How Many World Shaking Events Have You Lived Throug

[sendos]

Tanya.

Havoc. No, wait. Volkov.

 

[Angst]

Chew on this!

 

[El_Machinae]

Not on my list. I didn't even notice.

That's just dissonance. You actually started your long quest of wondering whether the self doesn't truly exist on that day.

 

[Hygro]

The Loma Prieta

 

[Kyriakos]

Ice Bucket Challenge.

 

[Zkribbler]

Fall of China to the Communists.
intercontinental air passenger airlines
invetion of television
North Korea vs. the UN

Spoiler :

I listed this because it was a worldwide effort, but there are regional conflicts e.g. Suez war, Berlin blockade, 6-day war, Vietnam. Falkland Island conflict

Space Race
invention of Rock 'n' Roll.
de-colonization of the Third World
collapse of the Soviet Bloc, incl. the USSR
civil rights movement
'73 Oil Crisis
invention of the Internet
Replacement of meaningful media with popcorn blockbusters
Publication of Playboy and its ilk
Re-emergence of far-right politics and rise of the Plutocracy
Rise of renewable energy
cargo-container shipping

 

[NovaKart]

I was in Iraqi Kurdistan when ISIS invaded Mosul and while I was relatively nearby daily life seemed to go on the same. However I knew a lot of people affected, refugees, people fighting ISIS and some people who had family members killed.

I remember shortly after it happened there were refugee camps set up in tents in some parks, construction sites and some people living in schools until the more permanent camps were set up.

The political situation in Kurdistan also got worse. I remember being on the street with SWAT teams on every block for a few days when there were protests. Same in Turkey when Kurds were protesting about Kobane. Actually it was worse there.

My mother said when Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald it was the only time she’d ever seen someone killed live on TV and it was really shocking.

 

[Angst]

I was in Iraqi Kurdistan when ISIS invaded Mosul and while I was relatively nearby daily life seemed to go on the same. However I knew a lot of people affected, refugees, people fighting ISIS and some people who had family members killed.

I remember shortly after it happened there were refugee camps set up in tents in some parks, construction sites and some people living in schools until the more permanent camps were set up.

The political situation in Kurdistan also got worse. I remember being on the street with SWAT teams on every block for a few days when there were protests. Same in Turkey when Kurds were protesting about Kobane. Actually it was worse there.

My mother said when Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald it was the only time she’d ever seen someone killed live on TV and it was really shocking.

When Trump abandoned the Kurds... I was upset for weeks. I can't imagine how you felt.

 

[NovaKart]

I wasn’t surprised really because America has always prioritized the relationship with Turkey.

 

[Angst]

I wasn’t surprised really because America has always prioritized the relationship with Turkey.

Still, they fought side by side in the Kurds in that war and just abandoned them. It was an international travesty to me.

 

[r16]

a lot of lies . Nobody has abandoned the Kurds . Weapon deliveries and supply convoys never stopped under Trump . The Kurds are still the means to the destruction of 4 countries in the Middle East , with millions still projected yet to die in Civil Wars . Only that the long loved ones proved themselves to be empty with abandoning Kerkük the moment lranians showed up . Simply leads to strengthening / prolonging of New Turkey which will deliver a nation state to Kurds who will then have the heart for what the West wants from them .

 

[Hygro]

Maybe those four countries should agree to create a Kurdistan and be done with fighting...

 

[Angst]

a lot of lies . Nobody has abandoned the Kurds . Weapon deliveries and supply convoys never stopped under Trump . The Kurds are still the means to the destruction of 4 countries in the Middle East , with millions still projected yet to die in Civil Wars . Only that the long loved ones proved themselves to be empty with abandoning Kerkük the moment lranians showed up . Simply leads to strengthening / prolonging of New Turkey which will deliver a nation state to Kurds who will then have the heart for what the West wants from them .

I'm not sure how to respond to this.

It was a major international faux pas with Kurds having to immediately abandon much of their area on instruction, including in ISIS territory, with Erdogan moving in shortly after. Highly and intricately covered by worldwide watchdogs and news.

