"I have done it" vs "I've been had done it"

[warpus]

I started this thread wanting to see if people understood the second as the same as the first or if there was a nuanced connotation that give a more specific meaning—as it does.

In my opinion the second sentence doesn't have any meaning at all. At least as far as I understand various dialects of English and slang thereof. Which admittedly is limited, if we're considering all of the different forms of English spoken around the world. That's why I called it "gibberish", which also admittedly might have been better termed as.. hmm.. non-sensical collection of words that mean things on their own and even in groups, but as a whole mean nothing. (to me) while I also have to admit that I can take stabs at guessing what it means..

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm unfamiliar with this usage too Hygro. I'm old enough to chafe some at new permutations of the language, but I still fancy myself able to suck that up and incorporate without too much pain(actually, I think I chafe less as I get older, now that I think about it). Language being a breathing thing, yadda yadda.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Do these two idioms about having done something mean anything different, from one another, to you?

"I have done it." Comes to mind
When the task is over, and I find
Now I can check it off my list;
"I've been had done it." Since you insist,
Is nothing more that jumbled words,
Upon the page, five nasty turds.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I think, Hygro that you are just interested in be/been. You have given "had done it " and "have done it " as a kind of grammatical X-variable : I [past tense verb] and I been [past tense verb]. But you've asked it as though you are interested in the phrase "I been had done it, " that sequence of 5 words. And none of us have heard anyone say *that.*

 

[Sommerswerd]

Not "Been had done" but "Been done" is a slang variation on "already did" and it is used to emphatically assert "Of course I've already done that!" Or "Oh please, I did that a loooong time ago!"

I think the "correct" way of saying the second sentence (and by correct I mean still wrong but actually used) is "I been done that" or "dat" or "nat" as in "I been dun dat" or "I been dun'nat"

A couple of examples in conversation...

Hank - "Hey Buddy y'all goin ta git sum of dat pie Ms. Shirley made?"
Buddy - "Shoot I beeeen dun dat yestaday?"

Hank - "Hey Buddy you fix my truck yet?"
Buddy- "Man you know I been dun'nat!"

 

[Hygro]

Be/been is more common but the had is used for further emphasis.... this can't possibly be regional...

 

[Gori the Grey]

Give a YouTube link to someone using the phrase. I'm dying to try to answer your question. I love stuff like this. When I'm not working from a phone I'll give a similar case.

 

[Narz]

1st makes sense, 2nd sounds like some weird redneck gibberish. "I've been done told you Billy-Bob".

Seriously how the hell is that even translated? Is this a puzzle? If so I think the answer is add a period after had (or better yet, an exclamation mark) : "I've been had! (yes I've) Done it!"

Even there, usually you don't think of being had as something you've done but thats been done to you. Still, its the only correct solution to this odd puzzle I can think of.

 

[Narz]

What I did not expect was how so many of you said it was gibberish (it's not) or didn't understand it (all you non-Americans get a pass).

Surely you been done had have be jesting?

Not only do lots of people, myself included, employ English as introduced by this thread, but you see it on TV and in movies so it shouldn't be new

Admittedly I don't watch much TV but please show me an instance of someone saying "I've been had done it" (Youtube is fine).

 

[Mise]

I 3rd the "youtube pls" request - I get the feeling that the meaning is conveyed given the context, but not enough context is given here for me to draw out a meaning. Maybe if I actually saw it in a clip, saw what mannerisms were being used by the speaker, saw the preceding scene and narrative, I'd be able to figure out what this thread is all about.

I don't doubt that I use these sorts of phrases in every day speech, entirely subconsciously. But the fact that it is so subconscious - so natural - is precisely what's making it difficult for us to understand it, when we're asked to analyse it in text, outside of that natural speech. I surely need to see it actually happening for me to understand it.

 

[azzaman333]

I can't even figure out what the latter means, let alone trying to compare it to the former. Normally when I hear/see "I've been had" it means you've been tricked, but adding "done it" to the end of such a statement does not make sense.

 

[BenitoChavez]

I'm going to perform an experiment. I'm going to try to use this phrase in real life and see how people respond. For science!

Well I've only been able to use it twice so far, once with a coworker and once with my father. It is admittedly a very limited sample size but I found it difficult to use because 1) its not a part of my everyday vocabulary I needed to remember to use it and 2) it needs to be used in the right situation.

In this little experiment I used "I've been had done it" as a replacement for "I've done it". When talking to my father, he couldn't understand and I had to use "I've done it" to get my meaning across. My coworker seemed to understand but she did pause and give me a strange look

 

[warpus]

I can't even figure out what the latter means, let alone trying to compare it to the former. Normally when I hear/see "I've been had" it means you've been tricked, but adding "done it" to the end of such a statement does not make sense.

That's the meaning my brain jumps to right away too.. but then there's more words afterwards that throw that meaning out of the window, it seems.

 

[Hygro]

Why would I have youtube URLs stored for an expression I've heard over the years in person?

Generally the first "'ve" is silent or rolled into the b, or doesn't exist. The "been had" comes together with emphasis, more emphasis on the word "been", the "done it" is not emphasized but included because it's what the topic is about.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Been+Had definitions 1 & 3 are congruent. Obviously not as popular as a solo "been", which you can read about here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=been
(links NSFpeopleoffendedbyswearing)

 

[Mise]

Well you said that you see it on TV and in movies, so maybe you had an example of that. Honestly, I'm not aware of ever having heard that phrase or any phrase like it. And if I were to search youtube for it, there's no way that I can know whether the phrase I'm hearing is the one that you're talking about. So.... in the words of the great Borachio, "nvm".

 

[Hygro]

"Been had" is not dissimilar to "done had" if that's a helpful frame of reference?

 

[warpus]

I think a youtube video would help because we could hear the words being said - and where the emphasis falls and how each part is enunciated. Cause yeah, "I've been had" has always meant "Someone screwed me over" to me, so that's all I see at first.. but then the other 2 words don't jive with that, but that's all I see.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I'm going to just make up a term to explain this because its slang (so I don't know any proper term to describe it).

"had done" is "super"-past-tense for the already past-tense term "done". "been had done" is "extra-super"-past-tense for the already past tense term "done". In other words you are placing double the emphasis on the fact that something has already occurred.

A common slang phrase that springs to mind is "Basically, what had happened was..." which is a superfluous slang phrase that people add to the beginning of a sentence when describing an event. Example: "I went to the store" becomes "Basically, what had happened was I went to the store." Usually the person using the phrase is trying to sound intelligent by adding superfluous words and (in their mind) fancy or formal sounding tenses to the story.

 

[warpus]

But how does the "I have" right before it make sense then? There's another verb in there that's present tense.

Parsing this is a pain in the butt.

 

[Sommerswerd]

But how does the "I have" right before it make sense then? There's another verb in there that's present tense.

Parsing this is a pain in the butt.

Like this:

1. I have done (the dishes). - I finished washing the dishes.

2. I BEEN HAD done (the dishes). - I finished washing the dishes a long time ago, so long ago in fact, that it is a little bit silly for you to be asking me about it, because you should have noticed by now that they were done on your own without asking me. I don't think "have" or I've would be used. Instead it would just be "I been had" with emphasis placed on been... "I Beeeennnn had done"

A visual - A person saying "been had done" might preface the statement by sucking their teeth to make the dismissive "tsk" sound along with waving their hand downward in a dismissive gesture.

Hopefully that helps