Honestly, folks...

Originally posted by Chris85
Who needs a war with Iraq? Americans let's all band together and call to arms to wipe out the Europeans. :lol: :soldier:

Yeah, bash the Austrailians. :goodjob:

Yeah, let's rally to fight a huge and destructive war on the Atlantic! Europeans gather! Build huge polluting factories to build huge polluting war machines, and let's try to fight the Americans to not only decrease their pollution, but grab their pollution quotas!

:lol:
 
Yuk, hell no, boycotting Australia, never. Perhaps you know the word "economics", if so, then you'll suddenly realize that there are several reasons why both the United States and Australia has rejected the Kyoto Protocol.

Ah shoot, one's suddenly overwhelmed by my envirophobia!
 
Originally posted by insurgent
Now and them an idealist drops in here at this forum, and after a short while realises that we cannot be helped...

Thats a defeatist attitude that gets people no-where. Just another selfish example of the human race.


Of course it's wrong that some nations are not willing to agree with others on such basic things, but to fully understand the situation, you have to look at it from their side too. It's people like you who are a part of the problem. You take a stance and reject anything that deviates even slightly, provoking lots of people to take the opposite stance. The environmentalists or rather their behaviour is a part of the problem, a significant one, I'd even say.

Of course you seem to be such an expert. Just what have you done to help? Have you ever considered even trying to do something. The planet needs people like me because otherwise there would be no resistance. Do you understand the issues. Judging from this post I doubt it very much.

Should I take it from this post that enviromentalist should not exist? So without people that actually care the world is all going to be fine in the end? Thats quite far fetched. Without 'people like me' there would be no organisational structrure to attempt to do something. The problem does not just go away like you obviously believe. Promoting awareness is key to developing a worldwide understanding of the problem we are facing. Don't you dare tell me that Im part of the problem. I've spent more time trying to make a difference than most people do. If your not helping us your part of the problem.

You will have to help me clarify something here. Just what divine force do you think will make everything alright. Make everything right. Live in reality. Do you propose we just sit tight and ride the storm because everything will be fine in the end? Prehaps you could give me some examples of the damage 'us enviromentalist' have done.
 
Originally posted by Biologic


Since when was enviromental studies 'junk science'. Either your totally ignorant to the facts or you live in your own fantasy world. Despite which you are totally wrong.

No, I live in the real world. The US does produce the most CO2 of any nation. We also have the largest industrial output of any nation.

What I do not dispute:
The US is the largest consumer of energy in the world.

What I do dispute:
That this is a problem.

What I do not dispute:
The US produces the largest amount of artificially generated CO2.

What I do dispute:
That this is a significant problem.

What I do not dispute:
The climate might be changing.

What I do dispute:
That humans are the cause.

Is my position now clear?

You may now feel free to label me a monstrous, blind, eco-hating, puppet of capitalsm. None of that is true, but go right ahead. I won't mind, because I know you can't help it.

edited for clarity
 
Originally posted by nixon
Yuk, hell no, boycotting Australia, never. Perhaps you know the word "economics", if so, then you'll suddenly realize that there are several reasons why both the United States and Australia has rejected the Kyoto Protocol.

Ah shoot, one's suddenly overwhelmed by my envirophobia!

It may be a joke to you. Its a sad mentality. So where to go now. The two most polluting nations should be allowed to enjoy their economy whilst other countries should cut done.

Oh dear saving the planet is too expensive, we have too many other more pressing matters.
 
Millions of dollars in ecological terrorism. Groups like the "Earth Liberation Front?"

Torching a McDonald's or putting spikes in trees isn't a good way to get your message across.
 
Are you labeling the actions of one group onto every eviromentalist?

Well when you find out that money cannot be eaten and your kids get sun cancer at the age of 16 then maybe you'll understand that action should have been taken. Its easy to dismiss us, but its alot harder to actually be us. If you see what I mean. The kind of actions you described are not clever. ther will only cause resentment and anger.This does not help. There is good being done out there and it is truely for our benifit. I want to preserve the unique bio-diversity of the planet so future generations can enjoy it. But if no-one cares about doing anything then any action could come well to late. I don't expect people here to rally under my banner and go off to save the world. People as individuals follow their own calling. Just understand that its easy for me to get arguementative over the issues which are important to me.
 
Of course you seem to be such an expert. Just what have you done to help? Have you ever considered even trying to do something. The planet needs people like me because otherwise there would be no resistance.

Narcissism.

Do you understand the issues. Judging from this post I doubt it very much.

Arrogance.

Should I take it from this post that enviromentalist should not exist? So without people that actually care the world is all going to be fine in the end?

Presumptousness.

