How many riots does it take...

[jackelgull]

And the point is that the small added police powers you are suggesting as possible don't make the connection for someone who has just taken damage from a riot. You can't tell someone who just saw their store burned down by an angry mob that "if we only had some checkpoints that wouldn't have happened," or "if our guns were automatic weapons that wouldn't have happened," or anything of the sort. But he can clearly say "if your cops weren't dead set on infuriating the town that wouldn't have happened," and he'll be right.

Who do you think the shop keeper is angrier at the mob or the police? The shop keeper isn't going to be sympathetic to the protesters. He or she isn't going to be thinking rationally about the situation.

 

[Lay_Lay]

I love how we are all supposed to be more angry at the system, than we are at the rampant irresponsibility of tens of millions of people, such as a single mother having many children she can't afford, in a high crime area, with poor schools.
I'm supposed to think the System is a worse problem than the millions of Her.
Sorry no, it's definitely Her.
And therefore, the solution is obviously everything to do with Her and her uterus.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Who do you think the shop keeper is angrier at the mob or the police? The shop keeper isn't going to be sympathetic to the protesters. He or she isn't going to be thinking rationally about the situation.

They aren't going to be sympathetic to anyone, or thinking rationally. And they don't need to. They are just going to make a demand; "FIX IT!"

However, politicians are pragmatists. When they encounter an unavoidable demand to fix it, they will try to fix it. And despite all wild claims to the contrary politicians are very aware of what works. They are also well aware of just how much egg is on their face courtesy of the police.

 

[Arwon]

I love how we are all supposed to be more angry at the system, than we are at the rampant irresponsibility of tens of millions of people, such as a single mother having many children she can't afford, in a high crime area, with poor schools.
I'm supposed to think the System is a worse problem than the millions of Her.
Sorry no, it's definitely Her.
And therefore, the solution is obviously everything to do with Her and her uterus.

Tell us what you really mean.

 

[Azale]

Where did I say that? In fact, where did I even imply that? I won't address the rest of your post because it seems based off of a gross misrepresentation of what I actually said.

You should word your posts more carefully. You sprinkle in loaded terms effortlessly and then expect us to do all the work of reading your mind. Go wash an extra pair of boostraps and strap 'em on and then explain the misunderstanding.

 

[classical_hero]

Or maybe the cops shouldn't think that black lives are inherently worth less than white one's

Perhaps the black community should be looking at themselves first?
http://www.isaacfaber.com/thoughts/2015/4/26/who-kills-police-and-who-police-kill

What immediately jumps out is that African Americans lead the population normalized averages for both victims and killers. This is primarily due to the large amount of murders that take place within this community. What is also of interest is that police are second in victims and only fourth in the killer group by totals. An example interpretation is that a police officer is more than three times as likely to be killed by an African American than to kill one (7.5 vs 2). This comparison is derived from the population discrepancy (40M African Americans compared to 809K police). Another interesting observation is that an African American is almost 10 times more likely to be killed by a white person than vice-versa (2.55 vs .24).

What is clear from this review is that an obvious problem exists. The riots in Baltimore are a visceral example of what the data has shown. Law enforcement and the African American communities are locked in an adversarial relationship that out weighs all other groups. This remains a challenge for our time.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Tell us what you really mean.

Is "sterilize the poor" close to the mark?

 

[useless]

Who here has said anything of the sort? I'm getting a little sick and tired of your gross mischaracterizations of people's arguments just to advance your own point. You do this in every single thread you participate in and it's starting to get old.

No one here has stated that property is worth more than human life. The argument that has been made just calls into question the legitimacy of burning, looting, and destroying the livelihoods of other citizens as a response to police brutality.

You're free to ignore me if you find me so irritating.

But if you just did some research on every single post i've made on the issue of riots, you'd be able to come to an actual reasonable, intellectually honest conclusion but go ahead and mischaracterise my posts, which you just accused me off.

 

[Commodore]

You're free to ignore me if you find me so irritating.

But if you just did some research on every single post i've made on the issue of riots, you'd be able to come to an actual reasonable, intellectually honest conclusion but go ahead and mischaracterise my posts, which you just accused me off.

Translation of the above: "I don't have any legitimate counter-point to your statement so I'm just going to attempt to evade the issue by coming up with some snarky little response."

