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[CurtSibling]

He is not a drone, he made a willing choice to believe in Catholicism. Where's the "drone" in that?

It CG's not his beliefs that are the problem here.

It is his oft-repeated tendency to make arrogant statements,
then backtrack and contradict his words when under pressure.

One rule is OK for him, but the rest of us are ordered to follow his dogma.
Such behaviour is the trademark of a person who is rather hypocritical.

And ignorance is not strength, ignoring people does not constitue strength, it entails an unwillingness to change, a resoluteness to stick to their values.

So do you consider ignorance to be a virtue?

As in a medieval peasant's ignorance?

 

[cegman]

Tycoon think about why this forum is biased... It isn't our fault that most people around here don't support such things but I am sure we could find a reason.

 

[Gilder]

There are opposing points! You cannot expect something like this to be unopposed. He has one side of the argument, several others have the other side.

His morals are as valid as your morals, so why do many of you seem to hate him so much?

And why does he seem to hate homosexual's life style? Have you read the arguement? Valid comparisons have been made that leads it to being called discrimination.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

There are opposing points! You cannot expect something like this to be unopposed. He has one side of the argument, several others have the other side.

His morals are as valid as your morals, so why do many of you seem to hate him so much?

we dont hate him, we just dont agree with him and think he cant find a logical argument for why he supports discrimination of gays but not of himself.

 

[GenMarshall]

You still haven't showed me why it is infallible. Pretend I know nothing of Catholicism.

I don't know why it is infallible to be quite honest.

 

[Taliesin]

He is not a drone, he made a willing choice to believe in Catholicism. Where's the "drone" in that?

And ignorance is not strength, ignoring people does not constitue strength, it entails an unwillingness to change, a resoluteness to stick to their values.

It's not that CG is Catholic, or even that he's a conservative Catholic. It's that he unapologetically holds two beliefs between which there is a great deal of tension: that he is right to unreasoningly discriminate against others, and that others are (or would be) wrong to similarly discriminate against him. While we might respect his freedom to hold the beliefs he does, the sheer irrationality of them guarantees that they will be savaged if he attempts to debate on their strength.

You have a right to believe what you will, but you do not have a right not to have your arguments attacked in the context of a supposedly reasonable discussion.

Edited for minor clarification.

 

[cegman]

Oh and Tycoon can't say I hate him. He is an interesting person and fun to argue with but he is in a bad spot here with not a lot of support.

 

[Perfection]

I don't know why it is infallible to be quite honest.

Then why do you believe it?

 

[Urederra]

Then tell your friends to stop discriminating against Christianity.

Most of us are not discriminating against Christianity. And I don't know where do you have this idea from. Saying that the state should legally recognize gay couples, in the form of marriage or, if you prefer, civil unions is not discriminating against Christianity.

I can't sit here, and watch a friend be called worse than a Klan member, and be ridiculed because of something that he believes dearly in.

most os us are not ridiculing him because he is christian. Our point is that christian values shouldn't become law in an, apparently, society that practices free religion.

I'm not sorry about sounding harsh, but let's shift this thread off of CivGeneral and Christianity, and towards the original topic...

He is the one who brings Christianity into the equation, we try to keep on topic.

Which I still oppose.

And gay couples won't care as long as they can have the same benefits as other couples when filling in taxes and writting down last wills.

 

[CurtSibling]

He is telling what he feels is morally right. If you are entitled to your opinion, so is he. It just so happens that he is backed by very few on this biased forum.

No-one is trying to rob him (or anyone) of opinions here.

When a contradictory or imperious assessment is offered, that flies in the
face of most people's philosophies, it is not just bullying or bias, it is a call
for the poster to support his stance without double talk or back-pedalling.

Claiming that a religion states something is condemned, then claiming we
should all follow suit is a tad arrogant and deserving of all the flak it gets.

Changed for the sake of intelligent communication.

Or basic manners.

 

[GenMarshall]

Then why do you believe it?

Because it is the Church's teachings and that I agree with them.

