Homosexuals Get Equal Rights In New Jersey

[GenMarshall]

And a man marrying another man, or a woman marrying another woman is hardly a sexual taboo.

I consider it a sexual taboo since it is immoral in the eyes of the Church and in my eyes don't form a sexual complementary. Plain and simple, I dont approve of their lifestyle and I dont want them to have the term marriage since marriage is strictly a union between a man and a woman.

 

[Gilder]

I consider it a sexual taboo since it is immoral in the eyes of the Church and in my eyes don't form a sexual complementary. Plain and simple, I dont approve of their lifestyle and I dont want them to have the term marriage since marriage is strictly a union between a man and a woman.

I didn't realize a defining aspect of marriage was sex. Aside from having it after getting married.

 

[sysyphus]

I don't care if they are fallacies or not, I dont want to see Gays and Lesbians marrying and making the tradition of marriage meaningless as well as giving approval to a lifestyle that I don't approve of.

So, the law should revolve around you and your values?

 

[skadistic]

I consider it a sexual taboo since it is immoral in the eyes of the Church and in my eyes don't form a sexual complementary. Plain and simple, I dont approve of their lifestyle and I dont want them to have the term marriage since marriage is strictly a union between a man and a woman.

I don't aprove of your life style and don't think you should be allowed to go get married because it doesn't fit my view of what marrige is. If its good enough for you to deny equality then I should be able to dictate how you live too right?

 

[Zarn]

I don't believe Shintoism and Roman Catholicism are compatable, being a 'pure' Roman Catholic should I have the right to forbid you from claiming that you are both?

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

So is Virginia. Had I been registered in time I would have voted on (ie against) it. Even though I, personally, don't like the idea of gay marriage, I think that a constitutional definition of marriage is a rather silly thing to have.

I agree. But I think it was originally included to deal with polygamy.

 

[Sidhe]

I don't aprove of your life style and don't think you should be allowed to go get married because it doesn't fit my view of what marrige is. If its good enough for you to deny equality then I should be able to dictate how you live too right?

It is a Christian institution though, it's not like his ideals have come out of the blue, your not just affirming equality your overturning thousands of years of belief and upsetting a certain demographic , I see no reason to upset religious sensibilities when a perfectly good compromise is on the table, all this does is lead to the banning of both civil union and marriage between same sex partners as the argument inflames both sides and contention turns against even rational concencus; in a mainly religous area, your unlikely to gain support if you don't give a little to get a little. You don't have to agree with the ins and outs, but if the two sides get something they can agree on it will smoothe relations?

 

[GenMarshall]

I don't aprove of your life style and don't think you should be allowed to go get married because it doesn't fit my view of what marrige is. If its good enough for you to deny equality then I should be able to dictate how you live too right?

I don't give a damn that you don't approve of my conservative traditionalist straight lifestyle. That does not give you the right to forbid me to marry and you don't have the right to dictate how I live.

The bottom line is I don't want gays and lesbians to marry! I don't like their lifestyle! Is that to hard to understand? Do you want me to go as far as having me confess that I am a homophobe, then yes I am one! I want to deny marriage to homosexuals because I see marriage as between a man and a woman and their lifestyle is incompatible with the tradition of marriage.

I don't believe Shintoism and Roman Catholicism are compatible, being a 'pure' Roman Catholic should I have the right to forbid you from claiming that you are both?

Somehow, you would have that right that I cannot be both. But I don't want to be denied to add on Shintoism into Roman Catholicism since I personally feel that Shintoism and Catholicism are compatable. However, living in a country with the freedom of Religion, you should not have the right to forbid me from claiming that I am both.

 

[skadistic]

It is a Christian institution though, it's not like his ideals have come out of the blue, your not just affirming equality your overturning thousands of years of belief and upsetting a certain demographic , I see no reason to upset religious sensibilities when a perfectly good compromise is on the table, all this does is lead to the banning of both civil union and marriage between same sex partners as the argument inflames both sides and contention turns against even rational concencus; in a mainly religous area, your unlikely to gain support if you don't give a little to get a little. You don't have to agree with the ins and outs, but if the two sides get something they can agree on it will smoothe relations?

