Hypothetical Laser Fence

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Immigration to USA

Nation of origin Numbers of immigrants 1607-1958
Germany 6,798,313
Italy 5,017,625
Great Britain 4,642,096
Ireland 4,693,009

This is over the space of 400 years. Whilst all Mexico immigration has occured over the past 4-5 decades. In 2006 their were 12-20 million illegal Mexican immigrants in the US more than Germany and Italy the highest previously ever sent over the ocean. How can US assimilate so many people of varying ethnicities (*it is generally accepted it is harder to accept those kinds of immigrants) in a shorter time than those Germans and Italians over hundreds of years bearing in mind that these mexican immigrants are concentrated in the South West. US will just become like Mexico over time.

Math fail alert

There are 12 million people living in the united states born in mexico. Only 5 million of which are illegal.

Our illegal aliens come from every where.

* By who the U.K. society for sociological data that has been pulled out of your rear? You have never set foot in the U.S. have you?
 
:lol:

American economy would sink faster than Russia's economy after the fall of the Soviet Union.
 
Anyway... I wouldn't be opposed to giving Mexico a lot more aid to improve the quality of life so that eventually Mexicans wouldn't need to come here. The laser wall thing I guess is kinda of a litmus test on the illegal immigration issue more then anything. I simply do not think a nation should be without controllable borders. Also, the unofficial Mexican wage slave class really bothers me. It is simply wrong in my book. Leftist's in this country seem to not address this. People on the right usually have a core of close the border people publicly squawking so that nobody notices that the majority of the elected right won't do anything to stem the illegal tide because of economic repercussions.

However, maybe it would be simply better to ignore the moral problem in country and instead focus on building the Mexicans up, but that wouldn't work, the Mexican economy isn't tiny, it has a GDP of $1 trillion. A couple billion dollars here and there is a drop in the bucket.

On the other hand, a fence would more or less severely damage the Mexican economy, which would be an even greater moral hazard.

:sigh:
 
Math fail alert

There are 12 million people living in the united states born in mexico. Only 5 million of which are illegal.

Our illegal aliens come from every where.

* By how the U.K. society for sociological data that has been pulled out of your rear? You have never set foot in the U.S. have you?

Ok but look at that stupid law where it says if your born in USA you get citizenship they are Mexican too and that alone makes the numbers add up for the huge amount of Mexicans living in the USA. It is still a huge amount of people to be intergrated in such a short amount of time and I'm just wondering if USA can do it. I fear a half-Mexican USA California, Arizona, New Mexico maybe even parts of Texas. Remember USA took that land in a war of agression and Mexico doesn't forget. An Anglo-Saxon protestant republic against a Latin, Catholic dictatorship - you don't go around importing millions of people with huge historical greivances against you without hard trials. You have this greivance perputrated by La Raza "The Race" - that is the bronze race, of couse, which Capital, Aztlan, was actually in oregorn :lol:. It hardly makes for a cohesive society - plus the death of the melting pot and US multiculturalism (well maybe just in California) their is a huge spanish speaking media which denies intergration and creates insular conditions for Mexicans to remain Mexican.

I write so much because I like USA cuz it is similiar to the UK and are other children like Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

"By how the UK society for socological data that has been pulled out of your rear"

What I got these stats from a book written by a Yankie which is exceptionally well sourced and referenced. I have been to USA twice incidentally so their! :p
 
Why do you hate Mexicans?
 
I don't hate Mexicans. Thats just silly! I just don't want parts of the informal British Empire to be Spanish!
 
... US will just become like Mexico over time.

I once heard a 'bon mot' that, you can tell when you've crossed over the border from the U.S. into Mexico because the billboards change from Spanish to English. Then I traveled down to Rosarito Beach in the Baja and found that it's true. :eek:
 
You're joking about this "British Empire" thing, right?
 
Patrolling the border via drinking beer in a lawnchair gives Minutemen something to do on vacation. I wouldn't want to take that away from them.
 
I don't hate Mexicans. Thats just silly! I just don't want parts of the informal British Empire to be Spanish!

Uh, Gibraltar?
 
Nope Gibralter is overwhelmingly British in character. Practically no one speaks Spanish their and in a recent referundum they stayed in UK rather than Spain.