Of course they're still receiving weapons, other nations didn't abandon them like the US did. Russia in particular picked up an alliance with them. Russia has weapons. Which is part of what this conspiracy of the "West" of yours makes absolutely no sense. And in the immediacy of it, Turks just moved in, and they were heavily damaged strategically. And beyond that, a hundred thousand people were displaced.

And the idea that Erdogan would willingly give up the territory is definitely news to me. As in, I don't believe it. If he wants to, he can just do it, you know, and it hasn't happened. It's also a baffling statement since the primary winner of the abandonment was Erdogan, and he actively capitalized on it after the event.

The idea that they're the arbiters of destruction is also strange. I have a complicated relation to their affairs, and know they aren't angels, but in this case they were a primary ally against ISIS in the region, and of those, I know who I prefer. I also know of the Turkish abuse of Kurds, which does not make me think that Turkey has legitimacy in the Kurdish area.

As Hygro says, all of this would be done if they were allowed their right to govern themselves.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...decision-abandon-kurds-syria-disaster-898493/

Rolling Stone, but consistent with any other international coverage of the incident.

What news are you watching?

 

[r16]

there is this Hour of Opposition in the Turkish language edition of Voice of Russia . lts real star is a guy who calls himself the Traveller . Though now that he long ago described himself as a teacher in military academies and NATO institutions for at least 18 years , the State would know him . Either an agent provocateur or truly fed up . Though he might also be merely some guy , his long repeated claim that Yamamoto signed the surrender document on Missouri in 1945 is like wrong in some angles !.. Accordingly two days ago , he referred to PM's palace in Ankara , with like 412 000 square meters of floor space or whatever the word , with a hint that it would take some explanation when the PM loses power . Yesterday , some Party Channel , actually the Turkish edition of Ted Turner's finest and it is a saga in itself . The Opposition in my country , after taking a peek at CNN the original , have made repeated calls on Atlanta to revoke the deal and deny the CNN title to the Party channel , considering Trump was yet just a shade of what we have been living in the last two decades ... Anyhow , Kenan Evren , the leader of the 1980 coup , had a villa in a seaside resort town . lt was torn down in "revenge" , a new house built instead by his children and they are hard pressed and want to sell the unfinished building and they can't sell . This as a sign of the power of Democracy . Meanwhile in Cyprus they are building a palace in a place called Kermiya or something like that because the power of Democracy and whatnot and also the PM told them to build a palace last year . See , people are like ready to give up when they read my posts , with endless rants . As am so willing to repeat , discourse without context is meaningless and if you are to think this is mere parroting of things ı have heard but have no idea about , it is within your rights .

but the thing would remain that America's first priority is still the Middle East and the Pacific is a distraction that suddenly came up and started to bite them , despite decades of various narratives from the media ... Don't know how much of a "believer" you are , but there are long set goals with a given number of survivors 12 times 12 thousands , since the times of the Crusades . lranian fault is once destroying lraq and letting people return to Kudüs . Ours is 1492 . lraq was supposedly taken out , Syria is regularly bombed . New Turkey would be brought down in a week with a determined economic stuff ; they just want to assure a similarly pliable and responsive New New Turkey . Accordingly , American Special Forces kept wearing armbands of a Marxist Leninist terror organization , so defined by American Congress reports and stuff .

my late father was poor in his early years ; he developed a real dedication to shoes with thick soles . And one day he was happy to give me a pair of sports . Suitably thick undersides . Would last long , keep my feet warm . ı wasn't exactly thrilled . The brand , which you could possibly vocalize as "Mech Up" was known to be "the" single source of footwear for the seperatists in the field . Won't reject dad's gift of course . And hell , it doesn't keep my feet warm at all . ı would discover like almost a microscobic hole under one of them , which was incredibly effective in sucking up water from the streets in winter . You know , the seperatists in the field are important and when a thing fails quality control it can still be sold to Turks ... The company by the way was in lstanbul .

