Trajan12
Deity
Could be that everyone is so rasist against everyone that no one comes there.
How to deal with decline in the rust belt?
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Ok sorry for the digression but I'm curious: Is it that the art is primarily black art and people there are rasist against blacks, or is it that the art is primarily white art and everyone is rasist against whites, or something else????
Well, I'm being very broad, but I'd say that the art is mostly *white* (to the extent that art can be assigned a race) , and that the city has strong racial tensions that cut both ways. Both the white and the black populations resent each other, and it blew up in a full scale riot not *that* long ago.
2001 Riot = an excuse to steal TVs and trash Audis.
I don't know a whole lot about the specifics of the event...I'm not native to that part of the state. I *do* know that Cincinnati had a reputation of not exactly being inclusive (racially, or in regards to Religion or Sexual Preference) for a long time. P&G is likely to move because of it.
I lived there at the time. I remember a guy calling 700 (biggest AM station in Cincinnati) saying white people needed to arm themselves and form gangs to protect property and other white people. He followed it up with something along the lines of "in Tennessee we would never let them n... those people intimidate us"
Cincinnati was an intresting look into race relations. It's probably why Obama's 'Speach on Race" resounded so well with me.
Oerdin
Deity
Sims2789
Fool me once...
We should mostly let the market take care of it. They will continue to move to the South and Southwest, and the Rust Belt will simply have less people.
If you're worried about the electoral college, remember that Virginia and North Carolina are competitive now.
If you're worried about the electoral college, remember that Virginia and North Carolina are competitive now.
Alpine Trooper
AllCiv
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about Oerdin, the 80s and early 90s were a blessing in the rust belt. The 70s and 60s were even better, the age of the Hamtramck highflyers.
The auto industry suffers greatly from unfair competition with Asia and American Unions have sold out their workers to two tier wage systems to try and compensate.
If you want to deal with the decline in the rust belt stop buying cars made in countries where we can't sell our cars. The very industries which built the United States and Canada are ignored by people like you who think engineering means blue collar.
We have some of the finest engineering schools in the world and we produce some of the finest and highest quality products. These apparent blue collar workers are educated and politically informed. Buying foreign made products is destroying the economy in these areas, not ignorance on behalf of unionized workers who deserve every last penny they make.
For the record, my hometown has the highest unemployment rate in Canada and our Unions have held out against all odds. The buildings you live in, the cars you drive, you owe to people from the rust belt: the iron workers, autoworkers, and engineers who give back to their communities 100% and make sure the vehicles you drive and buildings you live in don't crash and collapse on your families. Then you buy a KIA.
The auto industry suffers greatly from unfair competition with Asia and American Unions have sold out their workers to two tier wage systems to try and compensate.
If you want to deal with the decline in the rust belt stop buying cars made in countries where we can't sell our cars. The very industries which built the United States and Canada are ignored by people like you who think engineering means blue collar.
We have some of the finest engineering schools in the world and we produce some of the finest and highest quality products. These apparent blue collar workers are educated and politically informed. Buying foreign made products is destroying the economy in these areas, not ignorance on behalf of unionized workers who deserve every last penny they make.
For the record, my hometown has the highest unemployment rate in Canada and our Unions have held out against all odds. The buildings you live in, the cars you drive, you owe to people from the rust belt: the iron workers, autoworkers, and engineers who give back to their communities 100% and make sure the vehicles you drive and buildings you live in don't crash and collapse on your families. Then you buy a KIA.
Oerdin
Deity
How old are you, Alpine?
Alpine Trooper
AllCiv
I turned 22 on Monday.
Oerdin
Deity
I can tell. 
Alpine Trooper
AllCiv
I can tell.
You must be 50 then and living in an alternate universe if you think the rust belt has been on the decline for 30 years.
We don't care about this just because of the electoral college. These are millions of people's lives here.
JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
Umm...
It's been declining since the 1980s. That's when manufacturing jobs started leaving the US. And that's a well established fact
The rust belt should get into the business of manufacturing bootstraps.
mangxema
I
I thought this was funny: "Today, downtown is positively sleepy and even somewhat derelict." Get some rest, downtown!
Antilogic's family comes from Youngstown, if I recall. I also seem to remember most of them jumping ship.
That argument doesn't hold up anymore. Kia is building a plant in Georgia. Toyota has a plant in Alabama, among others. Honda has several plants in Ohio, among others. It doesn't matter who owns the plant; American workers are still getting paid.
Antilogic's family comes from Youngstown, if I recall. I also seem to remember most of them jumping ship.
Alpine Trooper said:
That argument doesn't hold up anymore. Kia is building a plant in Georgia. Toyota has a plant in Alabama, among others. Honda has several plants in Ohio, among others. It doesn't matter who owns the plant; American workers are still getting paid.
BasketCase
Username sez it all
The OP already had the solution hidden in it:
At the most very basic level: people must eat to survive. If the farmland dries up and turns into desert, the people must move, and that's the end of it.
To bring prosperity to an area, you must bring jobs to it.
People have to go where the jobs are.
At the most very basic level: people must eat to survive. If the farmland dries up and turns into desert, the people must move, and that's the end of it.
To bring prosperity to an area, you must bring jobs to it.
I've been up late trying to fix the rust belt.
Yeah, that isn't exactly insightful or anything. The question is HOW
Sims2789
Fool me once...
I know; I was anticipating and pre-rebutting liberal electoral college arguments.
Plus, their lives will be better in economically viable areas than they'll be in a futuristic, heavily subsidized, rustier Rust Belt.
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