Without 'people like me' there would be no organisational structrure to attempt to do something. The problem does not just go away like you obviously believe. Promoting awareness is key to developing a worldwide understanding of the problem we are facing. Don't you dare tell me that Im part of the problem. I've spent more time trying to make a difference than most people do. If your not helping us your part of the problem.

Again narcissism, arrogance, and presumptousness.

You will have to help me clarify something here. Just what divine force do you think will make everything alright. Make everything right.

Presumptousness.

Live in reality. Do you propose we just sit tight and ride the storm because everything will be fine in the end? Prehaps you could give me some examples of the damage 'us enviromentalist' have done.

Arrogance.



I get a feeling that you'll do very well on this forum...

:goodjob:
 
Look, I think we should limit our pollution, and I agree something should be done. We have reasonable suspicion that we are changing the planet to the worse. That is enough to act upon, when it is such an important matter.

But do understand the people who do not agree with you. They don't want to act on some biased scientist's unproven feelings. They only THINK we are provoking Global Warming.

Of course people have to act and advocate their beliefs. Anything else would be stupid, but environmentalists should consider their words and actions better before doing what they are doing. They provoke polarisation with their behaviour. People reject the causes of environmentalists, often just because the environmentalists act foolishly.

But be reasonable, and have tolerance. You'll get nowhere acting that way. Stick to the argument and argue your case.
 
insurgent, you're too cool. :D :goodjob:
 
Thank you Switch, you fight our right-wing cause very well yourself! :goodjob:

I return your salute, sir!

Oh, and you too Becka! :goodjob:

Nice people...
 
Originally posted by Biologic
Before I get attacked by the zealots. I'll shift my focus of attention now to Australia the second most polluting country in the world. Also the largest polluting country per person. They decided not to bother doing anything as well so if you want to help, (and it really only will take 5 minutes then follow the link below).

http://www.foe.co.uk/campaigns/climate/press_for_change/email_australia/index.html


:lol: That will really have an impact - a few people e-mailing the Australian government with their little demands. Fools.
 
It reminds me the times where slavery was in use, and pro-slavers were saying that "slavery was indispensable for economics" and that anti-slavers were "just some idealistic fools" and such garbage.


Well, face it, greedy pigs will always exist and always try to explain their self-centered reasoning with pseudo-arguments on the supposed utopia that their opponents have while saying about them that they are "dreaming of a perfect world" and "have not any idea about what they say".
 
Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
That will really have an impact - a few people e-mailing the Australian government with their little demands. Fools.

And think about it. It has even less effect because you can send it under ten different names. And I guarantee a lot of people do that, and I guarantee that about 100% get deleted by the secretary or whoever goes through the mailbox...

:lol:
 
Originally posted by Becka
insurgent, you're too cool. :D :goodjob:

Sure.
Acting cynical looks good, it gives the superficial impression that the person is mature and have come past her illusions through experience.
Until you become aware that cynism never produce anything beside the "I'm acting cool" and that ridiculizing the person allow to avoid to deal with what this person is saying.

Thanks for the show.
 
Originally posted by Akka
Sure.
Acting cynical looks good, it gives the superficial impression that the person is mature and have come past her illusions through experience.
Until you become aware that cynism never produce anything beside the "I'm acting cool" and that ridiculizing the person allow to avoid to deal with what this person is saying.

Thanks for the show.

Oh, you're welcome... :D

No, seriously there's no point in acting like he does.

IMHO any action must be taken by the governments and they must be led to taking that decision through the democratic process. If the politicians sense that it matters to the people, they will act on the matter.
 
You don't know for sure, who's fault it really is, it might as well just be a natural reaction, a reaction which has repeated itself many times during the lifetime of this planet.

I agree, to a certain extent, that we could do a little more to decrease the emissions of carbon dioxide, but at the same time, I do understand those countries who which the follow their own advice. You can't make it a global responsibility, before you come up with some really devastating evidence. That's what all you green peasants fail to understand. One reason why I hate your kind of types is your conviction right from the start that you're right, thus ruling out any other substantial evidence coming from the other side.

Another reason I hate you, is that you're just like the ATTAC and Greenpeace guys who resort to violence when you fail to reach your goals. These kinds of infantile deeds don't' promote your cause. I bet you would gladly have participated in the vicious ravaging terror protests which have left cities in ruins. Those sick inflamers, including the anti-globalists, ought to be shot for their brutish acts which must be sharply condemned as acts which impedes the whole dialog. That's why I don't hold any respect, whatsoever, for you and your cause because it's filled with anti-globalist propaganda.

But do present your conclusive evidence if you believe that you stand better than we do. Do stop your blatant denouncements of our viewpoint, then you'll get a lot further.
 
I don't get what all of you are arguing about sometimes.

Pollution has a direct effect on our weather... Well d'uh. The question is how much effect, not if there is effect.
And for that the professors should argue, not you.
 
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