but , no , "betrayal" is not the issue . Your joining date suggests you would have encountered my accounts of me being the museum guide whom the city laughed at . Anyhow , a winter day , feet wet because ı can avoid pools of water most of the time , and this obvious Easterner comes from the other end of the street as am walking home . Starts the usual smile as he sees me ... ı forgot what ı was that week , failed coupist , gay , husband of a woman you can buy for 10 000 pounds a night or some unholy combination of all . His smile gets wider and wider as he sees my eyes . The people think they see anger and helplessness and all other sorts of things in my eyes , making them far superior . Then we come closer , almost to pass by and he has got his fix , his satisfaction .

then he sees my shoes . That brand . The brand . His colour fades . The mere shoes suddenly suggest him that there might be things he doesn't know . Because nobody else wears them . And he might end up gutted .

not by me but some couple of jerks , perhaps , given a packet of cigarettes or just a bag of heroin to sell , as transited over by freedom fighters ... Despite you making a note that you are aware of things , let me stress that Kurds , especially those favourably covered by the media , will not bring Democracy or human rights or anything fancy to Middle East .

considering they are a creation of Ankara under ClA supervision , to fracture the Left and unify the Right in the 1970s when the things looked like Left could win the elections . Before growing up to useful proportions in international scale . The seperatists are allowed to operate at will according to the needs and hunted down when it suits . And no , ı don't think you would ever encounter a TV company that would report that Holocaust ll is a primary American Foreign Policy goal ... Poster rather famous for rejecting to meet US State Department crews ...

 

[Angst]

Yea uh the reason people miss the "context" of your posts is because they're absolutely not related to what you're talking about at all. I understand the point of context, I overcontextualize my own claims too much when I speak and write, but wet shoes and a poor father of yours has no causal link to the only relevant paragraphs of yours, the two last ones. I'm well aware of the implied violence that you're trying to demonstrate, but y'know, maybe cite some actual destruction rather than a look. I'm also aware of US corruption in foreign affairs and the destruction they bring. I'm not denying that. You also said nothing about your absurd inference that Erdogan wants to give the Kurds their territory, and that it's all on them that they don't have it yet, but rather talked about Turkish corruption which I have no idea what to do with. You also said that Trump's abandonment of the Kurds didn't happen. And you also talk about the Crusades and 1492 without anything but a tangential link, which I'm also a bit tired from. I think I understand the point of yours, that Western intervention in the Middle East is a longer, historical affair, but you ignore the hundreds of years where the Europeans were completely unable to do anything about the Middle Eastern powers. You know, the reason colonialism started to begin with - they were getting beaten up by the Ottomans so bad it was cheaper to get around Africa. So if your point is victimization, then no. That's not the case at all. The current state of things re: the Middle East rather started in the 1800s.

What Trump did was to abandon an important ally against ISIS, in order for Erdogan to take the region. You said it didn't happen. Which was just wrong. Waffling about the Crusades is not going to change this fact, and it's not going to change the fact that it strengthened Russia, which is a much darker entity than the US, and going by how malevolent US international policy is, this says a lot about Russia.

 

[r16]

ı kinda follow the affairs that happen . As New Turkey is the center piece of long running plans and we Turks/Ottomans modernizing/Republic happen to be earlier in experiments so that lran and willing Arab countries can learn from our experiments , your notion that Trump hurt Kurdish aspirations for a Nation State are kind of wrong . New Turkey destroying this country will unhinge this famous Resistance Front or whatever in the Middle East . The very notion that the Republic had failed , with the arrest of coup-plotters and what not is the express reason why the great Arab Awakening happened . That the Kemalist fools would not be able to sabotage the affairs in Syria meant Muslim Brotherhood would be far too powerful . Meaning Hüsnü Mübarek had to go . Tunisia was an accident in the vendor who burned himself and his tribe chest banging for he was slapped by some female official during the altercation when his scale was confiscated . Libya happened because France was unhappy with Americans preparing to steal a French colony and am oddly amused to see nobody in CFC mentioning Sarkozy given a jail term for his Crusade to embezzle Kaddafi money , in both election donations and oil to be stolen from Libya . Algeria was willing to let Kaddafi stay . Egypt would agree but for the thing that Syria would fall because no Kemalists . So , they had to agree . From which they managed to reverse real fast , because New Turkey was a lot of talk . And indeed we saw what this country could do , militarily , against a "former" superpower . Denying us Article V of the NATO treaty is another fixation of the West . Now that whatever we have must be in finite amounts , certainly nothing infinite or anything like that .

