How would you change history?

[Cheezy the Wiz]

That, of course, would work into the Mongols advantage, with their main strategy of overrunning everyone on giant horses.

Actually Europeans had largely adopted the Andalusian steed, which was the largest an strongest war horse in the world at the time. Mongols and other steppe tribesmen usually rode hobby horses and ponies.

 

[Quackers]

Liberalism and Conservatism share the belief in capitalism and that racism is bad. And that democracy is good. So are liberals and conservatives derived from the same place? No. Your argument is ridiculous! Of course someone wrote a Fascist Manifesto! It's called Mein Kampf! None of the things you mentioned are in the Communist Manifesto, anyway. Have you even read the Communist Manifesto? Once again, you haven't answered that fascism is a capitalistic belief. And capitalism is fundamentally opposed to communism. As a capitalistic belief, fascism is fundamentally and irreversibly opposed and separate from communism.

Well actually Liberalism has drunk from the wicked chalice that is identity politics - yet since than they haven't gotten to the logical continuation of this process that White folks will want all the benefits, albeit minor, of what minorities enjoy things will get very ugly. Getting minority's into higher education and jobs on the basis of race is frankly illiberal - yet enlightened Libs do not see this contradiction. On the other hand Conservatives seek to have a society which is colour-blind it may be a bit of a utopia but better than tribal-race based blocs of voters which leads to real violent racism. So their are real differances liberals justify discrimination as its against the majority whilst Cons prefer real equality.

Mein Kampf is all about Hitler's experiance in Vienne, his evolving mind concerning Jews, The Great War, German history, international finance and his mind on Germany current events. It is not a "10 steps to Fascism" like Marx's book was.

Fascism is a capitalist belief? What? The Nazi's only allowed a certain amount of profit from its corporations the Government took the rest and used it too fund its large welfare state..

The idea of Communism Vs Fascism is quite silly they're differant sides of the same coin. Why are you trying to defend Communism anyway? When your going to a concentration camp you don't care whether your in a Communist or Fascist state.

 

[Phrossack]

Quite. It still isn't right next door to Europe.

I was referring to how the Mongols failed in Vietnam, Burma, etc., not Hungary.

That's such a . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . reason for explaining why the terrifying Mongols didn't conquer all Europe blah blah blah. If they were able to do so, and if they would derive advantage from it, they'd go back after the death of Ögedei, when Güyük was elected and they could go back to normal rape pillage murder slaughter their way across everything in their path usw. The election did not deprive them of their armies; their resources were not greatly depleted after the succession. Why did they fail to renew their invasion of Europe if it was within their abilities?

And that's such a . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . answer. The Mongols obviously had bigger fish to fry than impoverished Europe. They'd punished Hungary for harboring the Kipchaks, and prevented Polish intervention, aaand the ME, China, et al were jucier, richer targets. Blah blah blah...

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Well actually Liberalism has drunk from the wicked chalice that is identity politics - yet since than they haven't gotten to the logical continuation of this process that White folks will want all the benefits, albeit minor, of what minorities enjoy things will get very ugly. Getting minority's into higher education and jobs on the basis of race is frankly illiberal - yet enlightened Libs do not see this contradiction. On the other hand Conservatives seek to have a society which is colour-blind it may be a bit of a utopia but better than tribal-race based blocs of voters which leads to real violent racism. So their are real differances liberals justify discrimination as its against the majority whilst Cons prefer real equality.

Until there is absolute equality, affirmative action is necessary.

Mein Kampf is all about Hitler's experiance in Vienne, his evolving mind concerning Jews, The Great War, German history, international finance and his mind on Germany current events. It is not a "10 steps to Fascism" like Marx's book was.

Where is the 10 steps to fascism is either the Das Kapital or Communist Manifesto? You don't seem to have read either one.

Fascism is a capitalist belief? What? The Nazi's only allowed a certain amount of profit from its corporations the Government took the rest and used it too fund its large welfare state..

By the very existence of corporations, it's a capitalistic belief. If it was socialistic or communistic, there would be no corporations. Period. You don't seem to know what capitalism is.

The idea of Communism Vs Fascism is quite silly they're differant sides of the same coin. Why are you trying to defend Communism anyway? When your going to a concentration camp you don't care whether your in a Communist or Fascist state.

Communism and fascism are fundamentally opposed to one another. Period. Why am I trying to defend communism? Maybe it's because I am a communist. Also, show me where there were concentration camps in a communist country. Then, if you find some, show me where in the Communist Manifesto it says concentration camps are good.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Until there is absolute equality, affirmative action is necessary.

How does placing poor Whites at a disadvantage make up for wrongs committed against Blacks?

Where is the 10 steps to fascism is either the Das Kapital or Communist Manifesto? You don't seem to have read either one.

In addition, he seems to have no concept of what fascism is.

By the very existence of corporations, it's a capitalistic belief. If it was socialistic or communistic, there would be no corporations. Period. You don't seem to know what capitalism is.