 

[Commodore]

You should word your posts more carefully. You sprinkle in loaded terms effortlessly and then expect us to do all the work of reading your mind. Go wash an extra pair of boostraps and strap 'em on and then explain the misunderstanding.

You indirectly accused me of stating or implying the following:

Every black man (or white man or latino) who's been mauled by the police is a criminal? All the outrage is entirely about this one dude?

So I asked which post you were referring to in which I either stated or implied the above since apparently you are the only one that interpreted my posts in that manner. Even Tim, who vehemently disagrees with my stance on the matter, was able to understand what I was saying without any additional explanation. So the problem is not with my wording, the problems is with your interpretation of my wording.

 

[bathsheba666]

What more is the Mayor and police Chief (both black apparently) supposed to do? Drag the cops involved out and execute them publically?

Please no, no need for them to descend to the level of police behaviour.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Is "sterilize the poor" close to the mark?

I actually thought it was "kill them before they can breed", but I suppose this might have been it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You indirectly accused me of stating or implying the following:



So I asked which post you were referring to in which I either stated or implied the above since apparently you are the only one that interpreted my posts in that manner. Even Tim, who vehemently disagrees with my stance on the matter, was able to understand what I was saying without any additional explanation. So the problem is not with my wording, the problems is with your interpretation of my wording.

I have become the benchmark; a suitably low standard of understanding written English.

Spoiler :

For anyone who didn't get it, this was simple levity and no criticism of Commodore is intended. While we do vehemently disagree on matters of law enforcement conduct I doubt that his racism is rooted any more deeply than my own and agree that reading racism into what he has said here is pretty stretchy.

 

[dgfred]

I actually thought it was "kill them before they can breed", but I suppose this might have been it.

Of course adding another child to an already welfare parent is not such a great idea in my opinion... but it seems around here they get more money for such child. Should there be a limit? Who pays for the birth of another kid when the family is already on welfare?

I always wonder... one daughter for me was hard enough to bring up financially.

 

[Recon Rover]

What really gets my goat in all of this is the demand that the protesters stop their violence.

Shouldn't the police be the ones stopping their violence first?

They injure and kill black people and then have the audacity to demand the other side stop their violence. They want non-violence in return for violence. Really, to bother asking for a timeout half way through something the police started in the first place really exposes their dishonesty quite clearly.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What really gets my goat in all of this is the demand that the protesters stop their violence.

Shouldn't the police be the ones stopping their violence first?

They injure and kill black people and then have the audacity to demand the other side stop their violence. They want non-violence in return for violence. Really, to bother asking for a timeout half way through something the police started in the first place really exposes their dishonesty quite clearly.

Someone on another forum asked me if I wanted an "eye for an eye society." My response is that if the alternative is a "cops can take your eye with impunity society" then yes that would be an improvement.

 

[Recon Rover]

Precisely. The protests are continually misconstrued as a solution, as if they want to overthrow authority or something.

Rather, they are a reaction to a problem.

The solution of course, is to stop killing black people. However the police want to achieve that apparently difficult objective is up to them.

 

[Kozmos]

I think we should get used to this kind of thing. You can't neglect and suppress large segments of poor communities for many decades and not except blowback. It's like...historical man.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think we should get used to this kind of thing. You can't neglect and suppress large segments of poor communities for many decades and not except blowback. It's like...historical man.

We should get used to it until the blowback hits a genuine big city. I'm betting on Chicago. In LA, Chicago, New York, there will be so many rioters and so many people among the rioters with training and experience in urban warfare that the entire country will end up shocked and revolted at the outcome. At that point the police reform will be conducted nationwide, rather than on a city by city basis.

My prediction. You heard it here first.

 

[EgonSpengler]

What really gets my goat in all of this is the demand that the protesters stop their violence.

Shouldn't the police be the ones stopping their violence first?

They injure and kill black people and then have the audacity to demand the other side stop their violence. They want non-violence in return for violence. Really, to bother asking for a timeout half way through something the police started in the first place really exposes their dishonesty quite clearly.

Link to video.

I can't find when or where this was. 1963, at a guess, because he's clean-shaven. There are others around, one from '64 in an interview with someone who sounds like Dick Cavett.