so , another soup from which the reader can not make any sense ? lndeed ... Nobody would ever want anyone to believe them either ... but in case of a real need you could do the usual and copy paste them to whatever word processor you use and read , divide or attach in any order you like . lndeed you will find no real evidence that ı ordered like 3000 bikini tops to fly from tank antennas , because this was supposedly how the King Hussein of Jordan was pushed into open war with the PLO in 1970 , which in the end went 180 degrees of the designed plot by making Jordan more secure with less internal divisions and making Egypt and Syria once again the target of lsraeli "expansion" . Which they countered but this time professionally .

and you are wrong ... New Turkey gave territory to Kurds , with 12 little towns and neighbourhoods as the first step as liberated zones . Muslim Brotherhood's hold in liberated Syria to balance the losses . When nobody showed up to conquer Syria in the name of New Turkey and the palace in Ankara still smelled of fresh paint , if you are to delve into the pointless , the liberated zones had to be taken back . Hundreds of troops and policemen were lost , with nothing done by seperatist elites to help the youngsters and losers left to die in the pockets . lSlL ? Had a slave bazzar where they sold women , on the first Black American President's watch , in some place called Telafer ... A Turkoman place arranged as a divider between Kurdish zones during the Ottoman times and Americans during the occupation of lraq had an attempt at ethnic cleansing . New Turkey was not as powerful as it would be just years later . Russia ? Why do you think they are in Syria , despite the dancing they do around us ? Because they know New Turkey and it really fails in anything real ...

and uh , where is this Kurdish territory ? Alaska ? Siberia ? Ah yes , the lands they supposedly conquered from Byzantines and then gifted to nomads from Central Asia ? What's this fixation to create a new Nation State when all other Nation States are bad and must go ?

 

[Zardnaar]

If you treat people like crap eg the Kurds it's no wonder they want things like their own state.

 

[r16]

yeah , indeed . And keep treating Turks as vermin to be destroyed because they do not exist in the first place or anything . The first and foremost reason why Kurds are mistreated or anything is that any advance on par with average Western concepts these days would have to benefit Turks , too . ln a country that is supposed to be assimilated to be Arabian .

and of course indeed Kurds are whipped by whips everyday in the streets because you know they are oppressed and stuff .

 

[Zardnaar]

yeah , indeed . And keep treating Turks as vermin to be destroyed because they do not exist in the first place or anything . The first and foremost reason why Kurds are mistreated or anything is that any advance on par with average Western concepts these days would have to benefit Turks , too . ln a country that is supposed to be assimilated to be Arabian .

and of course indeed Kurds are whipped by whips everyday in the streets because you know they are oppressed and stuff .

I'm talking about when they were treated as Mountain Turks a d not allowed to use their own language or teach it in schools.

Using the Turkish army in Kurdish areas things like that.

 

[r16]

another ah yes . So , what will happen if they start teaching theirs in school , suddenly giving up all plans for seperation , like in one second flat ? And the way how there were some who bragged about the way they assisted Ottomans in the cleansing of Turkomans during the 1500s . And the way they always provide the necessary majority to Right Wing Goverments which then go and oppress them and call them Mountain Turks while the initial impetus of feodal lords sending "volunteers" to the seperatists was a share in the ordinary smuggling and drug trade the "liberated zones" would faciliate . As such , what were we supposed to employ , the Canadian Army ? And , indeed , in the days of the Republic , the Army was always more popular , even in the East , as conscription would mean there would be people who would at least try to understand the concerns of ordinary people , instead of the totally corrupt "civilian" agencies .