Or the Christians could keep their marriage to them selves and not force what they believe on a secular nation by way of laws and denying others of equality. If two guys want to get hitched there is no way that the state should be forced to deny them on grounds of religious belief. Christians don't hold a monopoly on definitions. Hell not all Christians have the same view. Its not about give and take and compromise. Its about fair and equal. If gays can't get married then neither should Christians.

 

[skadistic]

I don't give a damn that you don't approve of my conservative traditionalist straight lifestyle. That does not give you the right to forbid me to marry and you don't have the right to dictate how I live.

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So its ok for you to discriminate against others but god forbid they do the same to you.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

so its ok for a christian to deny rights but not have them denied?

is it just me or would there be a massive uproar in america if a majority of iranians decided christians couldnt get married?

 

[Gilder]

It is a Christian institution though, it's not like his ideals have come out of the blue, your not just affirming equality your overturning thousands of years of belief and upsetting a certain demographic , I see no reason to upset religious sensibilities when a perfectly good compromise is on the table, all this does is lead to the banning of both civil union and marriage between same sex partners as the argument inflames both sides and contention turns against even rational concencus; in a mainly religous area, your unlikely to gain support if you don't give a little to get a little. You don't have to agree with the ins and outs, but if the two sides get something they can agree on it will smoothe relations?

It wasn't always entirely Christian, and although the usually fantasy of weddings, is indeed marriage via priest, Christianity hardly comes to mind these days.

 

[cegman]

CivGeneral tell me you were joking. So is it wrong for a black man to marry a white woman?

Oh and I am pretty sure there was marriage before there was Christ or Judism

 

[Gilder]

I don't give a damn that you don't approve of my conservative traditionalist straight lifestyle. That does not give you the right to forbid me to marry and you don't have the right to dictate how I live.

Congrats. Niether do homosexuals.

 

[GenMarshall]

So its ok for you to discriminate against others but god forbid they do the same to you.

so its ok for a christian to deny rights but not have them denied?

Yes, I perfer to keep marriage as a heterosexual tradition and keep it that way. But it is not alright if others discriminate against me or the demographics I belong to. In the context of this thread, its not discrimination, its heterosexualism.

is it just me or would there be a massive uproar in america if a majority of iranians decided christians couldnt get married?

There would be a massive uproar within the Christian society in America if the majority of Iranians decided that Christians (and other non-Iranians) could not get married.

 

[Pyrite]

Bi to roman shinto confusion in a little over a year.

Religion works wonders.

It's not discrimination when god does it!

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Yes, I perfer to keep marriage as a heterosexual tradition and keep it that way. But it is not alright if others discriminate against me or the demographics I belong to. In the context of this thread, its not discrimination, its heterosexualism.


There would be a massive uproar within the Christian society in America if the majority of Iranians decided that Christians (and other non-Iranians) could not get married.

so in less than 5 sentences explain why i shouldnt think you're hypocritical.

 

[GenMarshall]

CivGeneral tell me you were joking. So is it wrong for a black man to marry a white woman?

Its not wrong for an African American to marry a Caucasian woman. However it is wrong in my view that a homosexual couple marry each other.

Congrats. Niether do homosexuals.

Homosexuals should care since we live in a heterosexual society. Not everyone approves of homosexual relations and marriage.

Bi to roman shinto confusion in a little over a year.

What does that mean? I gave prase to Jesus for helping me become a heterosexual. I don't see how I am confused.

 

[Cuivienen]

Yes, I perfer to keep marriage as a heterosexual tradition and keep it that way. But it is not alright if others discriminate against me or the demographics I belong to. In the context of this thread, its not discrimination, its heterosexualism.

Explain to me why heterosexualism is NOT discrimination.

 

[sysyphus]

Yes, I perfer to keep marriage as a heterosexual tradition and keep it that way. But it is not alright if others discriminate against me or the demographics I belong to. In the context of this thread, its not discrimination, its heterosexualism.

It absolutely IS discrimination.