In its purest form, fascism is a reactionary position, against both socialism and liberalism. But that has not stopped fascist states from endorsing private, corporate monopolies. In Nazi Germany, for example, not only was slave labor used, but it was illegal to quit your job!

Communism and fascism are fundamentally opposed to one another. Period. Why am I trying to defend communism? Maybe it's because I am a communist. Also, show me where there were concentration camps in a communist country. Then, if you find some, show me where in the Communist Manifesto it says concentration camps are good.

Ask him where concentration camps come from.

 

[Dachs]

I was referring to how the Mongols failed in Vietnam, Burma, etc., not Hungary.

So it's not relevant?

And that's such a . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . answer. The Mongols obviously had bigger fish to fry than impoverished Europe. They'd punished Hungary for harboring the Kipchaks, and prevented Polish intervention, aaand the ME, China, et al were jucier, richer targets. Blah blah blah...

If they had bigger fish to fry, why would they invest decades of effort into subduing Hungary, Poland, and other parts of Europe?

 

[Huayna Capac357]

How does placing poor Whites at a disadvantage make up for wrongs committed against Blacks?

That is a problem with the present system, not something inherently wrong with affirmative action.

 

[Phrossack]

So it's not relevant?

No, it is, you mentioned Vietnam earlier.

If they had bigger fish to fry, why would they invest decades of effort into subduing Hungary, Poland, and other parts of Europe?

The Hungary-Poland campaign was wrapped up in a month. The Russian campaigns were more punishment for harboring Kipchaks than attempts to gain power and wealth.

 

[LightSpectra]

Until there is absolute equality, affirmative action is necessary.

The problem is that affirmative actions only makes the inequality problem worse. What do you think is going to curb racism more? Slow equalization through economic development, or telling somebody that they didn't get a job because a less qualified person deserved it on the basis of their gender/skin color/religion?

 

[Dachs]

No, it is, you mentioned Vietnam earlier.

For a different reason.

The Hungary-Poland campaign was wrapped up in a month.

No, it wasn't, and I've said the same damn thing several times. Irregular and regular resistance continued after the Battle of Mohi, with no insignificant success. The Mongols were unable to master the Hungarian fortifications or some of the areas with worse terrain, like the Lake Balaton area, especially Székesfehérvár. Their detachments continued to lose engagements with the king's retainers and with irregular, haiduk-style resistance.

The Russian campaigns were more punishment for harboring Kipchaks than attempts to gain power and wealth.

I'm not talking about that, I'm trying to refute any claim that the Mongols could have gone and conquered Europe.

 

[Japanrocks12]

Assist Charlotte Corday's escape from France quietly shortly after murdering Marat and then bone her.

 

[Sharwood]

So it's not relevant?

If they had bigger fish to fry, why would they invest decades of effort into subduing Hungary, Poland, and other parts of Europe?

Mongols come from a very arid region. They're not used to fish at all, and thought they'd start with some smaller ones.

I get out of hospital after about four months, and a thread I started is at the top of the History Forum. Good to see.

As for changing history, as I'm reading Orson Scott Card's Empire currently, the idea of some sort of modern American Civil War appeals to me, if only because it would amuse me to see that crazy Russian professor actually proven correct about something.

 

[Masada]

I get out of hospital after about four months, and a thread I started is at the top of the History Forum. Good to see.

They fixed your crabs?

 

[Sharwood]

They fixed your crabs?

Of course not. They merely took several of them for testing.

 

[Masada]

Of course not. They merely took several of them for testing.

Forest crabs. Evil bastards.

 

[West 36]

I'd ensure Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane were put on Sgt Pepper's.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

Personally there would be four things I would do:

1) ensure the Irish were never introduced to alcaholism,
2) ensure Brian Boru set up a secure succession before Clontarf,
(as I would like to know how we would rule the world, probably like every other worl empire, badly)
3) give the Haudenosaunee a tecnological base equivalent to reneissance Europe in the 1450s if I could, and
4) kill deValera at birth, he was the worst thing ever to happen to this country I tell you.

 

[Lord Baal]

Funnily enough, I was reading an article just the other day about primitive breweries dating back at least 8,000 years being discovered in Ireland. So it seems that you may have invented alcoholism, not been introduced to it.

I hate to be cliched, but killing Hitler seems like a good bet. I'd probably make France invade the Rhineland in 1936, discrediting Hitler's leadership and damaging the rearmament campaign. Failing that, the Munich Pact was terrible, and deserved sinking.

As for non-Hitler changes, Australia fighting a war of independence against Britain in the 1800s, leading to a neo-Irish state would be interesting. I don't think I'd actually want such a thing to happen, but I'd like to stand by and watch, with the ability to press the reset button when I was done.

 

[Plotinus]

I hate to be cliched, but killing Hitler seems like a good bet.

Sorry, can't resist it.

 

[Lord Baal]

Sorry, can't resist it.

Already in the H&J forums, my good man.