I Can Do Better (somewhat Open SG - Read on)

Preturn – Get America’s engineering for a total of 2830g. 1410g and 71gpt and WM. This gets us a lux, 19gpt some cash and chivalry from England. I chose her because she is the smallest. I then get Theology + 10g from Sumeria. See that education is out there so I trade engineering to England for Ed +Dyes +19gpt +4g. Then sell Eng to Arabia for 3gpt and 6g and, oh yeah, Chivalry. Start a scientist on PP. Abe is the only one up on us with astro and Music. Germany and Babylon are behind as is Alex since we does not know the other continent as yet. Abe is coming though. We have all we need until Cavs. Now lets take care of Alex. Rush a pike and send troops to the front. 7 knights are queued up. Our trouble is on the west side. We will survive this IT but it looks dicey on the next and may have to let Deva get captured. Slide an Eboracum elite warrior out because it does not require that much MP. Send him to MP another town. The same goes for some of the southern towns. +58gpt.

IT – We lose a reg spear in Rut-something.

[1] 360AD –Rutipia gets reinforced with a pike after killing the sword overlooking from a mountain. Check happiness and move MP’s around towards the front. Rush a pike and cross my fingers they won’t attack Deva with the 4 units converging. I’m thinking they will turn because I am now a threat to Sparta. However I would trade Deva for Sparta.
IT – We lose Deva and 2 gallics heading to Sparta, one from a knight.
[2] 370 – The Sparta, actually changed my mind, the Gallic 6 divert towards Deva. Abe can trade with us and gets Iron and furs for 340g and 50gpt. Rush some knights and stuff.
IT – Win 3 underdog battles going elite on 2. Even one of the now Deva 6 was promoed.
[3] 380 – Take down a couple units but primarily rush some knights and swap out MP. Getting units to the front. Right now the battle rages near Deva. I wish the resistance would fade in FP. Run the Deva 6 towards deva nd the hurt rlite goes to FP to heal and quell resistance.
IT – Do well on defense again! Knights build.
[4] 390 – Did I metion England has banking but I can’t swing a 2-fer for invention. The Deva 5 take down 4 units in the jungle near Deva. One of them will die next turn but I decided to leave him open to take down a hurt knight. We get our first knight kill.
IT – Entremont completes its rax because we have a reg knight on the field. the Deva Gallic I left open does die. I also have 2 gallics on a mountain overooking Deva and we got a kill there too, on a knight.
[5] 400 - Right now in the Deva area Greece has 2 knights, 2 SW and 2 MI’s. We have 7 gallics, 2 knights and 2 MI’s some slightly injured.
IT – We retreat a knight trying to attack across a river at us. Looks a little like a stand off.
[6] 410 - I had a built a temple in Richborough to open up some tiles I am now deforesting to free up tiles in the core. All our workers were out improving terrain in the boonies for 1 spt towns. Just make sure those can grow and that is it. If the core can be improved for MM and increased spt take the 2-3 turns travel time. FP flip chance just dropped to 2.6% and resistance is over. Whew, maybe the worrying is over. Rush walls in FP and hope the gang in healed this IT. There is a 3-fer trade available now but we don’t have enough to swing it. Banks, Invention and Astro are all held be separate AI that don’t have the other. We have 95g and +115gpt. Shoot, I just misclicked a knight to possible doom.
IT – the doomed knight takes out a knight, a sword and nearly an MI after going elite. Lots of troop movement from the Greeks. Rushed walls build in FP.
[7] 420 – With catapult help we bomb and flawlessly kill 3. A gallic takes out a knight coming around the eastern flank. Kill 2 units from the mountain and will have to retreat to heal. They now have 3 MI’s a sword and an archer near Deva.
IT – Lose the Rutipai mountain again even though we were favored 65-35. Forces start shifting towards Rutipai. England has invention now and we got some cash.
[8] 430 – Kill a hoplite coming around the east flank. Bomb and kill an archer and get a leader that once again makes FP an FP. Whew, big round of trading.
Sumeria – Astro for 105gpt and 125g
England – Banks for 200g, Astro, our only silk and 8 gpt
Sumeria – 170g, 11gpt for banks
America – Navigation for Banks,WM,73gpt and 165g
England – Invention, WM, 4gpt and 222g for Nav
Sumeria – Wines for WM 95g and 3gpt
Abu gets banks for Incense,WM and 19g
Sumeria gets Invention for WM,3gpt and 96g
America gives 25g for WM.
Germany gets Theo for WM and 40g
That’s about 60gpt for Astro, banks, nav and invention plus we get an extra lux and a full WM.
Abe is up Music and Guns. Every one else is broke and down to us, including Alex.
IT – We roll 5 knights off the core and the FP is humming again. 186g, +58gpt. It went up 16gpt. Greek advance right past FP thru the center heading for the desert.
[9] 440 – No battles at all. Healing, waiting.
IT – The AI start wonder builds. A stack of 5 units pile next to FP. We kill a knight in Tolusa. Tolusa needs a mine on that oasis too.
[10] I killed all but 2 knight that are injured on a mountain near Deva. I sent in a contingent of 4 knights, a gallic and a pike to clear them out and take the mountain. Once taken there are more knights and gallics that can join them on the mountain to hopefully liberate Deva.

I’m hoping Alex is gassed and will crumble now. I have most of the workers clearing trees and finishing the core but if Alex looks to be cracking get them up there to fix the FP. I might even peel a couple workers from 1spt sites to merge in.

Unfortunately the Bad Apple is up again. I got, I think 8 techs so that front looks good. This new mapstat I have does wonders.
 
Great truns! Your a trading warmonger, eh? ;)

I see that we have 3 settlers in the box, maybe we could use them for some agressive settling, or are we saving them for raze and replace?

