I don't agree with them but....

Well, this is a provable fact, whether or not it happened. I'm pretty sure there's no proof this happened, and besides, this is an opinionated issue. So, no correlation.

Nobody's saying that there is or is not any proof he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. What we are saying is that it's very interesting that Glenn Beck hasn't denied these rumors, when it would be very easy for him to do so. Don't you think that looks suspicious?
 
You know what else looks suspicious? Rather than answering the question, Glenn Beck and his cronies forcibly took down the website asking the question. Now, I don't know that he did rape and murder a young girl in 1990, but what I do know is that he has never denied it, and never provided any proof that he hasn't.
 
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The Koran says that Muslims are to kill Christians and infidels. Also, Saddam Hussein said at one point if he had nukes he would use them against the United States. That's Muslim holy war, they fight against westerners with everything they have. They need to be dealt with.

As a Muslim and a student of international affairs, I take extreme offense to this. The Qur'an says no such thing. It certainly doesn't say that about Christians; Christians and Jews are People of the Book and not infidels in the slightest. In the society prescribed by the Prophet, Christians and Jews are to be protected and their religious freedom guaranteed. Granted, there are passages of the Qur'an that might give you the wrong idea. However, Islamic scholars are very divided about what those passages are supposed to mean, as they were revealed during the Muslims' war against the pagan Quraish tribe of Mecca (who were trying to exterminate the Muslims at the time). "Holy war" is a very limited concept in both in orthodox Sunni and orthodox Shia Islam; it may only be waged defensively, in direct response to a physical attack on Muslim lands. Once the invaders are kicked out, the war theoretically should end; however, rulers have historically abused the rules to their advantage.

Newer conceptions of holy war in Islam exist, but they are accepted only by certain movements on the radical fringes of Islamism. Furthermore, the peak acceptance of aggressive holy war in Islam occurred between about 1955 and 1990; since then, most people who once held to an aggressive view of holy war (the lesser jihad) got tired of it, and changed gears to more conventional political action (protests, elections, etc.).

Additionally, Saddam Hussein was not a very committed Muslim. He placed Arab identity ahead of Muslim identity; his regime was eminently secular. Baghdad in the '70s and '80s was a very Westernized place (rather like Tehran in the '60s and '70s), with bars at every corner and not a single headscarf in sight. On the occasions that Saddam used Islamic rhetoric, he usually directed it against the Shiite Iranians (whom he fought for eight years, please recall) until late in his reign, when he started directing it at the West in a last-ditch effort to stay in power (it didn't work). Beyond that, Saddam=/=Iran. Saddam was a madman. It might be fair to say that Ahmedinejad is crazy, too, but he wouldn't have his finger on the nuclear trigger. That would be Supreme Leader Khamenei, a supremely rational thinker.

Iran's foreign policy has thus far proven to be very rational, almost ridiculously so. Whenever Ahmedinejad or somebody else goes on a rant about the West, you can be sure that what they're actually doing is trying to shore up support back home. Iranians are an incredibly proud people, and don't like being anybody's :):):):):). They remember when the CIA overthrew the democratically-elected Prime Minister [wiki]Mohammad Mosaddegh[/wiki] in 1953. The Iranian Revolution ('79) was a delayed reaction to that; Iranians overthrew the Shah, who was an American puppet, and put in a regime that would not be anybody's puppet.

Iran is building nukes because it wants to show it isn't under anyone's control. One of the few things that the Iranian government and the protesters out on the street (you know, the ones in green calling for democracy and getting slaughtered by the police) agree on whole-heartedly is that Iran deserves the right to a nuke. Strategically, Iran could use a nuke for several reasons. First, it balances out Israel (which has about 200 bombs), which is the other major regional player (besides Turkey, which mostly likes to stay out of things). Second, it's a bargaining chip; there's so much that Iran wants out of the West that it probably could pull if it developed the capacity to build the Bomb. The folks in Tehran are playing a long game: in the long run, they want to be the local Big Dogs in the Persian Gulf. It is quite possible we could do that if we wrangle things properly.

