Huge Obama Blunder, Possibly Fatal

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A debate in North Carolina between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, proposed for April 27, is hanging in the balance.

Obama, the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, declined on Friday to commit to debating in the state before the May 6 primary elections. In a telephone interview with The Charlotte Observer, he cited scheduling difficulties and suggested voters might not get much out of a debate anyway.

The two candidates have appeared in 20 debates, with another set for Wednesday in Pennsylvania.

"I will tell you, after the 21st debate -- all of which have been nationally televised, and so North Carolinians have had ample opportunity to watch these debates -- I don't know that they are ending up being more informative than the kinds of town hall meetings that we've scheduled," Obama said.

Obama's comments came during an interview about his economic plan, in which he supports tax cuts for the middle class, changes to trade agreements and relief for homeowners facing foreclosure.

He declined to criticize the U.S. State Department for announcing a week ago that it was renewing its security contract with North Carolina-based Blackwater USA. He called for "careful oversight" of such contractors in Iraq. The company has drawn increased scrutiny since a September incident in Baghdad in which 17 Iraqis were killed.

Obama made clear that both scheduling and strategy will determine his participation.

"I am always open to debates," he said, "but I think that obviously we've got to structure our campaign so that we're reaching as many voters as possible."

He had previously agreed to a North Carolina debate April 19. Clinton did not agree. The Pennsylvania primary is three days later.

Clinton's North Carolina director Ace Smith said, "It looks like their intention is to stop debating."

There's little incentive for Obama to commit now, said Ferrel Guillory, founder of the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill's Program on Public Life. If Obama wins Pennsylvania, where Clinton is favored, then pressure would mount for her to drop out, he said.

"It may be uncomfortable for the folks in Raleigh who are setting it up, and for CBS," Guillory said. "But there's still time to let the process play out a few more days."

He also said the number of debates so far means neither candidate can be accused of ducking.

"I don't think the party folks should try to steamroll candidates into debating just for them to have the fun of having a debate," Guillory said.

In an attempt to attract undecided voters, Obama's campaign released an economic plan Friday. Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius appeared in Raleigh to tout the plan, and the campaign says it's distributing 10,000 copies in book form.

Much of the 50-page plan is identical to a national economic plan he released two months ago. Among the proposals is a $10 billion fund to help homeowners facing foreclosure, a tax cut of $500 per worker or $1,000 per working family and a mortgage tax credit for homeowners who don't itemize their returns.

In the interview, Obama said it's designed to help both urban and rural areas.

"One of the central premises of this campaign is that we can't have uneven economic growth," he said. "If it's not good for Main Street, it's not going to be good for Wall Street."

Another part of the plan focuses on strengthening labor unions -- a risk given that North Carolina is among the least unionized states. It also calls for a "crack down on China."

"There are a host of areas where China has not abided by the rules of the road that should govern our trade," Obama said.

Some parts of the plan would hurt North Carolina, said Joe Coletti of the conservative John Locke Foundation. A $10 billion relief fund for states and localities hit worst by the housing crisis would probably go elsewhere, he said. Obama's plan doesn't specify how the money would be divided up.

John Quinterno of the liberal N.C. Budget & Tax Center applauded the plan for focusing on problems that are prevalent among N.C. workers. "It ultimately will depend on the actual details and a commitment to actually do something should he win," Quinterno said.

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So Obama now won't even fully commit to a debate. I think a lot of people in small town middle America are going to be pretty upset that he won't make a full committment to this debate, especially when he seemed to have plenty of time to go see the rich liberals out in San Fran country. So, what do you guys think? Does this spell the death of his campaign?
 
I am not an Obama supporter, but I agree, what would a TWENTY-SECOND debate accomplish? Their twenty-first debate is still to come. Spinning this into some sort of weakness on the part of Obama is a real stretch, and as I said, I am not even a supporter.
 
This is obvously good news for the McCain/Clinton ticket going forward. They will be awesome on stage together at the convention in Minneapolis.
 
So Obama now won't even fully commit to a debate. I think a lot of people in small town middle America are going to be pretty upset that he won't make a full committment to this debate, especially when he seemed to have plenty of time to go see the rich liberals out in San Fran country. So, what do you guys think? Does this spell the death of his campaign?

Is this supposed to be some ironic attempt at humor or is that actually a real statement you're making? For your sake and for ours, I hope its humor. Not that it works at all either way.

They've had 20 of them already. Anyone curious about what they would have said can youtube the entirety of the previous ones. They're not gonna say anything different.
 
Is this supposed to be some ironic attempt at humor or is that actually a real statement you're making? For your sake and for ours, I hope its humor. Not that it works at all either way.

They've had 20 of them already. Anyone curious about what they would have said can youtube the entirety of the previous ones. They're not gonna say anything different.
Exactly:goodjob:
 
Is this supposed to be some ironic attempt at humor or is that actually a real statement you're making? For your sake and for ours, I hope its humor. Not that it works at all either way.

They've had 20 of them already. Anyone curious about what they would have said can youtube the entirety of the previous ones. They're not gonna say anything different.

I agree that his decision to not debate in NC shouldn't affect his chances, but it probably will... Rationally, makes perfect sense, but politically, it was probably a poor decision. Exactly how much it will affect him, I don't know. For the sake of rationality, I hope not much.

I think they should have probably set out right from the start an agreed number of debates (say, 15 or 20 or something), rather than going along with the assumption that they'd debate in ever state. The whole structure of this primary/caucus thing is a bit silly to me...
 
The whole structure of this primary/caucus thing is a bit silly to me...

You're not the only one. Mrs Dubai is English, and just cannot fathom the whole tortuous process. Seeing it through her eyes, I am finding it questionable as well. American politics has reached the point of indefensible absurdity, and only Americans can't see that, blinded as they are by complacency and jingoism.
 
Satire is a form of flattery, or so they say. Somehow, I don't think it's the case here... :mischief:
 
The disagreement is because of the timing of the debate. Hillary proposed a different date than he previously agreed to. Hillary did this too.

Not Fatal, and this is not a normal quality thread from fifty
 
Again, this is horrible. :mischief:

Why is it that every thread brought up on the coming Election comes across as hollow? They all seem to lack content...

Lets add some..

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Bizarre, but funny :lol:
 
I am not an Obama supporter, but I agree, what would a TWENTY-SECOND debate accomplish? Their twenty-first debate is still to come. Spinning this into some sort of weakness on the part of Obama is a real stretch, and as I said, I am not even a supporter.

Doesn't happen a lot, but :agree:
 
Oh no, its the critical 22nd debate window. Or 35th. Or 67th. Or 283rd debate.

In 2029, when Obama refuses to agree to his 645th debate against Hillary Clinton, informed observers will explain how this means that he's finally conceding the 2008 Democratic nomination.
 
Not Fatal, and this is not a normal quality thread from fifty

/shrug :rolleyes: A lot of people in middle America are going to be offended that he took the time to go see the rich libs in SF and he doesn't even care about actually debating and dealing with normal people. It sounds to me like he's an elitist.
 
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