Unfortunately the Bad Apple is up again.
We could let ForTheEmpire bad-apple us, since he volunteered and microbe is still away for some days.
 
FTE is fine withme, as long as he continues the tenuous balance. The idea is two steps forward, one and a half back. :)

Are you up for it, FTE?
 
Outstanding turns there barbslinger! For the second time in a row I am slotted in behind the Bad Apple. OK, new rule since Loco is AWOL, the bad apple has 6 hours to pick up and play the sav or he is skipped. In which case I am up now! J/K, would be nice though.
 
I want to reiterate the importance using mapstat had to enable those trades. My game has improved due to it. Looking at before I start 'every' turn gives me the same edge the AI has. I used to look at the diplo every 2 or 3 turns. But looking every turn allows you to get a mental picture of how an AI's cash flow is working too. And you don't miss trade opportunities.
Another thing I have learned to do is that if I know I am the first to research a tech but another AI may research on the same turn and I want to broker the tech you need to go BIG PICTURE as soon as the tech comes in and get to the diplo screen to broker. I have in personal games and testing lost the broker opportunity because the AI trades his during my production phase of the IT. This wasn't the case in this game, I was middle man man all the way, but for future reference it pays off. It sucks when you get the tech, production runs and then you go F4 just to see that the tech you just got if woth peanuts and some other AI is kicking back with a grin and a pile of cash.
 
I love the thing too. Seems it always yelling at me if I don't clean up pollution. Anyone else have that problem? Even if there is no new pollution?
 
@sesn: No, but I must admit I seldom play that long in modern times and if I have tons of spare workers. I did not have this problem on GOTM3, where I was in modern times (ok 1 turn to be exact, but I had pollution in that game). Do you have the latest version 2.7.2?

Btw, we are out in SGOTM3 too, not final, but we are very close to a conquest loss. Maybe we can snatch the spoon from your hands :)

Btw2, oh and I would be very happy if you could reserve a spot for me in sesn3, we have good fun with the vikings and naval invasions in sesn1, didn't we?
 
grs said:
@sesn: No, but I must admit I seldom play that long in modern times and if I have tons of spare workers. I did not have this problem on GOTM3, where I was in modern times (ok 1 turn to be exact, but I had pollution in that game). Do you have the latest version 2.7.2?

Btw, we are out in SGOTM3 too, not final, but we are very close to a conquest loss. Maybe we can snatch the spoon from your hands :)

Btw2, oh and I would be very happy if you could reserve a spot for me in sesn3, we have good fun with the vikings and naval invasions in sesn1, didn't we?

I'll have to check on the version, but I think it's the newest. To be fair, I have only had the pollution in one game using it thus far, and that was a mod....

THAT'S MY HARD EARNED SPOON!! YOU KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF IT!! :lol:

Consider the spot reserved. Yes I did have fun in the first one, which is why I finally started the second. To be honest, I was surprised to fill a six man roster with an off the wall game in less than two hours. :eek:
 
I was surprised to fill a six man roster with an off the wall game in less than two hours.
Interesting variant and interesting players, that fills it fast. But that is really not my timezone.

To get back to this game: I PMed For The Empire some hours ago. Judging from he previous posts times, he will probably read it in some hours.
 
lurker's comment:
Sorry gents (or ladies, I have trouble determining sex over the internet :confused: ) but someone else should bad apple, such as Kiech since he expressed interest as well. My big problem is I don't have C3C yet. I'll have to rectify that over this weekend...

1gpt to grs for the PM offer. That 1gpt originated from scoutsout, so you know that money is worth more than just 1 gold :D

EDIT: I apologize for the delay in response, but I was out all day and night. My car got a huge workout though...
 
ForTheEmpire said:
lurker's comment:
Sorry gents (or ladies, I have trouble determining sex over the internet :confused: ) but someone else should bad apple, such as Kiech since he expressed interest as well. My big problem is I don't have C3C yet. I'll have to rectify that over this weekend...

1gpt to grs for the PM offer. That 1gpt originated from scoutsout, so you know that money is worth more than just 1 gold :D

EDIT: I apologize for the delay in response, but I was out all day and night. My car got a huge workout though...
Blah, Blah, Blah,
Get $30, I thought you liked this game. Mind you this is in jest because I am hammered and you are not face to face with me. Get serious about this, because Civ 4 is coming. Sid Meier does not F around and there will be a day to be the best at CIV life. Let's play CIV EMPIRE.
Just read this and had a feeling to chime in.
 
ForTheEmpire said:
lurker's comment:
Sorry gents (or ladies, I have trouble determining sex over the internet :confused: ) but someone else should bad apple, such as Kiech since he expressed interest as well. My big problem is I don't have C3C yet. I'll have to rectify that over this weekend...

1gpt to grs for the PM offer. That 1gpt originated from scoutsout, so you know that money is worth more than just 1 gold :D

EDIT: I apologize for the delay in response, but I was out all day and night. My car got a huge workout though...
Blah, Blah, Blah,
Get $30, I thought you liked this game. Mind you this is in jest because I am hammered and you are not face to face with me. Get serious about this, because Civ 4 is coming. Sid Meier does not F around and there will be a day to be the best at CIV life. Let's play CIV EMPIRE.
Just read this and had a feeling to chime in.
 
If you F up my FP we have now provided twice there will be a comuppance. There may be a bad apple in this game but there has never been a tree that produced twin FP kills. I'm dying just thinking about the damage. I was aiming to mininimize anything at the end.
All right. let's see what you have up your sleeve. Dammit! I'm starting to hate this game. Where the F is Loco to ***** at.
 
:lol:

I'm wondering if Barb is still up from last night, or if he's getting an early start on today. :hmm:

@Aggie - That's kind of disappointing, I would have thought you could be more creative than that... :p
 
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