Homosexuals Get Equal Rights In New Jersey

[skadistic]

Yes, I perfer to keep marriage as a heterosexual tradition and keep it that way. But it is not alright if others discriminate against me or the demographics I belong to. In the context of this thread, its not discrimination, its heterosexualism.

You are no better then the Klan or any other bigots. You don't care about people and are just a shallow self absorbed hater. People like you make life hard for a lot of people. It must be nice and comfy in your ivory tower or false moral supiority.

 

[Sidhe]

Or the Christians could keep their marriage to them selves and not force what they believe on a secular nation by way of laws and denying others of equality. If two guys want to get hitched there is no way that the state should be forced to deny them on grounds of religious belief. Christians don't hold a monopoly on definitions. Hell not all Christians have the same view. Its not about give and take and compromise. Its about fair and equal. If gays can't get married then neither should Christians.

I agree civil unions would seem to address this though you have fair and equal under the law, do you need a marriage in a church to have a partnership with equal rights under the law?

Most Christians including CivGeneral would not be opposed to a right of partnership outside of marriage, essentially it's the same thing though with equal conditions but no affirmation by the church, I'm sure most people could agree to that. I think the church has every right to deny it's traditions on what it believes as marriage as a religous union, and the government has every right to accept unions outside of those beliefs, I see nothing wrong with that. And I see no conflict other than a semantic one, marriage/civil union same deal.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Homosexuals should care since we live in a heterosexual society. Not everyone approves of homosexual relations and marriage.

not everyone is christian, why do you think their morals should be law?

 

[Gilder]

Homosexuals should care since we live in a heterosexual society. Not everyone approves of homosexual relations and marriage.

Last time I checked, they were just as part of our society as the rest of us. I don't recall everyone being exclusively hetero. Just because everyone doesn't approve of it doesn't mean you can repress certain rights. I may not approve of how my friends or relatives live, but I'm not going to dictate thier life.

 

[sysyphus]

Homosexuals should care since we live in a heterosexual society. Not everyone approves of homosexual relations and marriage.

Not everybody approves of your religion either.

 

[Zarn]

Somehow, you would have that right that I cannot be both. But I don't want to be denied to add on Shintoism into Roman Catholicism since I personally feel that Shintoism and Catholicism are compatable. However, living in a country with the freedom of Religion, you should not have the right to forbid me from claiming that I am both.

Then you would have no right than to forbid two people from getting married. It is not only about CG. It's about all.

 

[GenMarshall]

Then you would have no right than to forbid two people from getting married. It is not only about CG. It's about all.

Last time I checked, I thought The Roman Catholic Church is against homosexual unions and marriages.

 

[Urederra]

I agree civil unions would seem to address this though you have fair and equal under the law, do you need a marriage in a church to have a partnership with equal rights under the law?

Most Christians including CivGeneral would not be opposed to a right of partnership outside of marriage, essentially it's the same thing though with equal conditions but no affirmation by the church, I'm sure most people could agree to that. I think the church has every right to deny it's traditions on what it believes as marriage as a religous union, and the government has every right to accept unions outside of those beliefs, I see nothing wrong with that. And I see no conflict other than a semantic one, marriage/civil union same deal.

Mostly I agree with you. I don't mind calling it marriage or civil union, but I am afraid that many people is also against civil unions for gays too.

@civgeneral: So you don't want other people to dictate how do you want to live but you are happy dictating other people how they have to live. That is not very christian, Maybe it is a shintoist thing.

 

[Gilder]

Last time I checked, I thought The Roman Catholic Church is against homosexual unions and marriages.

Last time I checked, Christianity did not have the monopoly on marriage.

 

[CurtSibling]

There goes CG again, thinking his morals are the universal benchmark!

 

[Pyrite]

What does that mean? I gave prase to Jesus for helping me become a heterosexual. I don't see how I am confused.

The confusion part just came from the mixing of shintoism and catholicism. One is monotheism, and the other is a type of animist shamanism. You don't like me telling you that they're absolutely not compatible though, do you? Well it's your religion that says that, and based on your religion saying other things are incompatible you wish to outlaw other things that people believe in. Personally I don't care if yr a roman catholic hindu, but you'd do it if you want to, it seems you only follow the things your religion outlaws when they apply to things you personally dislike. Which I guess is expected, I don't see you stoning people wearing two different types of fabric woven together.

And yes, it's so so cool that jesus turned you into a heterosexual bigot. I wish he'd do the same for all us lost.

Last time I checked, I thought The Roman Catholic Church is against homosexual unions and marriages.

Last time I checked it wasn't too fond of shintoism.

 

[Urederra]

Last time I checked, I thought The Roman Catholic Church is against homosexual unions and marriages.

And last time I checked there wasn't a marriage between church and state in the US.

 

[tomsnowman123]

And last time I checked there wasn't a marriage between church and state in the US.

I think it's a civil union.

 

[CurtSibling]

Last time I checked, I thought The Roman Catholic Church is against homosexual unions and marriages.

Last time I checked, the church does not give orders to every human on this planet.

PS
Please rethink these imperious commandments, CG!

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[sysyphus]

I agree civil unions would seem to address this though you have fair and equal under the law, do you need a marriage in a church to have a partnership with equal rights under the law?

What about churches willing and ready to perform and recognise homosexual marriages?

 

[Urederra]

I think it's a civil union.

LOL

 

[cegman]

I can't figure out how CivGeneral is taking the churches words over the actions of Jesus. The man who would spend time talking to whores and lepers and other outcasts. How can this Japanophile listen to what people say when he has a perfect example right in front of him. Oh and Civ the reason Jesus didn't spend time with homosexuals is because they weren't the outcasts at the time.

 

[Sophie 378]

I don't see why consenting adults who love each other shouldn't get hitched if they want to. New Jersey!

And last time I checked there wasn't a marriage between church and state in the US.

I think it's a civil union.

And the (leaders of the) church and the government are both dominated by men ... oh noes, it's a polygamous gay marriage!

 

[Tycoon101]

not everyone is christian, why do you think their morals should be law?

Not everyone who opposes homosexual marriage is Christian. Why should your (Everyone else in this thread's) Christian-Bashing statements be moral?

Have any of you learned of respect? Many of you seem to be discriminating against CivGeneral and many other people in a much worse way than CivGeneral is explaining his views. Get your priorities straight.

 

[GenMarshall]

I can't figure out how CivGeneral is taking the churches words over the actions of Jesus. The man who would spend time talking to whores and lepers and other outcasts. How can this Japanophile listen to what people say when he has a perfect example right in front of him. Oh and Civ the reason Jesus didn't spend time with homosexuals is because they weren't the outcasts at the time.

It states clear as a bell within the Bible as well as in the Catechism that homosexual acts are immoral and wrong.