Attacking Iran--in any way, shape or form--is a mistake. A conventional attack would simply rally Iranians behind the government (remember that pride thing?) and a nuclear attack would be overkill and rally Iranians behind their government (or, if that government were completely destroyed, rally them all against the United States).
 
Hah, you have no idea about anything, what so ever Dominion, you are the poster child of American ignorance. Muslims, as far as i know, can only go to holy war or Jihad(?) if a RELIGIOUS leader gives the orders, not a civic or governmental leader.

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Anyone else starting to find this a serious nuisance to the board? As in literally ignore these threads from now on?
 
I agree with you, it is disturbing.
 
I've faithfully reported almost every single thread he's made as spam :)

Now, anyways, I believe he is just a troll.

But, Domination3000, why do you care whether we use "conventional weapons" instead of nukes. You said:

I think we should just use conventional bombs and missiles and put them in the dust, threat stopped.

If we are putting them in the dust, why do you care if it was a nuke or a conventional bomb?

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As a Muslim and a student of international affairs, I take extreme offense to this. The Qur'an says no such thing. It certainly doesn't say that about Christians; Christians and Jews are People of the Book and not infidels in the slightest. In the society prescribed by the Prophet, Christians and Jews are to be protected and their religious freedom guaranteed. Granted, there are passages of the Qur'an that might give you the wrong idea. However, Islamic scholars are very divided about what those passages are supposed to mean, as they were revealed during the Muslims' war against the pagan Quraish tribe of Mecca (who were trying to exterminate the Muslims at the time). "Holy war" is a very limited concept in both in orthodox Sunni and orthodox Shia Islam; it may only be waged defensively, in direct response to a physical attack on Muslim lands. Once the invaders are kicked out, the war theoretically should end; however, rulers have historically abused the rules to their advantage.

Newer conceptions of holy war in Islam exist, but they are accepted only by certain movements on the radical fringes of Islamism. Furthermore, the peak acceptance of aggressive holy war in Islam occurred between about 1955 and 1990; since then, most people who once held to an aggressive view of holy war (the lesser jihad) got tired of it, and changed gears to more conventional political action (protests, elections, etc.).

Additionally, Saddam Hussein was not a very committed Muslim. He placed Arab identity ahead of Muslim identity; his regime was eminently secular. Baghdad in the '70s and '80s was a very Westernized place (rather like Tehran in the '60s and '70s), with bars at every corner and not a single headscarf in sight. On the occasions that Saddam used Islamic rhetoric, he usually directed it against the Shiite Iranians (whom he fought for eight years, please recall) until late in his reign, when he started directing it at the West in a last-ditch effort to stay in power (it didn't work). Beyond that, Saddam=/=Iran. Saddam was a madman. It might be fair to say that Ahmedinejad is crazy, too, but he wouldn't have his finger on the nuclear trigger. That would be Supreme Leader Khamenei, a supremely rational thinker.

Iran's foreign policy has thus far proven to be very rational, almost ridiculously so. Whenever Ahmedinejad or somebody else goes on a rant about the West, you can be sure that what they're actually doing is trying to shore up support back home. Iranians are an incredibly proud people, and don't like being anybody's :):):):):). They remember when the CIA overthrew the democratically-elected Prime Minister [wiki]Mohammad Mosaddegh[/wiki] in 1953. The Iranian Revolution ('79) was a delayed reaction to that; Iranians overthrew the Shah, who was an American puppet, and put in a regime that would not be anybody's puppet.

