How real is class war?

[NedimNapoleon]

Link to video.

 

[Core Imposter]

Here is a related rant by a liberal dingbat carrying water for the campaign to reelect:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/18/INAV1NK18P.DTL&type=printable

 

[Formaldehyde]

The only people I ever hear complain about class warfare are rich people. I hear about it usually when some Rich folks are asked to pay a bit more taxes. Usually that's when I hear someone like Sean Hannity start whining about how victimized the rich are. It's pretty ridiculous.

This. In the US, it is largely a fabrication to try to divert attention from the real issues.

 

[Core Imposter]

And here is an article that talks about some of the political failure that is the real causative agent in our decline.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/20220318desperately_tweaking_trade_policy/

 

[Abegweit]

On the issue of taxes, nobody cares. Nobody wants higher taxes for anybody except for the union pigs and some misguided urban black poor.

By far the most important group who want higher taxes are the leaches that mooch off them. This means bureaucrats, teachers, college professors and other groups. BTW, I know some urban black poor and they don't agitate for higher taxes. That may be because the ones I know work for a living.

Again, it's the leaches against the rest of us.

 

[Phrossack]

By far the most important group who want higher taxes are the leaches that mooch off them. This means bureaucrats, teachers, college professors and other groups. BTW, I know some urban black poor and they don't agitate for higher taxes. That may be because the ones I know work for a living.

Again, it's the leaches against the rest of us.

You do, of course, realise that "bureaucrats, teachers, college professors" etc. are critical to an educated and efficient society, and are NOT "leaches" (sic), right?

 

[holy king]

By far the most important group who want higher taxes are the leaches that mooch off them. This means bureaucrats, teachers, college professors and other groups. BTW, I know some urban black poor and they don't agitate for higher taxes. That may be because the ones I know work for a living.

Again, it's the leaches against the rest of us.

may i dare to ask what is you are producing?

 

[Abegweit]

You do, of course, realise that "bureaucrats, teachers, college professors" etc. are critical to an educated and efficient society, and are NOT "leaches" (sic), right?

No. I don't accept that at all. I think I was rather clear about the subject. 98% of what bureaucrats do is wasteful, pure and simple and much of that is outright damaging. Teachers and professors are a little better - maybe only 90% wasteful.

The purpose of education, BTW, is mainly propaganda. The poor learn that the state is the to help them. The "educated" learn that they have a right a to steal from the rest of us.

 

[kramerfan86]

lol not sure what school you went to but mine was fairly free on those lessons.

 

[Abegweit]

may i dare to ask what is you are producing?

I really don't think it's any of your business, but I'll answer it anyway. I'm a software engineer. My specialty is machine vision, primarily for use in quality control on assembly lines.

 

[Abegweit]

lol not sure what school you went to but mine was fairly free on those lessons.

On the contrary, I'd say you learned them very well.

 

[Core Imposter]

You do, of course, realise that "bureaucrats, teachers, college professors" etc. are critical to an educated and efficient society, and are NOT "leaches" (sic), right?

LOL, really? There lies the root of the disconnect between the right and the left. He is right and you are lost on the left.

But he errs somewhat on the issue of the leeches wanting taxes, they actually only want spending. Taxes are optional since there is no actual plan to balance the budget or pay off the debt.

You best get with the program. The left "captured" these professions long ago. I don't pretend that we can save this Republic but when founding the next republic none of these people can be allowed to participate. They must be excluded.

 

[kramerfan86]

On the contrary, I'd say you learned them very well.

uh huh, if you some how drug those lessons out of basic lessons on math, science, literature, and history (not analysis just blunt a did B in year C) that sounds like a personal problem to me.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You best get with the program. The left "captured" these professions long ago. I don't pretend that we can save this Republic but when founding the next republic none of these people can be allowed to participate. They must be excluded.

You mean people like Scott Brown, who is a Republican Senator from Massachusetts and a professor at Harvard? Or Newt Gingrich who taught history and geography at the University of West Georgia?

The only think that can "save" this country is far more education instead of less.

 

[Abegweit]

uh huh, if you some how drug those lessons out of basic lessons on math, science, literature, and history (not analysis just blunt a did B in year C) that sounds like a personal problem to me.

These "lessons" don't teach anything. History is an endless story of the great achievements of the state. Literature is much the same. As for the rest, no one remembers anything out of public school that they don't use in their every day lives. Even the illiterate understand money. They learn the math they need without going to school.

I can name highlights of my public school career; 8th grade math, 10th grade logic, 11th grade music, 12th grade chemistry. But 12 years of prison scarcely makes up for this.

I live among some Mennonites. They send their children to school half days for eight years. The other half of the time, they are expected to work. Sounds like a fine arrangement to me. Unsurprisingly their kids are invariably polite and well-behaved; this in sharp contrast to the spoiled brats in public school. The school and the teachers are chosen by parents instead of bureaucrats. Undoubtedly has a lot to do with it as well.

 

[Abegweit]

You mean people like Scott Brown, who is a Republican Senator from Massachusetts and a professor at Harvard? Or Newt Gingrich who taught history and geography at the University of West Georgia?

The token Republicans don't change the point, especially if the best you can come up with is those two. They are state-worshippers just like the Democrats. The whole left-right paradigm is nonsense anyway. Both sides use the state to advance their goals, and there's not much difference between them anyway.

The only think that can "save" this country is far more education instead of less.

The first step to getting more education is get it out of the grubby thieving hands of the state and the teachers' unions.

 

[Traitorfish]

I'd say that it's even more real than he imagines, that it doesn't simply represent the conflict of already-existing individuals, but something that conditions our social environment and thus our individual being at a very fundamental level. It's one of these tricky iceberg-like things, that only makes it true expanse known just as it becomes impossible to avoid, as I suspect at least most of us will learn within our lifetimes.

(Edit: I'd also add that it's quite possible that a lot of his bitterness expresses a dissatisfaction with his current job- most white collar jobs are really nothing more than factory work with neckties and carpeting- but isn't able to articulate that dissatisfaction without feeling that he is being "ungrateful" for not being satisfied with having ended up relatively successful given his starting place. I think that one of the themes of the era which were are currently falling arse-over-head into will be the realisation, by much of the so-called "middle class" that their lives are just as drudgerous and oppressive as their grandparents, and without even the comfort of stability offered by the various "Post-war consensuses", iron rice bowls", and what have you.)

I think it just a matter of common sense for a man to act like a man rather than a dog.

Funny, that's why I'm an anti-capitalist.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Working class grandparents , working class parents , been working pretty hard for 20 years with the aim of joining the idle rich .

 

[Yeekim]

Myself i am middle class too

Personally i never had to work for a living.

Since when did "never had to work for a living" come to mean "middle class"?

 

[Kyriakos]

Since when did "never had to work for a living" come to mean "middle class"?

Hm, well middle class has many levels, but i do not really see how you would call it otherwise. I am not part of the capitalist circle at any rate, and my income is barely able to sustain me, while i have few expenses now.