:goodjob: Gibraltians!
 
*Ok but look at that stupid law where it says if your born in USA you get citizenship they are Mexican too and that alone makes the numbers add up for the huge amount of Mexicans living in the USA.

It is still a huge amount of people to be intergrated in such a short amount of time and I'm just wondering if USA can do it. I fear a half-Mexican USA California, Arizona, New Mexico maybe even parts of Texas. Remember USA took that land in a war of agression and Mexico doesn't forget. An Anglo-Saxon protestant republic against a Latin, Catholic dictatorship - you don't go around importing millions of people with huge historical greivances against you without hard trials. You have this greivance perputrated by La Raza "The Race" - that is the bronze race, of couse, which Capital, Aztlan, was actually in oregorn :lol:. It hardly makes for a cohesive society - plus the death of the melting pot and US multiculturalism (well maybe just in California) their is a huge spanish speaking media which denies intergration and creates **insular conditions for Mexicans to remain Mexican.


I write so much because I like USA cuz it is similiar to the UK and are other children like Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

"By how the UK society for socological data that has been pulled out of your rear"

***What I got these stats from a book written by a Yankie which is exceptionally well sourced and referenced. I have been to USA twice incidentally so their! :p

* I would appreciate it if you did not call my constitution stupid and millions of my countrymen "not really American because your parents are not from America"


** Everything above this is just a bunch of bull no one actually believes. The aztlan thing is some sort of creation myth by a group of a few late 60s college burnouts that deserve no more respect than the KKK.

Ah yes, secretly it is all plan to take over the United States :lol: I am half white and half mexican, take it from me. The difference between mexicans and white folks are the music they play at parties and the food they eat at them. That's about it.


Now as far as "the two spanish television channels on cable plans with over 60 channels makes them stay mexican!" argument - over 96% of first generation Latinos speak English when speaking to their Latin friends.

Yes 80% of them also speak spanish, but nearly all prefer English.

Here is how it almost always happens to children of all immigrants in the U.S., legal and illegal - Your parents speak to you in their language and teach you English as well, by kindergarten you prefer your language though. By 1st grade you only speak to your parents in English, even when they speak in their language, because English is "cooler".

Sure by high school they learn to be more respectful and respond back in the language they are spoken to in, but they prefer English.

Also look at second generation Latin Americans (As in Grandparents were immigrants from Latin America) only 5% even speak Spanish.

So don't bring any of that "they will nevaaar be americannsss" bull here. we can start a statistical battle on this if you want, but I assure you, you will lose.


*** Sauce on book and author, as well as original source for statistics stated? You can look in the back for a reference.

So I am guessing you have been to suburban parts of California where a third of the residents are home owning, college educated, middle class mexicans who are secretly planning a revolution for his holiness the Pope then? If you had actually been here and paid attention you would know that everyone born here actually loves living here regardless of their ethnicity.
 
Ah yes, secretly it is all plan to take over the United States I am half white and half mexican, take it from me.

Your devilish plans have been unveiled!
 
Aztlan is an idea which never caught on.

Why would illegal Mexican immigrants, who have paid thousands of dollars to coyotes so they can be smuggled into the U.S., want to have portions of the U.S. returned to Mexico?
 
Okay, so basically what your describing is a technology that would be impenetrable to others trying to cross through (and if it's effective then it is clearly able to stop cars etc. from getting through as well), and that does so without harming those attempting to cross like some type of high powered cutting laser.
Sounds like you are going to erect a thousand mile long forcefield? Well, if we had the technology to do that at a reasonable cost then I vote we forget silly applications like immigration and make the entire world bow to their new American overlords.
 
The fact that people are trying to put forward serious policy rulings based on the situation in the OP is most hilarious.
 
TBH i can't sum it up very well but Elena Poniatowski can:

Mexico is recovering the territories yielded to the United States by means of migratory tactics. The common people - the poor, the dirty, the lice-ridden, the cockroaches are advancing on the United States, a country that needs to speak Spanish because it has 33.5 million Hispanics who are imposig their clture.

Sounds like she and Mexican nationalists revelling in the reconquest of the US southwest.
 
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