Iran is building nukes because it wants to show it isn't under anyone's control. One of the few things that the Iranian government and the protesters out on the street (you know, the ones in green calling for democracy and getting slaughtered by the police) agree on whole-heartedly is that Iran deserves the right to a nuke. Strategically, Iran could use a nuke for several reasons. First, it balances out Israel (which has about 200 bombs), which is the other major regional player (besides Turkey, which mostly likes to stay out of things). Second, it's a bargaining chip; there's so much that Iran wants out of the West that it probably could pull if it developed the capacity to build the Bomb. The folks in Tehran are playing a long game: in the long run, they want to be the local Big Dogs in the Persian Gulf. It is quite possible we could do that if we wrangle things properly.

Attacking Iran--in any way, shape or form--is a mistake. A conventional attack would simply rally Iranians behind the government (remember that pride thing?) and a nuclear attack would be overkill and rally Iranians behind their government (or, if that government were completely destroyed, rally them all against the United States).

I am sorry I offended you, but I will say I know the majority of Muslims do not believe in this, but I am fairly certain there's something in the Koran that the Terrorists at least think they are following by attacking us.

Can you explain something though, according to your religion, how are we not infidels if we follow the "Wrong religion." Doesn't Islam teach that all non-Muslims are going to hell (I will not be offended by the same answer, Christians teach the same thing about non-Christians.)

Anyway, if this is true, why do they attack us so faithfully?

I've faithfully reported almost every single thread he's made as spam :)

Now, anyways, I believe he is just a troll.

But, Domination3000, why do you care whether we use "conventional weapons" instead of nukes. You said:



If we are putting them in the dust, why do you care if it was a nuke or a conventional bomb?

I'm not a troll first of all. Second of all, if we start bombing, maybe they'll surrender before they're completely destroyed, the people will get a republican government, and there will be no fear of Iran trying to nuke us.

To Useless: Considering you called me Dominion, neither do you. I am Domination. Thank you.

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Because a typo is the same as holding geninuely backwards views
 
I am sorry I offended you, but I will say I know the majority of Muslims do not believe in this, but I am fairly certain there's something in the Koran that the Terrorists at least think they are following by attacking us.

Can you explain something though, according to your religion, how are we not infidels if we follow the "Wrong religion." Doesn't Islam teach that all non-Muslims are going to hell (I will not be offended by the same answer, Christians teach the same thing about non-Christians.)

Anyway, if this is true, why do they attack us so faithfully?

The passage you are looking for is the one on violence. The Koran states explicitly that you are never to attack ANYONE unless attacked first. Bin Laden cites this passage as justification for his attacks in that the US is attacking the Muslim world culturally, and he is merely defending himself.

Most people don't believe this. Don't generalize an entire people based on the attacks of a small minority, or I might do the same with Christians and the OKC bombing. ;)
 
Because a typo is the same as holding geninuely backwards views

Nope, a typo is a typo.

In reality, that wasn't nice, but I'm also tired of being called a troll and a fascist. Between the two I could count to fifty in the past couple of days.

Anyway, I am very interested into what Lockesdonkey has to say in reply to my question, so carry on.
 
stop acting like one then and get some logic

Reported.

The passage you are looking for is the one on violence. The Koran states explicitly that you are never to attack ANYONE unless attacked first. Bin Laden cites this passage as justification for his attacks in that the US is attacking the Muslim world culturally, and he is merely defending himself.

Most people don't believe this. Don't generalize an entire people based on the attacks of a small minority, or I might do the same with Christians and the OKC bombing. ;)

Was Mcveigh a Christian? I doubt he was a genuine one.

I never said "All Muslims are terrorists," I said, "The Muslim Koran says to." There is a difference, whether I'm right or not, there is still a difference.
 
You're certainly not a facist. I'll make you a promise: when people accuse you of facism, I'll report those posts too.

Re Lockesdonkey/Domination dynamic:

Muslims don't attack that faithfully. But, the U.S. doesn't really have a good image.....the Israel situation is bad, and what do you think Muslims will think of the U.S. when we do crap like draw muhammad day? The U.S. doesn't show respect for Muslims, so they don't respect us.