Note: I am going to create a separate thread asking how other Christians reconcile their approval of same-gender marriage (or something like that).

 

[Sidhe]

There are opposing points! You cannot expect something like this to be unopposed. He has one side of the argument, several others have the other side.

His morals are as valid as your morals, so why do many of you seem to hate him so much?

I agree but it doesn't stop people saying that he shouldn't force his morals on others. His side is equally valid given his conditions, but we do have a right to disagree. Most people will find his views pretty unusual, but let's at least respect them, even if they are alien to our own. CivGeneral you keep on keeping on, it's always nice to see both sides of any argument, what would be the point otherwise?

Because it is the Church's teachings and that I agree with them.

Note: I am going to create a separate thread asking how other Christians reconcile their approval of same-gender marriage (or something like that).

Wise move.

 

[CurtSibling]

I don't know why it is infallible to be quite honest.

Egad!

If you don't know, then why just support it?

Why not just own up and give your own reasonings for your viewpoint?

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[Tycoon101]

yes, he is a drone. he can not think for himself and relies on a man across the globe to tell him what to think.

drone.

and how is he not being ignorant by be hmm...."unwilling to change"?

He is not being told to change by a man across the globe, the Pope only speaks Ex Cathedra extremely rarely, such that it is almost never done.

He follows the basic tenants of his Faith, you follow yours. He made a choice to follow Catholicism, you made a choice to follow your religion. No drone there.

As are we, and it just so happens that we're more open-minded.

I disagree. Many of you say that you are open-minded, yet you are no better than a homophobe when talking about religion and morals. Many of you are not open-minded towards other people's beliefs and morals, thus I am angered.

I find it hypocritical that several of you are calling CivGeneral a hypocrite, yet say thast you are open-minded (not totally directed towards you, Gilder.)

 

[Perfection]

Because it is the Church's teachings and that I agree with them.

So you believe the church is infallible because the church says it's infallible?

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Because it is the Church's teachings and that I agree with them.

but we're asking why you believe it?

would you trust a man with candy if he had a car?

what if i told you that dinosaurs never existed? the french one the american revolution? in the 70s Napolean conquered Africa?

why should you believe a book that could easily be a forgery? hell, why do you trust a group who has all too often been proven immoral to translate it for you?

PS, and i'm not saying don't believe in god. i'm saying you should make your own decisions and research things for yourself.

more people put more research into buying a new car than where their soul will end up after life.

 

[CurtSibling]

Because it is the Church's teachings and that I agree with them.

Oh well, at least you are honest.

So we see you refuse to provide a logical argument for your views,
and just capitulate, claiming the church said it, so it must be true.

Times like this make me glad to be an atheist.

.

 

[CurtSibling]

I disagree. Many of you say that you are open-minded, yet you are no better than a homophobe when talking about religion and morals. Many of you are not open-minded towards other people's beliefs and morals, thus I am angered.

Give me a reason to respect and bow before something I regard as non-existant.

I don't just give my praise to a fanclub of people who follow thin air.

Why should I?

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[Sidhe]

He is not being told to change by a man across the globe, the Pope only speaks Ex Cathedra extremely rarely, such that it is almost never done.

He follows the basic tenants of his Faith, you follow yours. He made a choice to follow Catholicism, you made a choice to follow your religion. No drone there.

I quite agree

I disagree. Many of you say that you are open-minded, yet you are no better than a homophobe when talking about religion and morals. Many of you are not open-minded towards other people's beliefs and morals, thus I am angered.

I find it hypocritical that several of you are calling CivGeneral a hypocrite, yet say thast you are open-minded (not totally directed towards you, Gilder.)

I think you are absolutely right, I think there is a lack of open mindedness here. And there is no hypocrisy in CivGenerals view, it's pretty much his churches view, and he's sticking to it. It would be hypocrisy if he chose to flaunt it, not to espouse it.

 

[Zarn]

I don't know why it is infallible to be quite honest.

I mean show me where it is infallible. You do know what makes something infallible right?

Edit: The French did win the American Revolution in a way.