How does it cost $2700/mo for housing and job counseling and social services? What social services are included? Plenty of people live on a lot less than $2700/mo, even supporting families. How much more or less could that $2700/mo pay for if it were given in cash (even with a stipulation that the money would be tracked to prevent abuse)? I wonder what fraction is going towards rent.

- True/false: "Just because a person fell out doesn't mean they don't deserve a place to stay."

- Is this a good thing?

http://www.nydailynews.com/real_est...s_upscale_building_into_homeless_shelter.html
 
When do the homeless start hawking the stainless steel appliances and Joshua Trees?
 
"I'm a hardworking taxpayer, and I don't think homeless people should be living better than me," fumed Desmond John, 35, a window salesman who wanted to rent one of the fancy apartments. "They said it's not for rent. It's a shelter. I was shocked."

What a jackass! I hope somebody punches him in the face.
 
"The closet in the main room is so big you could put a twin bed in there."

This speaks volumes. But I bet most of you have never heard of 12 people living in a 750 sq ft studio apartment before...

That said, this is an incredible waste of taxpayer dollars. There are far cheaper apartments available, especially in Brooklyn.
 
Well, if nobody wants to buy the condos, then why not let the homeless move in? If people complain about them getting a better house, move them in to the condo and then move the homeless into the house left behind by the new owners.
 
- Is this better or worse than letting the building sit empty? Would it sit empty, or sparsely populated?

It's worse. The money spent on those units would go a lot further in other areas. It's also a direct subsidy to the owners by keeping the bank from taking the building.

Wonder who owns the building and what their connection is to the city government!

- Why is Nelson Delgado of Miami living in NYC on NYC's dime?

Because he's living in NYC! Do you really think homeless people are paying into the city's coffers?

- True/false: "Just because a person fell out doesn't mean they don't deserve a place to stay."

True.
 
But I bet most of you have never heard of 12 people living in a 750 sq ft studio apartment before...
A 750 foot studio? That's huge! My studio on Miami Beach was 144 square feet.

Our neighbors in Vista, California had about nine people in a two bedroom (four adults, five kids) that was probably around 750 square feet. In the future as oil prices rise & isolated suburbs become untenable we will see alot more of this. Buying & maintain a private house for a single nuclear family (let alone a single individual) will become a thing of the past except for the very rich. Co-habitation is the future.
 
Well, I'm sure the homeless are doing a great job of taking care of the place. Pooping in the corner leaves the rest of the room open to pass out in after a few Colt 45's! It works every time. :lol:

I hope the landlords don't miss the appliances that will go missing for crack money... or the copper wiring, or the ceiling fan, or... well, anything of value.
 
Well, if nobody wants to buy the condos, then why not let the homeless move in? If people complain about them getting a better house, move them in to the condo and then move the homeless into the house left behind by the new owners.

It's not free, that's why not!

Because he's living in NYC! Do you really think homeless people are paying into the city's coffers?

What I mean is why is he living in NYC instead of Miami? Did he move before or after he lost his job? Why'd he move? I know we can't be sure, I just find it curious.

Well, I'm sure the homeless are doing a great job of taking care of the place. Pooping in the corner leaves the rest of the room open to pass out in after a few Colt 45's! It works every time. :lol:

Who poops in the corner instead of their luxury bathroom?

I hope the landlords don't miss the appliances that will go missing for crack money... or the copper wiring, or the ceiling fan, or... well, anything of value.

There's the ama I'm used to.
 
Well, I'm sure the homeless are doing a great job of taking care of the place. Pooping in the corner leaves the rest of the room open to pass out in after a few Colt 45's! It works every time. :lol:

I hope the landlords don't miss the appliances that will go missing for crack money... or the copper wiring, or the ceiling fan, or... well, anything of value.

There were a lot of crows in New York. Then came the straw men.
 
I sense some jealousy here. Just because these people have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps to get into better housing than you all shouldn't mean you should be bitter.
 
Well, I'm sure the homeless are doing a great job of taking care of the place. Pooping in the corner leaves the rest of the room open to pass out in after a few Colt 45's! It works every time. :lol:

I hope the landlords don't miss the appliances that will go missing for crack money... or the copper wiring, or the ceiling fan, or... well, anything of value.

Not all homeless people are drug addicts and not all addicts are homeless. Have you ever known anyone that's homeless?
 
Back
Top Bottom