With the US having a piss poor image, it doesn't take much to radicalize the 16-30 year old guys who have a dislike for the U.S., are Muslim, and probably have some cousin or uncle or some relative that was hurt by the U.S. or the West.

edit: it does matter if there you are right or not. If you say the koran suggests Muslims should kill Christians, you basically are calling Muslims terrorists.
 
I am sorry I offended you, but I will say I know the majority of Muslims do not believe in this, but I am fairly certain there's something in the Koran that the Terrorists at least think they are following by attacking us.

Can you explain something though, according to your religion, how are we not infidels if we follow the "Wrong religion." Doesn't Islam teach that all non-Muslims are going to hell (I will not be offended by the same answer, Christians teach the same thing about non-Christians.)

Anyway, if this is true, why do they attack us so faithfully?



I'm not a troll first of all. Second of all, if we start bombing, maybe they'll surrender before they're completely destroyed, the people will get a republican government, and there will be no fear of Iran trying to nuke us.

To Useless: Considering you called me Dominion, neither do you. I am Domination. Thank you.

How can you say the majority of Muslims do not believe that? Do you even talk to any Muslims, please stop getting brainwashed by fox.
I don't know what church you attend but mine didn't teach you'd be going to hell if you're not Christian. Then again religion is always open to interpretation.

You do realise people use to use the bible to completely justify Africans being treated as being sub-human, and their slaves. Not to mention all the religious crusades, stoning of gays, witches, pretty much everyone.

Regarding your second point.
Yes lets start bombing them to create a power vacuum, destabilize the middle east even further, and throw the people of Iran into the hands of nationalist and religious zealots.
 
You're certainly not a facist. I'll make you a promise: when people accuse you of facism, I'll report those posts too.

Re Lockesdonkey/Domination dynamic:

Muslims don't attack that faithfully. But, the U.S. doesn't really have a good image.....the Israel situation is bad, and what do you think Muslims will think of the U.S. when we do crap like draw muhammad day? The U.S. doesn't show respect for Muslims, so they don't respect us.

With the US having a piss poor image, it doesn't take much to radicalize the 16-30 year old guys who have a dislike for the U.S., are Muslim, and probably have some cousin or uncle or some relative that was hurt by the U.S. or the West.

edit: it does matter if there you are right or not. If you say the koran suggests Muslims should kill Christians, you basically are calling Muslims terrorists.

Please do report those posts, and thank you for realizing I'm not a fascist.

Anyway, I genuinely believed that was what the Koran said. I still haven't read it, but considering the Koran, as far as I'm concerned, was not inspired, I would not be surprised to see it contradict itself. Of course, it could've been a misinterpreted passage, but its kinda irrelevant, considering that if it is not the Holy Book any interpretation is wrong.

Anyway, not all Muslims of terrorists of course. I support moderate Muslims having the same freedom of religion as anyone else in this country. I, however, think the extremist terrorists should be executed as soon as found guilty.

How can you say the majority of Muslims do not believe that? Do you even talk to any Muslims, please stop getting brainwashed by fox.
I don't know what church you attend but mine didn't teach you'd be going to hell if you're not Christian. Then again religion is always open to interpretation.

You do realise people use to use the bible to completely justify Africans being treated as being sub-human, and their slaves. Not to mention all the religious crusades, stoning of gays, witches, pretty much everyone.

Regarding your second point.
Yes lets start bombing them to create a power vacuum, destabilize the middle east even further, and throw the people of Iran into the hands of nationalist and religious zealots.

I don't believe the majority believe that, and I'm sure most don't. Also, that is what the Bible teaches. Revelation 20:15 (New International Version)

If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

That's pretty much what its saying. It's a hard truth, but it is the truth.

Also, the thing about slavery, it was more like working to pay off a debt: Indentured servitude. As for the gays thing that was the law in ancient Israel, it was a theocracy, and in a theocracy that's what you'd do. However, I don't support the US government doing anything like this.
 
so that makes it acceptable? deplorable
 
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